...You have to be kidding me

Off topic but LOL.



(it was a good point on your post and all but the "--shocked--shocked!" made me laugh)

The people who laughed at Americans blandly accepting the patriot act are also clicking.

Frankly, I'm astounded LL would even consider asking for national ID card or passport data, even by proxy.

Yeah i totaly understand the right to privicy .. im not mocking that , realy im not .... but im realy getting a strong feeling that all the scum that lurks around here in SL will be reduced dramaticly ... that in its self is a good thing right ?

Maybe you missed this little line in the blog post:
If LL takes the stance that it's not going to police their new restrictions, the system will be as gamed as classifieds ads are right now.

I'm not too sure about that. I think most griefing tends to happen in mature/adult areas and if those places are suddenly off-limits then it will shift to the PG sims which are freely accessible, and where people presumably won't have the option to mark their parcel as "Adult".

Age verification is only something the legitimate residents will bother with. People with nothing to loose will still be able to do as they please and the worst that will happen to them is a ban so they'll start over. A system that's meant to sanitize the world should target those who currently have free reign, not those who are already known and identified by having payment info on file.

Anyone wise enough to not hand out their passport, drivers license and ID/SSN to strangers in a futile attempt to prove their age is a pervert or a paedo?
Man, your logic is astounding.

I can not and will not give out this information.

I am more than willing to provide a document drawn up by my attorney and notarized stating
that i am over the age of a consent. To willy nilly toss out information that if it landed in the wrong hands would negativitly impact my life. Not a chance in hell.

It pains me to think that I will be cashing in 3 years of SL all that goes with it.
But as I have always preached. The real world comes first and in this case the protection of
my vital information is that real world.

The Phil et al, Dumb idea there are other ways to do this.
What ever kick back you will be getting from the verification company is not worth it.
Good relations with your customers is just as good as money in the bank.
Fire what ever lawyer that claimed this will protect you.

Rox

Anyone know where I can get a fake RL ID that can be used to validate myself in SL? Just in case they make happiness mandatory.

i am not a sexual deviant at all. the sexual element of sl is not of interest to me. i am more driven by the commercial economy of sl. and i will click.

I'm not underage or a paedophile. I work as a pole dancer and if this goes ahead I won't be allowed to go to work! I've already verified my age and identity by using my credit card to buy lindens (didn't even want to do that, but paypal billing was broken!). If they demand even more personal info and make me pay for it (although I'm verified I'm on a basic account cos I'm not interested in buying land, and it looks like the charge for us will be more than nominal) then I'm leaving SL for good.

All I'm seeing now is a lot of speculation on how this stuff will work. Either it's going to be scary, privacy-wise, or it's going to be ineffective. As long as it's not too scary, I'll sign up.


I'm over 18, certainly deviant and absolutely not a pedophile. Aside from privacy issues, why would I close my account?

That may be enough. Has anybody actually used this company before? Do we know what data they collect?

We know what data they collect for selling to politicians and PACs. That list has one item on it, which is "Everything"

/me yawns

I think I'd rather have a 'rational person' verification system.

I quite frankly do not believe in having to give that information. The only time anyone will see my passport, when I finally decide to need one is when I enter or leave a country and am asked for it. Till then I have my Canadian Drivers license and SIN, these I will only give to a government agency in my country or law official where appropriate.

Personally, if it does go through I am willing to see how it impacts my experience in SL. So far I have found that virtually every sim save for Welcome Areas and Info Hubs are marked Mature, so if this then means I can not enter these sims regardless of having no more than PG intentions then I am sure my account will leave as well and so will any potential future funds I may intend to pay LL. I have no intention of releasing private documentation to any third party, nor will I pay for a service I am signing up or have signed up for to verify it. I am new to SL and LL have received a little so far from me for some additional L$ if my experiences continue to be satisfactory they may see more of my money in the future to a varying degree depending on my needs/wants in SL and how satisfied I am and thus willing to pursue those needs/wants.

I should also clearly state that I will not subscribe to a premium membership if this goes through if I am forced to use the verification service. This would be a steady flow of income LL will loose in addition to those that close there accounts should this measure prove to restricting to current members that are only here to hang out, maybe make some friends, and just generally have a good time that need not include Mature content.

This is something the LL needs to consider VERY carefully before implementing and make sure that it only limits viewing Mature or Sexual content and not limiting access to Mature marked sims or parcels that in fact have no Mature Prims or intents. We have all clicked that little box that says we are 18+, those that have done so falsely should indeed be removed, but the experiences of those of us that have not should not be ruined because of them.

Dang. Now that you've singled out that phrase, I have to admit it was lifted from one of the sources I read when I was trying to verify Visa's stance on age verification.

Just to clear somthing up here ...

Mature sim's you CAN enter ...... no need to give info to do this .

Mature sim's with ADULT content flagged .... you can't get in without giving info .

Im stunned at the amount of people that don't understand what this is about ... but are still posting novel sized post's about why they won't be doing it ...o_O

Put in short terms ...if you want ADULT content in your SL life ... get your pass port out ....If you don't and ADULT content is not your thing ..... Your info is not needed .

Clear ?

hehe is still funny =)

I just can see the husband now "But, but but .. i didnt buy an Pr0n, im SHOCKED!"

Youd think the clever Porn Sites wouldnt use Porn business names though - For their own best interests.

"Fred's Sex bunnies who like to wash cars naked while having sex with strangers (.com)"

would be changed to "Fred's LLC"

And leaving the .com on anything would be stupid too. Since that just points at the internet.


Ah well the only unlimited resource on earth is stupidity.

I believe you are missing the point. The topic is about privacy and personal data security.

Ain't no way in hell I'm providing my SSN to them. I don't care about accessing "Adult content" in SL anyway, so I guess it works out.

Asking someone to scan their passport or whatever is a completely unreasonable thing to do.

Deters traffic and money that would have been spent by perfectly verifiable people, though. Is the money you lose less than the fraud you deter?

I am willing to bet, it's not.

I'll likely verify, if I can, that is. Its happened already to me before that I was unable to "verify" due to my not having an ID card from the country where I reside. (my passports are from different countries, where I don't reside)

Form couldn't handle it. So will LL have an alternative method for people like me who may fall through the cracks on a form, but can verify their age? I'd like to know... or maybe they just want to throw money away just like AB has on Bud.TV

BTW, AVS systems never were about making the world safe for children, they're about making money. Always have been.

Has LL yet decided to clarify exactly what is considered Adult content? So if someone sets up a sex shop in my home sim and I don't get verified, I can no longer access my land? These are kind of important questions. I love my plot of land, I've had it for 3 years, I can't afford to buy a new plot at today's prices, but I have no intention of providing any more private info. to LL or any other 3rd part site.

As long as the parcel owner doesn't flag his parcel of land "adult," you'll still be able to access it. So everyone else in your sim may flag their land as "adult," but as long as you don't flag yours "adult," you'll still have access to your land.

This "adult" flag is different from the current "mature" flag or mature rating for sims.

I think it is absolutely untrue that the people upset by this are likely underage themselves. It is very common in this day and age for adults to need to be cautious about providing too much information to places on the internet. The last four numbers of the ss number, for example, though it presumably will be only an option you can choose or not choose, is something I have never heard of before except as applied to banking and taxes and that sort of thing.

The idea of providing a passport seems just preposterous.

If anything, those who are underage would be much LESS upset about it, because (a) they're too young to know the cumulative dangers of trusting more and more personal info to third parties, and/or don't care about it, and have less to lose; and (b) because this is no deterrant to them anyway - if they've helped themselves to their parent's credit cards, they can easily help themselves to the other identifying information.

Mind you, I'm not underage, and I'm also not upset about this at all for my own self. But it is totally understandable that most - yes, most - reasonable adults would be unhappy with this much identifying information being required, particularly considering that SL is SUPPOSED to be for over 18-year-olds in the first place.

To now have to provide so much private information - which nobody sane parts with easily to an online game company or its unnamed verification partner - is of course not well-received by reasonable adults.

coco

Edit: Reading on, I see Sweet Primrose stated all this much better and in far fewer words.

Ok. so potentially one could become trapped on their land except to TP out...great. Thanks for clearing it up though. Not really different than if all your neighburs banned you from their land.

I don't think so. I mean, the vulgar content is still going to be here.

And I keep thinking about my friend who TP'd me to a club, where there were naked women dancing and escorts. Well, I'm not interested in such things, but neither do I need to be protected from them. My friend likes them, I'm perfectly willing to dance there awhile, even if, lo, there are naked pixel boobs!

So - if I don't get verified, there will be various instances where a friend TP's me somewhere, for example, and all of a sudden "You are not verified and therefore not allowed into this area."

Can you IMAGINE how pissed off adults will get after a few times of this? Even if they don't care about porn and adult content, as I don't.

coco