Create Anything, Including Bigotry?

FD,

Are you not also being bigoted, throwing around the term "Homophobe" (the fear of sameness?) against those who do not approve of your life choices? The right of free association must also include the right to not associate, if it is to be of any importance. For what ever reason, these people choose not to associate with you because of your lifestyle, they have that right, just as you have the right to not associate with them.


Pretty simple, forced acceptence is mind control.

I don't get it ::cries::

Also I don't get why people take care of the sexual orientation of other people. It is private business, or at least it should be.

The promblem I had with situation was more that I made special effort being fellow newbie to help this person in spite of how horrible things are going on for me at time.
I was considerate and helpfull to this person, trying to show him basic tools and around when I really would rather take asprin and lay down.
I was short with him and those because I am human with feelings too and was in middle of dealing with several things at same time.
We all have those moments regardless of who we are that we think to ourselves in our sl and rl lives gee that person is annoying,etc.
I would never tell someone there jerk or homophobic blank de blank in my 1st life but there few people I have said that to them. Not that they were listening or cared.
Someone invades my little virtual space and acts like a jerk I am only human somedays I am just not going to be nice guy as long as I am not breaking the rules I don't have to like everyone.
I realize others have right to not like me, to judge other people, to be bigot for whatever reason they choose to be but why should it be my duty to "educate" them when they have no interest in changing?
I don't like people forcing certain believes down my throat I have that right to feel uncomfortable by them I have that right.
If that means I am the intolerant one because I don't want to pay 50 or more month on creating and learning to create content, or personal space to escape that type of stuff I have that right.
If someone was Christian they have right to be uncomfortable shopping or going to place that had images of resembling devil worshipping and satanism right?
Should they as good Christians have to stop that person from selling devil worship and satantic symbols, and educate them how bad this is even in SL?
No they don't have to they can go somewhere else until they stumble upon something else they can't tolerate for moral reasons.
Either way we all have right to our choices. It just interesting how we can create anything yet certain things follows even worlds like this.
It also just strange how the things we dislike the most about other human beings regardless if we live as hermit, are on sick beds, with only nurse to come change our linens that we can log in to second life and it still will sneak in. LOL
By the way I don't have a lifestyle I get up I sleep, I may eat or drink, I play SL, I do the same things as everyone else.
Where does the assumption that because I identify as such and such mean I have certain lifestyle? I never got that statement. Oh well I jsut stop helping people and intereacting with anyone then I don't have to worry about tolerating or being tolerate at all Just gotta figure out how to buy island and never leave it.

This has nothing to do with forced acceptance. You can hate homosexuality all you like... you just don't have the right to go around harassing people about it. Well, maybe you do even have that right, but it will get you in trouble. If you don't like it, just shut-the-F-up and leave... go somewhere where you can hang out with the other haters. You are free to do so.

Hedda, I thought Smith was addressing FD, the poster. He was indeed typing a smilie XD. My mistake .. my hobbitsy logic

.. and quite right - nobody's business but your own. Don't care if my friends are gay, lesbian, hetero, celebate*... I'm engaged and I'm spoken for!


* I love them all anyway

Hey FD - I think the full range of commentary has already been reached here so I'll keep it short and simple - someone said in this thread basically that folks "bring it with them".. That about sums it up. You'll stand against about the same odds fighting it in Second Life as you have in fighting it in the real world. I've been fortunate thus far in that even though it's spelled out in my profile, I've not had any negative encounters. I expect that eventually I will.

In this case though, sounds like you should just cut ties with this person altogether and move on along..

IM me in world and I'll introduce you to a couple communities you might be interested in.

zk

Ignore the idiots. Just as I bristle when people try to silence speech in RL, I wouldn't want it done here either. I'd rather the morons be exposed so we know who to avoid.

It sucks that this person took advantage of your help then decided to be a rude jerk about it, no matter whether it was his religion or what his problem was. There are polite ways to walk away from people for whatever reason. This abusive nonsense was uncalled for. You were harming none, he shouldn't have treated you rudely just because he didn't want to hang out with you any more. He should have just quietly gone and found other friends.

Remember the problem is his, not yours, and presumably he won't be bothering you any more. You took the high road, and the good you did will return to you someday. Let it go and move on to more important things. In the long run, it's better to just ignore these people and enjoy SL. As SL grows we are going to experience more and more of these growing pains. The best thing to do is just continue to do the right thing by the newbies you meet. Be a positive influence as much as you can. Whenever someone turns out to be a bad apple, just walk away politely. If someone else decides to act like an ass, let him, but don't join him. Certainly remove him from your friends list if you haven't already, so he won't know when you're online. If necessary, mute him and kick/ban him from your property, and let him go his merry way. He has to follow his own path, as long as he isn't hurting anyone except himself. Whatever his misguided opinions, he has the right to them. However if he or anyone else crosses the line and violates the TOS, it's important to make an abuse report about griefing. The Lindens are obviously scrambling to keep up. They're going to take it more seriously if they get a number of well-documented reports of specific abuses by the same person.

Personally, I haven't experienced any real, overt incidents of bigotry in SL, and I count myself fortunate for that. I wear a pentacle all the time, though, so I suspect that clues those with religious prejudices off that I am a Pagan and prevents a fight in the first place. I think wearing a rainbow necklace or some other indication of one's preference would be more likely to attract trouble than repel it, though. As a woman, I have been subjected to unwanted sexual advances out of the clear blue sky in SL as well as in FL. It's especially annoying when I'm obviously building on my own land and I clearly don't want to be bothered. I don't like to keep people out, but there's no other way I can enjoy my own land without constant harassment from customers of a certain nearby business. I am bisexual, but I'm married to a man in RL and monogamous, so I prefer to remain celebate in SL. Telling them that I'm married has always been enough. My sexuality has never become an issue.

I would prefer not to prevent object entry so that people could fly planes over my land, but whenever I allow it, I always come back to find my prims used up and my yard full of plywood junk. This stuff had to have been pushed there from other parcels since I don't allow object creation. Whether this is just vandals without a clue, or rejected would-be boyfriends, or people who don't like Pagans, I don't know. But I'm not spending hours to make my property look nice so that people can turn it into an eyesore when I'm off-line or out shopping or something. I wish there were a better solution.

Katie

Yup! Was it Mark Twain who said it's better to remain silent and be thought an idiot than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt?

..or Oscar Wilde? that guy was the bizz!

... but what kind of message does silence deliver??

if someone was just 'raised wrong', how will they become a better person if one does not engage them in the conversation?

(agreed though that their conversation came to an end pretty quick though; albeit yeah, a homophobe won't like being called a homophobe... well, they're a homophobe.)

i guess at my own point in life, i've had enough of that kinda b.s. myself. "i know who i sleep with. you're just guessin'. and i don't have any more time in my life for this kind of stupid low-brained stuff..."

that's certainly how i feel. but i know that saying it aloud will simply kill the conversation, not enlighten it.

would be nice to have a 'call-a-diplomat' for such occassions, lol.

If there is, can I have it? I get ever so tired of being branded all sorts of horrible things an attacked jes 'cuz I'm playin' a kid ( /me points to the locked ageplay thread further down ).

I tink it comes down to the same ting as real life. It is all about educating people. Some folks will be jerks no matter what, though, an some are more than a little immature (yes, the kid jes said it).

In the end, jes be the best "you" you can be - an the folks who have a problem? \You don't need them. Their world will shrink, while yours will expand.

Mari

I want that script, too

Anyway, FD, I'm certain that, in SL, for every person who's scared of you because you're gay, you'll find one hundred for whom it won't matter, and who will enjoy your company.

I have no problem calling a homophobe a twit - it's his views I'm criticising, not something he can't change.

Ideas and beliefs aren't sacred, even the most closely-held ones.

Anyone who tells you differently has an agenda.

I think it was once said, "Before governments change, the hearts of men must first change."

It's the only statement of truth in the right over bigotry. No government, or law can ever change it - people need to change from the inside. Like it or not, that's a fact~

Yeah, it's funny how many times I hear how 'insensitive' us right-wing christian types are. Maybe long in the past I suffered from 'ignorance' in regards to others, but now that I've come to know people - I don't harbor any ill-will against anyone. So now, if we wanna fix this - we ALL have to start with the person's reflection in that monitor...

There's a misconception with many too - between the Belief in God and religion.. Religion was a concept of man, and by design - flawed. Sorry, but I don't subscribe to doctrines that 'tell' me what to think of God and others.

Hope you didn't flame me for being a right-winger now - how tolerant would that be? It's a circle - any push at all, will perpetuate the cycle. One must be 100% on that, there's no 'grey area' with Bigotry, IMO. You hate any single person at all for race, creed, sexuality.... then you're as shallow as any Klansman has even been. Because - does it really matter if you hate Gays, Irish, AND Jews *or* just Gays?? (Insert whatever mix there - they all make the same amount of 'sense')

LOL, no. A Bigot is a Bigot. Not sure it matters *what* particular differances their small minds happen to take issue with, does it? If they are that shallow, you know - I suspect it might make a differance to them at least.. but what does that say about their mental capacity?

Funny that really - logically - the only way the problems can be solved is if each and every person makes a change within their own heart.

Now if that happens - things really would change. Such a simple, yet; unattainable answer to the problems in the world. Doesn't matter, I guess - I look at it this way - I'll do my part, plain and simple. If this world dies to hate, I don't want it's blood on my hands.

I, for one, am glad to be able to collaborate with such a diverse gathering as SL, I really do learn a lot - indeed..

I love being kid, sometimes I am cigar smoking asian baby.
I have no interest in anyway doing this in anything other then pg way.
It weird how some people think everything and every avatar is doing so to be sexual or is seeking sexual roleplay.
I have no interest in sex or sexual roleplay regarless of any world I live in.
I just want to create, help others, learn and make friends.
I strive to be helpful and kind but I am only avatar who is run by human who sometimes has real emotions and flaws just like everyone else here.
Thank you Raindrop and all who left kind words I truly appreciate it.
Someone in world was talking to me about this story about the pink monkey syndrome.
They painted one monkey pink and put it with group of other normal looking group of monkeys.
They killed the pink monkey because he was different.
All my life I have dealt with the pink monkey syndrome on emotional and physical level in my first life.
I guess it would only normal for it to follow me in Second Life too.
The good thing is I can overcome this, not allow it to make me a SL victim and find new way of creating how to deal with this.
Perhaps the script will come but it will be inside journey to get there.
There is space in grid for us all. We don't have to like each other but we can still strive to help and create something better regardless of who we are or how we play when we are here.
We all have the script within our imagionations to create something so much more and special regardless what we are furry, child, male, female, barbie or ken or whatever.
By the way Keldaire I am Buddhist and within my group they often discuss the only way to change the world is for the indivual create change within his or her own mind and hearts. Laws can't make people stop hating each other, it must be a inside job.

Steady on chum! All he said is that he couldn't be friends with someone who is gay - small minded yes, but not sickening or abuse discrimination. He probably feels uncomfortable being around men who like men - his loss, and no loss to you by the sound of it.

Anyway, I support you all the way, but let's keep some perspective - there are far, far more unkind said out there every night.

//Bigot Remover version 1.0.0.1 - by 2fast4u Nabob
//
// Detects bigots using the experimental llIsBigot function
//
// Optionally removes the bigot from yuor land if you or the 
// object containing this script is on your land.
//
// Wear as an attachment or just rez this somewhere
//
// When worn and you are on your land, the script ejects and bans
// bigots. Works the same way if just rezzed on your land (deed this
// object to the group, if the land is group-owned).
//
// Use at your own risk ;)


default
{
	state_entry()
	{
		llSensorRepeat("",NULL_KEY,AGENT,30,PI,30.0);
	}
	sensor(integer numDetected)
	{
		integer i;
		key possibleBigot;
		
		for(i=0; i < numDetected ; i++)
		{
			possibleBigot = llDetectedKey(i);
			if(llIsBigot(possibleBigot)) //found one!
			{
				llTeleportAgentHome(possibleBigot);
				if(llOverMyLand(llGetOwner()) && llOverMyLand(possibleBigot) )
				{
					llEjectFromLand(possibleBigot);
					llAddToLandBanList(possibleBigot,0);
					
				}
				// Contact me if you are interested in a cager to handle cases when you are not on your own land
			}
		}
	}
}

We can dream

There are lots of great people in SL...don't worry about the bad apples, so to speak. Use the mute option and Abuse Report to deal with the persistent ones.

-2fast

In SL we are going to meet people from All over the world, and from every walk of Life. Unfortunately, that also means we are going to meet people who are Incapable of Accepting people from all over the world, and every walk of Life.

I know they are out there, They Always have been, and probably always will be. I can't really get Bent out of shape over it, because that is precisely what they Wish me to do, Get so worked up that they succeed in Spoiling my Day. I won't Give them that Power over me.

The OP did the right thing by Just saying Goodbye (I probably would have left the Epithet Unvoiced Myself, But i would be thinking it).

Angel.

FD... thanks for this thread. I've been seeing some issues like this lately and was trying to think of a way of talking about it, and you've opened the door. I do agree that a lot of people seem to feel that social pressures not to be bigoted, are an imposition and if they were given the chance to "be free" what they would immediately do, is repress as many other people as possible.

Some end up introspecting over why they do this; others just get angrier and angrier, as if we should all accept their Cartman-like outlook and go in fear of them.

having said all that, I have a couple of uncomfortable counter-points which I think need to be considered:

1) you don't need to lay out all your hard times stories to justify finding his behaviour unacceptable - your choice of celibacy or your low tolerance due to ill health made no difference to what he did or said. You could be Mr International Leather and Muscle, 2006/7, and your greivance would be equally valid.

2) what I wanted to whinge about is a little bit more subtle, and I was going to entitle it "gender fascism". I see a lot of cross-avatar'd people on SL who, it seems, tart themselves up in order to arrogate authority to first attract, and then belittle, the simpler type - they seem to be addicted to and incapable of escaping the "bitch script", and all too easily fall into the "girls=good boys=bad" school of amended Orwellian group fascism. Assessing individuals isn't on their agenda - being a sad-sack world-weary body fascist, is. I hadn't really identified this tribe all that strongly until someone pointed them out, from the position of being in amongst them and "born again" (as she put it, not without irony).

A lot of people behave as if the stereotypical male bigot/greifer was the norm for male avs, and therefore they are justified in treating them as the Israelis treat Palestinians: what I am saying is, there are a lot of behaviours which culture this kind of response.

Thanks was wonder what a script like that would look.
If only there was function and code that could do the:
possibleBigot = llDetectedKey(i);if(llIsBigot(possibleBigot)) //found one!
Edit:
Grr I copied and paste wrong, got syntax error!!
no such code
LOL
I will have to seek out the great prim maker and send customer request for such working scripting that will detected telepathically all that I need to repell and attract what the humans behind the avatar needs or wants so that I give it away as a freebie.

It is the price of growth. Just like with AOL. You let everyo0ne in and very soon it fucntions at the lowest common denominator. The only surpising thing is why noone sorted this out. Its like people being suprised the sex industry drives SL.

The Quote is Chinese, and Very old, I think at times it is attributed to Confucious, But as far as i Know it predates him.
There is another along a Similar Vein (Also Chinese):
"When ones words are as Good as Silence, Silence is preferable."

Angel.

Howdy folks. I was reluctant to post here because this thread depressed me a little, and it seemed a little too dramatic for the circumstances. However, I do sympathize with the poster of it; so I've devised a silly screening system for him, lol. Upon meeting a newbie that needs help, you could state the following: "Welcome to the FD Spark corporation; to better serve your newbie needs we must have you fill out this short questionnaire." Then, give your potential newbie friend a notecard filled with questions made to your liking. An example question could be "What are your views on interracial dating and same sex marriages?" Tell Mr or Mrs newbie to fill out the questionnaire (and probably tell them where to find it in their inventory) and then drag it back on to your avatar. If their answers scream bigotry you could politely reply "We are sorry, but your application to the FD Spark corporation has been denied; please contact Help Request under the Help tab on the top of your screen for assistance. Thank you."

Thank you I will working on my gothbot version of this right away it will save time and reduce emotional hassles.
Now only if it could explain employment in multiple languages over and over without disturbing me.