BEWARE OF SALES FOR [edited]

When u see this http://www.slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=200958
it's not mine well the skin is i am asking people out there to please give credit to designers do not buy from ppl who arent the original desingers unless its done legal like yea u can tell there are many wholesalers out there who are awesome i can tell you i get people who IM me asking for me to fix there item which i never sold to them, and they complain!
We need to stop theft by not supporting them i probably dont make much sense now just woke up to hear about this ad which just not even piss me off just like boy when will we ever get help for this ...i have even gone back to my other game solely because of help for designers dealing with theft .. any opinions?Ok i need to stop writing my batteries are dying on keyboard

Shy if i didn't make sense IM me lol

I've seen your skins in freebie boxes - they're very nice. Talk about adding insult to injury - someone takes your work and gives it away for free, and this guy reboxes them and sells them for $5,000! You may have a case for copyright infringement. I think by law SL has to take action on that if you file a DMCA complaint.

This thread will probably be locked as inappropriate for this forum - but sorry to hear that happened to you.

I agree, it's unfortunate but LL has stated time and again that they refuse to do anything to protect the clothing designers and content providers.


BTW: The one exception to the never resell someone else's work rule I think would probably be the used item section on Slexchange as long as you give credit to the creator since that's essentially what it's for.

You might want to take a look at this on SLBoutique too:

http://www.slboutique.com/index.php?p=buy&user_avatar_id=24122&nh=1

I'm a content creator myself, and I just hate having to make things either no-copy or no-trans, but this is (sadly) why you have to do that; because some people are untrustworthy...

I would say that they made a replica using a hijacked texture or used a permissions hack to swipe the skin. About the same time last summer, in a moment of weakness, Shyone put up both the Carmel-Shy and Shy4 in a vendor for 1L as a gift to SL. They were both Copy - No Transfer. I know because I got both. I deleted my Carmel because it was too dark for my taste, but the Shy4 was (and still is) so good that i still wear it (and you've seen me wearing it in the meditation room, GB).

edit:
The full name of the other skin Shyone gave away for 1L is "Shy-makeup-4" (aka Shy4)

That guy is saying some really nasty things about Shy over in the comments for that product in SL Exchange, in addition to defending his right to repackage and sell something he got for free for thousands of dollars.

That's an example of why I stay away from the third party websites. No accountability and your name can get dragged through the mud with no repercussions.

Contact Apotheosis Silverman for SLEx.

I'm in process of moving so cant log in unless im at my hubby's job quickly i'm not surprised if he says anything bad about me because anyone who knows how long i been here knows my skins and yes i gave them away when i found out the skins where out so i did contact ppl who had them and asked them to give me credit and sell them for 1L or free i know i can't do anything. I have worked long and hard so people who want to make a profit from me and then bad mouth me i have no time for that.

I just hope that people who buy this for that much get their money back yes i will put it back in my store free.

This whole incident is very troubling, as it seems to exist in a legal grey area, at least as far as SL is concerned. The content creator *should* have the right to retain whatever profits accrue from her product, and that person who has essentially diverted income from the designer should be stopped.

But it does not seem that there is an easy way for this to be accomplished, barring a RL legal action, which would be costly, fatiguing, and perhaps unsuccessful in the long run.

Still, this sort of thing has to be addressed, since I am sure that this will not be the last time that such a problem arises. My best wishes to the content creator, who must be feeling very bruised by all this. This is an anti-incentive to the creative artists who abound in SL....

And a round chorus of "boos" to the opportunistic "so and so" who appears to be blithely ripping the skins' creator off.

If you have the skins copyrighted you'd be able to sue him.

If you are the person who created my skins, I've been looking for you! Although I hate to think I'm wearing possibly stolen items.

Approximately my 3rd day (4 months ago) in SL I was given a folder with 16 skins by a friend, who said they were a freebie that she had picked up from somewhere. She couldn't remember where, or when she had gotten them.

The folder they came in says: Shy-CaramelleSkin(enjoy! from Moonglow)
The folder contained 16 skins named either Shy-CaramelleSkin#, or
Shy-CaramelleskinMAKEUP#. They are numbered 1 thru 16. My friends name is not Moonglow. I have no idea who Moonglow is, nor could I find a Moonglow who advertised skins for sale.

As I said I tried to find the creator of these skins, however the creator listed on the properties box says Creator: newbie_template. All the skins are no copy.

I would really like to know if you are the creator. I've been asked several times who created the skins and I would like to be able to say who it was, not to mention buying more of them!

I'm not sure but I think another shop also sells your caramelskin for 595L$. I'm not sure, because I was banned and ejected from the store with a ridiculous reason before I could have a better look.

I have a shape business, and the owner banned me immediately after I arrived, and later came to me and told me that I was banned because I'm a competitor... I didn't say a word, just stood there watching the skins and shapes, when suddenly I was out.

I told her about the skin (as a matter of fact I'm pretty sure that I also saw 2 other free skins, the one called "Real Skin dark make up Byantana Lumiere", and one called Tap free skin - nyc)

EDIT: A friend of mine went back and brought me a few pictures, so now I'm sure about Shy's Caramelskin, and Santana Lumiere's Real skin.

I'm also afraid that one of my shapes was stolen, as one of hers is pretty much the same as mine, and I sell full mod shapes...

Something has to be done about that...

EDIT: I removed the name, the chatlog and the link, as those are violating forum rules.

Ah, I was there just last night.

(Platinum)

Glad I bought zilch.

Thanks for you comments Pelthar.

I have been running the Platinum Group for a month now. In that time, I have established a successful business reselling items with permissions from the designers / creators. I have always bought all my stock in good faith by either paying a percentage of the sales to the designer / creator, buying the resale rights or buying a resale business package off SL Exchange. In the month I have been trading, I have not had a single complaint from a designer / creator that I have stolen their intellectual property, nor resold their items that they didnt want me to.

I also wish to clarify that I have never visited your shop, nor bought any of your items. Frankly though this is a matter for LL to investigate your transaction logs to prove the harrassment and greifing that you are causing me and my business.

I have great testimonials from all my customers and a very transparent business. In fact all my terms of business, stating the resell and pricing position are listed in my shop as well as a 100% refund policy for anyone who isnt happy with their purchase. That not withstanding I have only had one complaint from a customer in a month anyhow.

I have a successful business model that my customers and suppliers love. I have however taken on board the comments from the designer of the skin represented on this forum and have decided to withdraw the sale of this in compliance with her wishes. This skin was bought for resale in good faith and no harm was intended.

I will keep drawing my energies from all the happy customers that I have !

Rebecca Vacano x

So Rebecca, since you claim your business is legitimate and you have all these happy customers and business relationships, why on earth are you banning people from your store for no reason and threatening to contact the sim owner to try and stir up further action?

Of course you have every right to ban whoever you like from your land, for any reason or no reason at all if that's what rocks your boat, but just based on what's been posted here it seems like a particularly stupid and/or suspicious move so I'd be curious what you have to say on the subject.

You also seem to be alleging some kind of "griefing" activity that will somehow be supported by transaction logs. Now perhaps I'm missing something, but I can't imagine how buying and selling things (conducting transactions) can constitute griefing - especially on the part of someone who was banned from your land inside of 3 minutes on their first visit! So, what are you on about?

Just curious, and wondering if there is more to the story.

Thanks Anti,

I am not going to get into the mechanics of this on the forum as in world LL processes and RL legal processes will be prejudiced, by further comment.

However, an untrue allegation by Pelthar Beatie was made on this post about me stealing intellectual property, which included her own products (shapes). Therefore it figures for me to escalate and resolve those untrue allegations with the due processes available.

It is also a griefing offence to publish chat logs on the forum, of which that person has violated her SL terms and conditions.

Have a great day. Reb x

Im surprized the orginal creators have given you permission to resell their items.

What designers are these?

They mention a skin by Santana and I have talked with her about the freebies going around that were taken from her skin sales. She did not strike me as the type to go complete 180 on this.

She was very much against it when I spoke to her.

Munchflower and Cherrybomb were against it as well, though they knew how futile it was stopping this sort of thing

I dont suppose I could go to your store and look - since Im a shapes seller.

If you have permissions from the orginal creators to sell these items , should be easy enough for you to present doccumentation to that effect.

The fact that you were removed from Richland Center and Sede di Marte as a tenant was sufficient for me.

I have to admit that I violated TOS with posting the chatlog and the name of the business. I didn't know that it's against TOS, but I know that now, so I'll edit that post and remove the chatlog and the names, and I apologize for that. If Linden Labs wants to give me a warning or suspension because of that, than be it.

I also said that "I'm also afraid that one of my shapes was stolen..."

Being afraid of stg is not against TOS, and you made me cagey with that banning. I might have overreacted, but you didn't do anything to settle the situation. If you didn't do anything wrong, I apologize for that, too. I was always open to discuss anything, but you only want to sue me wtihout discussing anything...

"I have however taken on board the comments from the designer of the skin represented on this forum and have decided to withdraw the sale of this in compliance with her wishes. This skin was bought for resale in good faith and no harm was intended."

If you bought the skin for resale, you should take actions against the one who sold it to you, as he was defiantely violating copyrights too. Btw, the skin is still in your shop.

And my name is Pelthar Beaton, not Beatie.

Take care

Obviously this is untrue as has been proved in this thread.

Buying a resale package from someone other than the creator doesn't give you permission from the creator.

The entire idea of a resale business is shady. I know of not one single creator that would give permission to others to sell their hard work. Not because we are "greedy" like some people imply but for the simple fact that the only one who should profit off our creations should be us. Why? Because we are the ones that did the all the work to create it in the first place, not to mention the work to learn how to create it.

This is the problem with all the news about people making money in SL. It seems there are a bunch of people who think they are entitled to a piece of the pie without actually learning how to make anything.

I repeat in the month that I have been trading, I have not had a single complaint from a designer or creator for anything that I have been selling. I run an extremely transparent business which any of the designers or creators of my resale items will tell you.

The owner of the skin in question on this thread is not named as the creator of the skin that I am selling and I am extremely careful about the resale packages bought off the SL Exchange for the reasons stated above.

In RL, the world is full of shops that resell items and there is no reason that there should not be a market for this in SL.

I am not going to comment on this situation any further, I have made my position extremely clear. I have not had any complaints of copywrite infringement / theft made to me by any of the creators / designers of my stock, nor had any complaints about this from actual customers. In fact designers contact me regularly to ask whether I can sell their products ! I also have a very transparent resale / pricing policy which is offered to all my customers as they teleport into my shop.

You dont have to be a designer to have a successful business in SL !

Reb x

I think what people are asking here is for the "extremely transparent business" to be shown.. and if so, there should be no question of proof. For the most part, this maybe resolved by LL... but it is the people that read forums/threads like this that will determin a full outcome.

If your business is fully transparent, I wish you great success with it...