Yet another voice thread

I'm just curious. Seems the Lindens are hell bent on giving us voice when; based on poles and opinions in the forum, 3/4 either don't want or don't intend to use it. So just why are the Lindens so intent on giving it to us? They seem so preoccupied with this that they are neglecting other problems, serious problems, that have been going on for weeks; and a few even longer.
So whom wanted voice, and why do they seem to have more "pull" with the Lindens then 3/4 of the people that post to the forum? And how/where are they making their wants know to the Lindens? Because the Lindens seem to be paying more attention to them then the SL residents that post to this forum. I'd like to be able to post to a forum where a linden might actually read the post.

It would be nice for them to post what they are working on on their blog. It just seems to me all they have been working on is voice, when we residents have had to put up with one bug after another; and one that can cause you to lose very expensive items when bought.

I don't know about anyone else but for me I have had more problems that last 2 weeks then the previous 10. I didn't have near as many problems before the introduction of voice to the main grid, as I do now. I've read quite a few posts that say voice isn't the cause of the problem, but if I drop a hammer, and something hits my foot, I have to assume it was the hammer. As in I didn't have these problems till the intro of voice to the main grid.

So how about a "fix the bugs" rally someplace where it will get the attention of the Lindens?

It is patently obvious that LL do not care what Residents think or want. They don't listen to us, instead forging ahead with things that few people want, and as you said, ignoring the chronic bugs that have been in world for weeks, if not months.

Roll on an alternative world to SL. Someone is bound to create one soon.

My opinion is that Voice in the long term is aimed at Corporate Companies, that is where the serious money will be for LL.

Not from our measy 9.95 membership and tier but corporate sign ups...

So possibly that is why we the residents don't have such say or look in when it comes to the running of SL.

Another voice thread? I'm speechless.

LOL , can I quote you on that?

Oh NM - you didnt say anything.


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The ship has sailed - Voice is here. Contracts are signed all that jazz.

We may as well get used to that.

Hopefully some awareness spreads so less people are jerks about trying to get others to voice with them.

I guess some people dont see:

"Cmon Cmon Cmon- voice! why not , what are you hiding?, Cmon Cmon. Y not? You some sort of stuck up bitch?"

as rude.


I dont like the Hypocracy of LL claiming we asked for it either - but they seem to have a habit of claiming we asked for stuff that we didnt. Like the Broadly Offensive 'turn in your neighbor' post.

I did not want voice.

But I tried it today. I am really liking it. Even if they talked mostly French.

There were a few bugs today with it, but overall, I give it a B+

Sorry if this is not what you want to hear, no pun intended.

They may well be paying several hundred thousand US$ for their in-world presence, but nearly all of that money goes to the high-profile content creators (ESC, Weber Studio, Millions of Us, etc) with LL only seeing a pitance of the total budget ($295/month for the sim).

LL does heavily back and promote the educational aspect of SL though, to the point of offering them everything at a loss ($150/month for a sim and voice for free) so that's where you can likely attribute voice to.

HA! Speaking as an IT professional who works for a major Corporation, most Corporations would laugh at the idea of using SL for anything resembling serious business. To say that Corporations would be attracted by Voice in SL is as misguided and wrong as saying a kid with a tin can and string telephone can compete with the local phone company. Corps have communication tools that make SL look just that bad.

SL lacks the security or the capacity to do anything that would attract a serious Corporation. The only thing SL can offer to Corp Clients is a bit of flash and advertizing gee-whiz, for showing that they are 'involved' in something that is 'cutting edge'.

Yes...it's me. You know I have a few things to say...

1) The opinions and polls of this forum are NOT a valid representation of the average in-world citizen. They are so different, you can't even pretend to lump them together.

2) Voice isn't something that has come to SL and no other application. VOIP (voice over internet protocol) is a pretty recent technology that is saturating ALL aspects of gaming--PC based and console. The reason is was created and implemented was for the very reason your confused about: demand. Gamers (I’ve been doing it for several decades) have been begging for this kind of technology longer than I can remember—regardless of genre: FPS, RPG, RTS, and virtual worlds. And it’s here now in SL, because the demand, and because the technology is available. Voice is the natural evolution of digital content creation and sharing.

3) You do not see the majority of people using voice yet for many reasons—it could be that they don’t even know about it. It could be that they are against it. It could be they are shy. It could be that there hasn’t been enough time for it to catch on. That’s the main reason in my opinion—it’s super new, and it hasn’t had time to catch on. As soon as the technology is firmly and smoothly integrated into SL for a decent stint…lot’s more people will be using it.

4) The Lindens brought us the SL we love and hate. Overall, I think they did a pretty magnificent job of creating a fun, interesting virtual world—heck, a few million people seem to agree with this. My point being…let’s trust them. They know what they are doing, and if for some reason you just can’t live with their decisions, you can find an alternative means of virtual pleasure—there are many out there.

I can’t stress points 1 and 2 enough…they are crucial elements to understanding this forum and its tie to the community, and the reason voice is here today.

I wish people would stop with all the voice threads, just so I wouldnt have to read this same exact comment over and over and over and over again. Some of the other people are nearly as bad but at least they use different words half the time.

Money and corporate advertisers. It's all about marketing as far as I can tell. Whether or not one agrees with LL's perspective, what is true is that SL is run by a business, and Phillip Rosedale's comments seem to indicate that LL are viewing SL as a marketing network. Draw your own conclusions; here's what he is quoted as saying on the subject:



http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=4913

Should I get a thesaurus out to please you? My point for NEW POSTERS will remain the same, until the questions change.

Don't be a jerk, just to be a jerk. There is nothing wrong with my comments. No one is forcing your eyelids open to re-read things you've already read. When a movie comes on you've already seen, do you watch it and then complain to HBO about the rerun?

But the other thread where you said the exact same thing isnt even on page #2 yet.

As far as HBO goes I say, "Wow, this again! Why do I pay so much for this stupid channel when they show the same thing over and over and over again".

Look, people, don't flame ME because some one is asking a set of questions that are on another thread...that's not my fault. Why don't you flame them? Oh ya, because I'm the punching bag of this forum...I forgot.

Hey...I like HBO. Why don't you try another channel then?

You know what I just realized? If you guys can't disagree and insult me on the basis of my viewpoints, you insult me because I'm repeating myself...I can't win here.

*sigh*

I was okay with the rest of your post. Just when I got to the "VOIP .." stuff I was compelled to find the remote control the change the channel.

How bout this instead of #2-

"New Voice - not the same as the old voice. The new voice is better than the old voice, thats why all the computer and gaming geeks love it! Second Life couldnt miss out on this new computer geekiness! If they did they would lose their membership in the pocket protector of the month club."

Change things up a little, thats all. And if the Thesaurus offer is still on, Ill have mine with ketchup.

Michael…it’s not a question of winning or losing. People have their views and some refuse to be open minded. Over the past 5 months I’ve seen many people who were sure that voice would be the end of SL become objective, and though they still may not like using voice, and will not use voice they agree that it is a choice.

To all…step away from the forms and take a look at just what all LL is working on.
https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sldev

Who wrote that "New Voice..." post...doesn't seem like my writing. *shugs* I always try to reword what I write. I take pride in my writing, and wouldn't want to bore anybody...however, if there are certain key points that I must get across, a specific dialog must take place.

If you guys are finding a problem with the WAY I write now...there is a serious bias going 'round.

The point being that, more often than not, every time you open your browser and post you are proved wrong and evidence or credible counter points are provided to dispute your viewpoints. Yet you self-servingly chose to ignore those counter points and seconds later, in another thread, post the same shallow viewpoints over and over again.

I don't know, perhaps you think that some people havent read your viewpoints effectively disputed in the other threads and therefore hope that you can convince new readers by posting the same shallow viewpoints. Not stopping and considering for a second that maybe, just maybe, the same readers may be reading these new threads also and thinking ... "Gee, didn't this man just post this same thing in the other thread and read the following responses effectively disputing his point?"

Cut your losses and take her advice. Either change it up to effectively deal with these counter responses or come up with new ones please.

There is only one of me, and *checks* no not a guy. So I dont know who all you are talking about. I didnt have a problem with the way you wrote the first 10 times I read the exact same thing.

If you dont have ketchup, Maybe A1; its how thesaurus is done!

I keep seeing the SL voice feature being referred to as VoIP, which I suppose it is, at least technically (it's voice, and IP, so...). But does anyone know if there are any public details about the technical implementation? I'm specifically interested in whether, underneath, it's using SIP, or IAX, or H.323, or any other standard softphone / softPBX protocols--the implication being that perhaps some sort of gateway between SL and standard softphones (and the PSTN) might be planned or possible.

Also, does anyone know what if any encryption is used on the voice streams? It's a double-edged sword, really: if there's little or no encryption in some vulnerable part of the signal path, then speakers shouldn't assume content privacy; if it's strong encryption across the full path, it would be the ideal medium for terrorists, drug dealers, etc. unless the voice provider is supplying some sort of law-enforcement access (CALEA in US).

Ha ha ha! I'm proven wrong? Where? Most of what I debate here is opinion...there is no right or wrong.

However, you my friend have a shoe-lace hanging from your mouth.

I'd rather have a shoe lace hanging from my mouth than what you got stuck in yours.

(I mean a shoe. Cleanse your brains you perverts)

Where is your rationale now? That's what I thought...when the fit hits the shan, you insult like a grade-schooler. Ah...I love the truth of things.

Real Eyes, Realize, Real Lies.



If only you guys really knew me...knew how nice and generous I was. You have no idea...all you can do is push buttons, and act like know-it-all jerks.

It's a shame.

Lol. You love to sling insults but when they are slung back at you, you revert to this defensive "I am a good guy, get to know me" garbage.

You are sooo transparent. lol

Ok.