have I been reduced to this?

I honestly didn't realize the banlines were so offensive to so many. I learned something. I just thought of them the same way one would think of a fence in RL. I will try to adjust my ban lines to be only on the two parcels my one house is on and take them off all the other parcels. Hopefully this will work.

By the way, I have NEVER been offended or upset by others using them. Of course, I have no desire to go onto someone elses property and plop down ontheir sofa, unless invited.

Something else I'd like to add. If I'm on my personal, private piece of land and someone comes flying onto my land, there is no way that my security orb is intruding on thier personal space...other way around....and in no way would be considered griefing.
Now if my security orb were to bother someone on their own private property or on public property, then yes...that MIGHT be considered griefing.

I have no problem with Ban/Access Lines .... it's the trigger happy land owners and the bloody Security Orbs I have a problem with.

See, if there is any lag at all when you are flying around, you don't stand a chance in Hades of getting off of the property in time ...

Frankly I think LL should make all airspace above or below a certain level Public .... and personally? I'd like to take all the owners of a Security Orb and stick them on a single parcel of land with an Orb on it, set to two seconds and made to bounce them from that parcel to another one with a similar orb on it .... which will just bounce them back to the first one.

Hmmm, maybe then they'll have a different opinion.

Well, that makes a lot of sense. So you'd prefer walls of ban lines everywhere so you can't move anyways.
ok...nice....sounds lovely.

I'll stick with my security orb up in the sky where it won't hurt anybody, thank you.

We do have right to try to limit access to who is on and off since we do pay a lot for that right.
Yes it can be annoying I know tried to fly with my friend to her house and we kept hitting access lines. Some we didn't see.
Personally I think there needs to be more public roads for travel that connects all the sims but I doubt the Lindens or anyone else would do this.
Public and Government linden land needs its own color too.
The fact is there is need to limit access regardless of how inconvient it may be to travelers and others.
Perhaps its anti-social but not everyone wants uninvited guest either or wants to socialize whenever someone feels they want to drop by.
Though stupidest thing I have seen is access lines around properties for sale.l.
I am not sure if it was owners of the near by lots or the person selling.

i have always tried to be friendly when people drop in on my land BUT the ones that annoy me the most are the ones that wont talk and just walk into my house and start trying things out

my home is not an open access home to just play in..i will normally show people around if they ask i try not to have ban lines up but some days when im trying to build or spend time with friends and people drop in being rude its hard not to put those ban lines up

people need to realize just because this is a virtual world does not mean there are not rules and common courtesy's to uphold

ive even sat with newbies on my land and showed them how to change appearnce..adjust clothing/hair and even simple building instruction but i wil NOT tolerate people being rude to me on my land and not everyone is an innocent passerby ..even if your just curious try to remember that is someones home would you walk into someones home uninvited in rl? no ..then dont do it here

Mine warns you for 20 seconds and then TPs you home.

Have to admit though - The current system is better with P2P telepoting than when you had to fly places from the telehub.

Youd bounce off land that hadnt rezzed yet.

Or be sent home by security systems you never saw.

Or even fly right into someone's living room that suddenly rezzed around you.

If it's your land and you don't want people building on it then why don't you Just disable Building? You can still build there, But no one else can.

Angel.

The point is not the building but the impropriety of the offending av's behavior after being asked to stop.

I really hate ban lines. Store owners need to be aware of ban lines around the store if they're expecting walk through traffic. I had difficulty telporting today and decided to just take a walk/fly across some sims to see what if I'd just bump into any nice stores. Ban lines constantly stopped me. Sometimes I'd find myself inside a pocket with three sides of ban barriers. This really makes exploring places unbearable.

Anyone who thinks ban-lines (split all the hairs you like, a big bunch of red NO ENTRY is ban lines to me) are just dandy obviously never tried to take a boat ride down a river or through the estuaries.

Try zigzagging your Tako through that lot because some NIMBY doesn't want your boat clipping across 1.5 metres of their precious property line.

Nope - didn't say that.

Kindly don't put words where there are none, ok?

I would prefer people not use either.

One of the few good things I liked about There.com (and there arent many) is when you own a club/house or parcel of land (not a sim), you had to offer an invite to each person and or group, before they could enter. You had an option to have a 'open house' but was rarely used. Anyone could look at the outside of your property although they could not see inside, until the TP invite brought you into a private server senerio, you could see out and even those wandering about outside, but they could not see you, even speech and text chat was confined to the very walls around you. Technically, it was a virtual server within a 'Sim' server with only outward looking perspective.

I do have a ban list on my land, but refuse to use the liberal 'no account info used, free account' functions on the basis of discrimiation, not everyone with that status is a greifer, freeloader or chump change grabber. My ban list is justified by the individual reacts/actions of encounters experienced. Sadly the only draw back is the 300 limitation without the additional expence in L$'s and loading of the sim with yet more scripts, when employing a security system.

Sometimes an avatar will not respond verbally if they don't speak your language. Set no build, no push, no scripts and no outside prim drop on your land, it's quite effective.

Most people give you less than 20 seconds.

In any case, it's threatening and unpleasant to receive these messages when one is just flying along, minding one's own business. Why do you need to TP me home if you're not even there and I can't possibly be disturbing you?

I fully support the use of these devices against named avs that have proved themself a nuisance by wandering in and causing trouble, but attacking everyone indiscriminately is very hostile.

Here's what you said:
<quote>I have no problem with Ban/Access Lines .... it's the trigger happy land owners and the bloody Security Orbs I have a problem with.<quote>


So, as I said before....
"Well, that makes a lot of sense. So you'd prefer walls of ban lines everywhere so you can't move anyways.
ok...nice....sounds lovely.

I'll stick with my security orb up in the sky where it won't hurt anybody, thank you."

I could point you to the other thread by the guy that rezzed in his home to find two people using his sexgen bed and then threatened to AR him because he burst in on them.

And as I said - I did not say I'd prefer lots of ban lines. Kindly remember not to be so blatantly obtuse next time ok?

Here is my earlier response, reposted - as it will be each time you make the attempt to put words where there are none - so it will hopefully sink in (and no, I don't have much tolerance for people that make such blatantly foolish assumptions):

"Nope - didn't say that.

Kindly don't put words where there are none, ok?

I would prefer people not use either."

Is that understandable enough?

I apologize for quoting your posted statement exactly as it was posted. (post #53)

If you didn't really mean what you wrote, then its obviously my bad.
~rolls eyes~

That's not sufficient reason to threaten every innocent traveler passing by.

I think there are several kinds of trespassers / griefers :

1: innocent people, unaware of the point of view of the parcel owner about trespassing or just wanting to pass/fly by
2: intrusive people, aware or not of it but thinking everything in SL is free for use to them, even when the parcel owner is around
3: griefers

These 3 categories will trespass in 3 ways :

A: outside your parcel but looking into it (everybody's right, but sometimes disturbing when they look into your house and at you specifically without engaging conversation)
B: into your parcel but outside your buildings
C: into your buildings

Ban lines are here to keep Bs and Cs out of your parcels, disturbing the 1s and not the 3s (griefers always find ways to grief, whether they are on your parcel or not)

Security orbs will keep the Cs out and won't likely disturb the 1s (or only unattentive ones), but are clumsy to set up when you want friends around. Not counting lag and possible ARs against you in case of a malfunction / misunderstanding / misuse.

I'm not for those drastic measures myself. I prefer logging trespassers (maybe with a friendly reminder that this is a private area) without ejecting automatically. And if I'm in the house when a trespasser enters, I prefer to talk first and shoot later.

In what way am I unattentive if I walk over grassy land in the direction of the co-ordinates I wish to reach?

I should have been more precise on the "unattentive" part. I meant : flying / walking into structures uninvited while going towards the coordinates of your destination, making you a canditate for security orbs. Provided these security devices only protect the inside of the structures, not the entire parcel and 96 meters beyond it

I agree. I was just using that as one example...and I was smiling when I wrote it....it was quite a funny story.

I agree that people wandering through usually mean no harm, but I've had instances in the past with people playing war games and using my house to hide behind while being shot at (thus leaving me to come home to find unspent rockets lodged in my ceiling and unspent bombs laying in my yard)
I'm always finding some sort of crap laying around my yard and so for those reasons, I put my house in the sky and put a ring of protection around it.

I have it at the lowest settings to persuade nefarious avi's to move along and play somewhere else.

If my 90 meters of private space in the entire SL environment does end up bothering too many people 300+ meters up in the sky, then I will take it down, but until then I'm keeping my personal home private for just my friends and I so we can relax and build in peace.