What can be done about neighbor's structure crossing onto my property?

Hi,

I had a new neighbor purchase the land next to my parcel overnight, and this person was already out there this morning beginning to build. I didn't have much time this morning, as I was just popping on to SL quickly before heading off to work, but I did notice that this person's structure was crossing over my property line. I sent him a polite IM identifying myself as his new neighbor, welcoming him to the neighborhood and also asking him if he would mind using the view/property lines feature to ensure that his prims were contained on his property. No response.

Now, it's the evening, and he's still out there building.... and he's built up the entire property as well as the property next to it which he must have purchased too. But still, his structure remains crossing over onto MY property... however, it's not enough that I can return anything that's crossing over. Tonight I wanted to try face-to-face conversation, so I flew up to his level where he was building, and tried engaging him in conversation. Again, no response after two "Hello, [insert name here]. So I tried IMing him again, too. No response. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt that he could possibly be AFK, but still, he never acknowledged my IM from this morning.

Any advice on how to handle this? Can I AR him if he continues to ignore my requests to move his stuff within HIS property lines? How have other residents handled similar situations? I should say that I already have the land option checked that other residents cannot create objects on my land, nor should they be able to enter objects onto my property, but...

I just want to enjoy the landscaping walls I had in place on my property, without his structure digging into them.

Erised

Yes you can AR

you can also fill that section of your land on the property lines with prims so he cant use the house

Try talking to him in person?

You could hire one of the Rent a Cop groups to go over and."Talk to him".

I find very big pine trees very effective in these cases. The branches "accidentally" intrude into their building and when they come to discuss it with me, we have a nice talk about the property lines. Works every time and so far its turned out friendly in the end.

You used to be able to request things like this be fixed here on the forum, Guy Linden would then pop over and remove offending objects.

They changed that a while back (pretty sure there is a blog post about it), now I think you either AR them or do a help request. (not sure, find the blog post if you want to check)

HTH,

G.

lol, I was just about to suggest a whole bunch of pine trees, damn those things are anoying when they're poking through your wall. You could also release a plague of particle locusts or write a script that doesn't work and put it in a prim near his land.

However, those things might get you ARed too. One thing that is bound to anoy him and you'll defo get away with is setting up an ad farm right next to him. Big, flashy, spinny porno ads

Hmm, might be best to do things the right way. Keep IMing/chatting to him, keep hounding until you get a reply. Ask your friends to help too perhaps, but don't turn nasty.

If that doesn't work AR him. When that doesn't work it might be time to turn nasty (see above).

Vale

very similar thread last week
one of the suggestions I quite liked was if the overhang is inhabitable either put something of yours in it or simply sit in it yourself - specially if its a bedroom!
You mention you have a landscape wall? Does this cut off their internal view of the structure? Mebbe put a 'noticeable' texture on it which they can't change of course

Revenge is not the answer, AR them for sure.

We are not a society of savages, we are civilised human beings. I know that sometimes it is tempting to take the law into your own hands...but little good will ever come of that.
Imagine a situation where you build a "revenge structure" then your neighbour quickly moves their things back and AR's you instead. The neighbour has already shown an act of hostility towards you by ignoring your requests etc.
Try asking live help for assistance in world, if you get no joy there, then send amessage to the neighbour stating that you are sorry, but due to their items being over your land, that you are left with no other option than to abuse report...then send off an Abuse report complete with pictures and what you have done to try and rectify the situation (through contacting the neighbour etc).

Be civilised.. it will get you far further in the end. Revenge can easily lead to more hostility... and that is not what you want.

I tried last night, when he was on the third floor of his structure. I got as close as I could and attempted to engage him in converstaion by saying "Hello, [insert his avatar name here]" in open chat. I waited.... nothing. I tried again and waited. And still nothing. So then I sent another IM last night and still nothing.

Thanks for everyone's suggestions. I really do not want to turn nasty. It's just not my style. I don't even like 'bugging' him like I am... I simply want to be able to enjoy my property without his items invading my space. I sent him yet another IM this morning, once again identifying myself as his neighbor and asking him again to please use the "view, property lines" feature to move his structure to within his green lines. I also mentioned that I may report him if he doesn't fix the problem.

I've taken screenshots of the problem and will report him if nothing changes. I guess what bothers me the most is that he's unresponsive and hasn't acknowledged any of my attempted communication. I've been able to resolve other situations in the past by chatting with the person. But this guy won't respond.

Ban them from your land if its part of the build they were planning on "using". When they complain you can remind them it was only to demonstrate the boundary of their property, seeing as they weren't prepared or able to discuss it.

Other suggestions are good- especially prim walls on your border to make the point (cutting through their build. That wall is also a handy reference you can leave in your abuse report highlighting the encroachment.

Asking first is a good idea- I was randomly checking out land for sale, and saw a guy building out his house on a hill- out way over another parcel lower down the hill. I mentioned it to him because he was at risk from autoreturn (aside from using prims that weren't his) but he didn't understand.

You tried talking though, so it's time for the big stick I say.

Jus a quick thought Erised;
You've met them? Did you check their profile? Just wondered if they understand little english.

He possibly did miss the chat text and the IM's, I am notorious for being oblivious to windows popping up in the screen when building. Try sending him a note card. It should pop up on his screen. You will also get a message telling you if he declined or accepted the item. If accepted then you know your words are not falling on deaf ears, if declined then you know your being ignored and can proceed with the 'stick beating' as Ace advised.

Thanks again for all your replies.

I took down my walls last night in order to take screen shots of his structure crossing over my green property lines, but as suggested, I will put them back up and take screen shots of that encroachment as well.

There's not much info in his profile. He's fairly new (2/16/07) to SL. I, too, had wondered if a language barrier could be part of the problem. His land next to mine is labeled (edited by Erised to remove land name) and he's a member of an Italian SL group, according to his profile, so it would seem that he may be Italian. I have thought about using one of those free translation services to translate my message into Italian, but sometimes I wonder if those free tools botch things up more than they could help. I certainly don't want to inadvertently say something I do not mean, just because I'm not familiar with the language. Though, in the past when I've tried to communicate with someone in SL who didn't speak English, they acknowledged me in their language... which at least was an acknowledgement and I knew I wasn't being ignored.

I'll try communicating with him again tonight. I'll try to send him a notecard, maybe two (one in English, one translated into Italian).

Thanks again for all the advice.

Erised

I had similar situation at my last location. I AR'd for weeks, to no avail. AR is the proper thing to do, but don't count on it helping, and certainly not for weeks atleast.

I did the tree thing, the signs thing, and the particles thing. That approach only results in your neighbor doing even worse to you, and before you know it, you have to build 40m walls around your property to hide the 40m hotpink walls he's put up on your border.

The only immediate fix, if he's a jerk and won't play nice, is for you to move.... and enjoy your new lot until another jerk moves in nextdoor.

You might also like to consider buying land from one of the zoned sims. You can get land that is protected on your property's borders. Be picky when chosing your land and pay close attention to the covenant. If you're not a club owner, get in a sim where clubs are NOT allowed in the covenant, else you risk being lagged to death.

Any objects that are on your land that are not yours can be returned to orginal owner. I found I lost several 100s of prims onetime and couldn't figure out how, well long story short I found a high prim necklace under my house and I returned it to owner and my prims were returned right away.

If he isn't answering your ims or responding by removing his items then I would simply right click and return his items to him.

You can not return someone else's prims if the root of the prims are not within your borders. I can make a 10mx10mx10m cube and have 4.99m of it hanging over your border, and you can not return it.

I have been down the 'retaliation, fight fire with fire, an eye for an eye' type road before. I am very stuborn and did win in the end but I pretty much had to abandon one of my plots for months in order to win this war. In one instance I took a picture of the avatar in question and plastered his image and name over a 40 metre long penis and stuck it through the wall of his casino that was encroaching my land which I thought was very funny ( i know, I should grow up!). A few days later they sold the land to someone else and the problem was over. There was a lot of nastiness along the way though and there is only so much you can do without seriously violating the TOS and getting a suspension. So if you can find peacefull resolution then you should.

In writting this I just thought of a great new service. Someone should set up a vigilante group like the 'A-team' get yourself a cool black van, a MR T avatar (with bling) and set up almost a legitimised griefing group. Having trouble with your nieghbour and no body else can help....why dont you call the 'A-team'. You could then pay them to harass your nemesis on your behalf. Seeing as AR is pretty much broken now I think a group like this could operate for a short time without getting too much hassle from the Lindens.

Hello Sheena, this clearly works with items wholly on your property but this is an overhang. The prim centre would have to be over the OPs property, not merely a fragment.

The Ban idea is good, Hard for him to miss red lines running through his house.

Possibly funnier -

set up the "BUY PASS"

then he will literally have to rent access to that portion of his own house from you.


Neither of these 2 suggestions should be AR - able.

Since your just turning on your Land Access resitrictions after all.

I couldnt help myself and went to look...since the name of the land (that you may want to remove, not sure if its a violation etc) was listed in search. Here is more of the situation as some of the advice given doesnt apply. What it looks like to me is that the 'build' (and I certainly hope he keeps working on it and does some improvement on it for your sake) only has half of one wall over the property line. Of course, this wall is 3 stories high and more than thick enough that they could have sized it down enough to NOT be on your property and still be thick enough.

Annoying, oh yea...but not enough that the OP could put something in to block off part of the building. Trees would certainly work, but then he would have to move his own house over a lot further to put the trees in there or risk harrassing himself with trees in his living space.

Sadly this entire huge building has ruined all of any view on that side of your home. Do the AR report and get a linden to come over...they will just move the walls over the amount so it is no longer on your property (I hope at least). Good luck

Edit to include; it also looks like the person built OVER a small 16m ad plot. Wonder if the owner of that plot knows yet? lol

Thanks, Ashlynn.

I really don't mind that there is no view on that one side... the previous owner of the parcel had a rather tall structure as well, which is why I originally created and installed landscaping walls; so at least when I looked out my windows from inside my home, I'd see something nice on that side. So I've gotten used to the fact of no view on that side.

I just want his stuff moved over, so when I put my walls back up tonight, his building isn't running through them.

Sad, but true. I've been in a peaceful corner of a sim for a couple months now without incident. All of a sudden all the parcels around me have been involved in sales blitzes for the past 24hrs. In 5 times logging in, the land around me has been joined/divided/resold each time. 3 of the 5 I've had to harass the transient owner to get their &^%$ing forsale signs off my property.

Now I'm considering packing up my build and selling...

What's double annoying is the fact this should be such a simple fix from LL to either give us the tools to push this shit off our property or calculate external dimension violations for auto return.

Oh well, what you can do?

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Rent at a covenanted private island residential sim?

Or, try to take matters into your own hands. I'm at the early stages of trying to create a Mainland sim that will be protected from the annoyances, casinos, ad slums, and other unpleasantnesses described above. Who knows, maybe my little experiment will fail? But, I hope it'll work, and there will be at least one, tiny oasis on the Mainland. Time will tell.

I'm still trying to picture what has been described, but regardless I'll say anyways that I would try to take advantage of his objects that cross over.

For example:
My neighbor has a couple of trees with branches that dig into my property. Rather me asking him to move it(possibly getting a rebellious response), I ignored it and thought "Cool, I have some trees that over hang the entrance to my building -- looks good, thanks neighbor"

If people want to frown on how the branches stick into my walls, they can frown towards my neighbor.

A friend of mine had a similar problem and never got a response from the neighbor. He imed them numerious times with no response. Soooooo..... he created several 10m x 10m prims and put them on the property line (being very careful of course not to go over). He then made a texture in photoshop that was glaring neon pink with the statement "Please move your build onto your property and I will remove this prim". The prim he created went right into the neighbors livingroom. It was fixed the next day. While it would have been better to get a response from iming him this fixed the problem.