Create Anything, Including Bigotry?
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FD Spark
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02-19-2007 00:24
I had this werid experience earlier this morning. There was newbie who few days old he was from Holland. I was showing him around, teaching him what I knew. I introduced him to friend who was from the same part of world. I had stuff to do so I went back to shop. My other friend wrote me back and said they guy asked him if he was gay then freaked out or something when he didn't like the answer. The newbie wrote me and said you know so and so is gay and I said yes. He nice guy and wouldn't try to convert or make pass at you don't worry about it. We won't convert you. He started to ask about my gender I guess he assumed I was female since I was wearing one of my child avatar that looks better in female body. I told him I had no interest in cyber and I was celibate. Sex is something I am not interested in Secondlife or First life but I am gay. That are people who are but I am not which is totally there right. I joined the game thinking there would be more mature people here not every 10 mins, that gay, your gay like in gaming communities filled with teenage boys who use that term as put down. People can be anything here, male,female, animal or whatever. Being who you are sometimes in first life we don't always have the same choices. He said I can't be friends with gay people. I said okay, bye homophobe. I was tired and grumpy. He was bothering me anyway I was trying to do things before I went to sleep but was trying to be nice and help him because I know how it is to be new. I have heard and seen worse few times in this area on Second Life. If we create anything in this world, why is bigotry, and all those other ism also included here? I have no interest in having it a part of my 2nd life, I have enough of it of it 1st life. How do I remove bigotry from second life? Is there a hidden LSL script that I don't know about that detect the bigots and block them before they get near a 96m radius from me? Any suggestions? Thanks, FD Spark
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Reece Gunawan
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02-19-2007 00:30
Odd he would be so intolerant granted he comes from Amsterdam... Sorry to hear you had such an experience. I've been fortunate enough to avoid such people up to now although I'm sure with SL expanding the way it is, we'll be seeing more and more of them... Hopefully LL's gets stricter on such discrimination. I've seen them take swift action when certain other groups have been discriminated against.
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FD Spark
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02-19-2007 00:34
I don't think they can enforce that type of behavior. I just wonder its going to get worse. He said he was from Holland not sure about Amstradam, typo on my part. I create alt earlier this month. I am in part of orientation island this other newbie comes up to me as I am working on something here is conversation. Newbie: You gay? Me: Why? Newbie: You look gay Me: Thinking to myself what does gay look like I got the outfit that LL made except I changed it to brown suit. Pissed I say and your expert on what a male avatar is? Thanks homophobe.
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Samantha Goldflake
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02-19-2007 00:41
SL is pretty big now and more and more people join every day. You can assume that there will be all sort of "characters": the clueless, the smartass, the jerk, the polite, the bigot and so on.
All sorts of good and bad people. I don't feel like there is the need to remove anything from SL. You've tried to be nice with someone, you got bad vibes in return.
Carry on. Hugs.
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Reece Gunawan
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02-19-2007 00:45
From: FD Spark I don't think they can enforce that type of behavior. I just wonder its going to get worse. He said he was from Holland not sure about Amstradam, typo on my part. I create alt earlier this month. I am in part of orientation island this other newbie comes up to me as I am working on something here is conversation. Newbie: You gay? Me: Why? Newbie: You look gay Me: Thinking to myself what does gay look like I got the outfit that LL made except I changed it to brown suit. Pissed I say and your expert on what a male avatar is? Thanks homophobe. Sounds like another under 18 user  Either that or someone who seriously needs to grow up...
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Winter Ventura
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02-19-2007 00:47
The sad fact is.. people like to hate.
The human is a tribal animal.. and most of it's societies are defined by "us" vs "them". It's completely understandable why this behaviour would enter into Second Life.. because people bring it with them.
They bring their religions, their intolerances, their politics, and their bigotry. They bring their bad attitudes, cultural expectations, and yes.. their sex drives right along with them.
As the population grows, LL will have less and less ability to dictate standards. (which is why they've pulled back from doing so). As more and more people enter the grid.. more and more of those guys from AIM and Yahoo.. who IM you and say "I'm italy men. Want cam?"... more of those types of people (regardless of nationality) will be entering the grid as well.
And the hard part is.. it will get harder and harder to be gay, or lesbian, or transgendered... as more and more people enter the grid.
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bilbo99 Emu
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02-19-2007 00:53
Good morning FD (well, in UK it is!) A sad tale indeed. I sympathise. Many newcomers just can't open their minds which for me was the biggest plus point to SL. I think that many of these bigots and snobs find very quickly they cannot get on with this liberal concept and leave. I hope many will be 'educated' and stay however. I think the gay situation seems to be the hardest for males to accept, as though by accepting it is somehow challenging their own masculinity. Lots of folk seem to have a much less problem with the lesbian relationship, sadly though due to their fantasising more than their understanding. In fact this could be the only reason, I'm not sure. Sexuality alone I think, is one of the biggest hurdles to socialising. It's as though some think it's catching. A great shame. Many of my friends I have no interest in their sexuality if they don't want to reveal it. I certainly don't inquire. Unless they want to approach the subject it's none of my business. Regards, Bilbo
edit: Hi Winter! <wave>
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FD Spark
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02-19-2007 01:00
Thanks all for responses. I wish there way I could hire you Winter write to create script to keep certain type of biogtry, morons away. Even I had the means too do so and sadly I am not sure if there is script to prevent or detect certain type of avatars, or the type of behavior you, I and many other avatars have told me they have encounter that were negative in Sl.
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Winter Ventura
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02-19-2007 01:19
I'd write that script for free... if I could.
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FD Spark
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02-19-2007 01:35
Thanks. Yeah best I could do in area is do a hover script saying" Morons, Bigots stay away"
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Hedda Lundquist
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Sad experience.
02-19-2007 02:25
Sorry for your sad experience, FD.
About this script, it's a pity that tolerance is not universal. If you want to promote it, you have to invite all people to share it. Excluding anyone would be the opposite of your purpose.
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bilbo99 Emu
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02-19-2007 02:44
From: Hedda Lundquist Sorry for your sad experience, FD.
About this script, it's a pity that tolerance is not universal. If you want to promote it, you have to invite all people to share it. Excluding anyone would be the opposite of your purpose. A good point Hedda .. you can't educate if you close the door first .. but then not every one of us wants to be a mentor or teacher .. and a 'student' who starts off aggressive is going to be a very uphill struggle. Easier to filter the intollerant .. some come here to feel good and at peace.
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Morwen Bunin
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02-19-2007 02:55
From: Reece Gunawan Odd he would be so intolerant granted he comes from Amsterdam... Over here in The Netherlands we have enough "close minded" (to use a friendly word) people as well. I see them too often.... way too often  . To FD: Sorry, that you ran in to such <bliep>. Morwen.
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FD Spark
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02-19-2007 03:32
From: Hedda Lundquist Sorry for your sad experience, FD.
About this script, it's a pity that tolerance is not universal. If you want to promote it, you have to invite all people to share it. Excluding anyone would be the opposite of your purpose. I try to be kind to all, patient but I am only human too. I tolerate all people i.e I allow them to be who they are. I once read that to tolerate or practice tolerance doesn't mean to accept all others. There are people who practice tolerance yet have hard time feeling comfortable or accepting certain things that others do. Some people aren't willing to be educated or to learn about other people and other peoples lives, it all about their opinions, their ego's, what they have done, will do and believe there no room for anything else. Everything else is threatening. Nothing else exist except their own need fullfillment and world view. How do educate people like that without allowing yourself to be harmed in some way? I must confess after long period of dealing with people like that in first life like that I just no longer have energy, means to do so because it really drains me physically, emotionally and effets me deeply. As for the "moron' statement I am physically ill, I have struggled very hard to learn in this game with what I consider severe mental and physical handicaps. I have read, I have asked questions, I tried my hardest to respect my friends time who offer to help me. It is very hard sometimes when you're either in middle of doing something for 100th time and feeling very sick to have every 30 to 2 mins have someone ask me, "I want a job, give me one." After fifth time explaining about jobs, they keep asking the same question my tolerance goes little out the window. Same goes with the negative way adolescent types use the "gay" word.
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Smith Peel
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02-19-2007 03:41
Hey man, that kinda stuff is always gonna be around. But the more you let it bother you, unfortunately, the more it is likely to happen. (This is a law of the Universe... the law of attraction... Give energy only to positive things if you can.) So what if some dumb guy says you're gay or whatever? He was probably entirely ecstatic that he made you upset. It doesn't matter what the topic is, those types of people just want to get a reaction. If you try to have a sense of humor about it, it will entirely defuse the attack. Nobody can physically hurt you in SL, and nobody can make you feel bad if you don't let them. Hey, be gay, be celebate, be proud XD
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bilbo99 Emu
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02-19-2007 03:53
From: Smith Peel Hey, be gay, be celebate, be proud XD Now your missing the 'F' by two keys Smith deserves a Woot! .. but you're right. One of the biggest strongpoints in SL is the safety of not actually being within hitting range .. turn away, teleport, ignore .. things which are much more intimidating in RL. If they don't want to play by your rules .. it's their loss, not yours FD.
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Smith Peel
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02-19-2007 04:05
Oh that was a smilie XD lol
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Winter Ventura
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02-19-2007 04:06
you know, I sat here looking at my Keyboard... trying to tell what bilbo meant by that.
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Smith Peel
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02-19-2007 04:07
Took me a minute too XD
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02-19-2007 04:14
Hobbitses... gots funny logic.
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bilbo99 Emu
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02-19-2007 04:14
From: Smith Peel Took me a minute too XD tooW! There, woot rescinded 
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Annabelle Vandeverre
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02-19-2007 04:50
FD, I'm sorry to hear that happened to you. SL should be a place where differences are celebrated or at the very least tolerated, since we can be anything we imagine here.
But to all of you who call this unenlightened person names, please remember that you are stooping to his level and being intolerant of his views, no matter how misinformed they may be. He could just be some sheltered person who was raised in a very conservative religious environment, where it was drilled into his head that homosexuality is a horrible sin. It happens.
I've always had issues with the word 'homophobe' because it implies that one is afraid of gay people, when often it is one's religious values that dictate a person's reluctance to be open-minded toward those of a differing nature. Calling a religious person a homophobe will just convince them that they're right about you. I know - I used to be one of the sexually self-righteous. I grew out of it - live and let live, life's too short - maybe this person will too. We can always be optimistic.
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02-19-2007 05:03
From: Annabelle Vandeverre F
But to all of you who call this unenlightened person names, please remember that you are stooping to his level and being intolerant of his views, I was just thinking the same thing as I read the responses to this post(of coures calling them unelightened falls into the same vein no  . Sometimes I find the more "liberal" among us to be amonst the least tolerant of those who hold views different from out own, those view points we consider "below us." The as I like to call it "well, if you don't agree with us, you must be stupid" viewpoint. This is every bit as intolerant as in my opinion, as any other viewpoint. Also, from my point of view, intolerance isn't a thought, it isn't thinking something, it is acting upon that thought. I think anyone has all the right to think and feel however they like about certain things, what they don't have the right to do is act upon it if it breaks the law or is generally incondertate. If they do so, they suffer whatever consequences they may be. I don't want to be known as a thought policeman who tells people it is or isn't ok to think one way or the other.
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Annabelle Vandeverre
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02-19-2007 05:16
From: Kyricus Fredriksson I was just thinking the same thing as I read the responses to this post(of coures calling them unelightened falls into the same vein no  . Sometimes I find the more "liberal" among us to be amonst the least tolerant of those who hold views different from out own, those view points we consider "below us." The as I like to call it "well, if you don't agree with us, you must be stupid" viewpoint. This is every bit as intolerant as in my opinion, as any other viewpoint.  Well it is kinda 'unenlightened' to think it's socially acceptable to go up to a gay person and say 'I can't be friends with you because you're gay'. If nothing else, it's at the very least impolite.
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Kyricus Fredriksson
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02-19-2007 05:24
From: Annabelle Vandeverre  Well it is kinda 'unenlightened' to think it's socially acceptable to go up to a gay person and say 'I can't be friends with you because you're gay'. If nothing else, it's at the very least impolite. LOL, yeah, very impolite to say the least. It's one of those great opportunities to use self restraint and just not become friends with the person, without telling them why.
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