I will admit when I am wrong...

Well yes… of course you should make the one you love feel special, wanted and desired. There is no doubt about that for me.
Only I would personally would not use words as “queen” and “putting on a pedestal”… because to my feelings it that putting someone above me and even more out of reach. I want my partner close to me, always within my reach. Maybe that are only the words .

But…

When I made my remark about having no desire to be a queen, I was referring to normal every days life. There I want to be equal to people around me… no matter gender, race, color of skin and so on and on.
I mean, that I am a woman is not a reason to give me special treatment. Treat me equal, that is all I ask.

Morwen.

Hello Voodoo, I think your post must have been lurking down the list when I came back from holiday this morning.

An admirable post. An honourable one. I can identify with many of your background ideals there as indeed I was brought up in a similar vein.

I did in fact myself tend to put women on pedestals during my teens - a frame of mind that failed repeatedly to find a recipient of such adoration - but heading into RL territory that is not for this forum!

When I met SecondLife I was met with an almost blinding flash of realisation. In a matter of hours every single boundary and border I associated with RL, gender, age, race, sexuality was smashed to the ground. I explored, I met, I chatted. A friend list grew. It grew more. It mutated into a monster! I found myself conversing generally with people from all walks of life who had this amazing openess of their thoughts, their feelings. It was intoxicating. It still is.

Your thoughts on the children. Well, LL have acted on this. I'm not bashing the Lindens. They acted on German law. If they hadn't they might have lost their largest national portion of the population ... not good business sense ... and Linden Lab has got to act like a business. But yes, what you say about the depiction .. it had to go even though I myself was defending the principle barely two months ago!

SL is a hugely learning experience. Threads have been dedicated to trying to categorise it. A futile purpose. How can you categorise a genre? It has the power to be bigger than RL in many respects. It can be a training ground for many to exercise their free thinking in relative safety. It shouldn't be held back any more than is necessary due to governments not sharing this vision.

Very true; however, I doubt that society at large has any idea how common these notions are, and the nature and frequencey of female submissive desires is still a major hot button with a lot of people, both male and female. In fact, the more it's a hot button, the more it seems to thrill those who are attracted to it.

SL makes such games more visible - what people want to do when they get here, are things they can't do in RL (if they can do them in RL, why invest effort in getting to do them in SL?), so of course they do 'em all the more. But; don't assume that legal status for stuff like rape-play in various countries equates to social approval - in Europe, there is a massive backswell of hidden opinion in Women's Groups that says a number of things about sex which we might be very surprsied to find: for example, many many women believe that ALL adult material - even "softcore" - is INHERENTLY paedophilic, because it mostly shows women who have depilated. These groups maintain that a depilated human body is "child-like", and hence it's a reference to paedophilia. There's another point of view that says the "traditional glamour poses" (kneeling, legs apart, etc etc) are all either "submissive" or "tortured" (which means: physiclaly uncomfortbale for an unfit person to adopt...) and hence the softcore images are "violent" or "forced".

So there are RL social tensions, about things which us good old bohemians would consider to be perfectly innocuous; there isn't even broad agreement amongst women's groups or individual commentators (Paglia, Greer, etc) about what's "safe" sexual expression, and what's not.

So the job of striving to represent women as goddesses is not something I'd expect the frickin' United Nations to be able to boil down into anything shorter than the Bible (with Apocryphae!): asking LL to just bang together a quick press release or FAQ that does the job better might be rather a tall order.

Thank you for apologizing.
I must apologize for my response to your original post I was upset.

It take a big man to speak his mind, but it take a bigger man to admit he was wrong.


Exactly, and that is the biggest problem here, people do not understand us, and they automatically assume beastiality or or kink when they see a furry av. Not saying you are.

if people would just take the time and effort to understand each other we wouldn't have such intolerance for things like gay and furries.

Again, thank you for apologizing.

Umm but that's the point isn't it. Both the child pixel-humping, and the rape RP, depend on the audience for their effect. After all, there's also no way to know whether the "couple" you are seeing in-world are actually a guy on a big PC with the /multiple command-line option set in the SL client, driving BOTH avs - you have no way of telling this, or what's passing to and fro in IM.

In fact, it's far safer to say that it's the apparently-uninvolved, accidental spectators who are the "subject" of these public kinks. It's no different from trolling in a forum - people are picking tendentious acts, and performing them to get a reaction. To paraphrase that old loggers-existentialism joke, if a rape happens in a skybox with nobody there to watch it, between two avs run by one person with the /multiple switch or two PCs on his desk - then is it really rape?

In my experience, most men who put me on a pedestal just want to look up my skirt....

I'm sorry Tegg. I've tried, I really have, but I'm having real difficulty visualising this. A chipmunk, maybe, but a gerbil?..........

You might as well enjoy it because eventually that won't happen anymore

Chipmunk? Aren't they a bit to big for the fridges............

That was awesome, Tegg.

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WHY DOES THIS ARGUEMENT KEEP COMING UP??!? Here is the science of the issue...

1) Rape is impossible in SL. It's completely consentual and just a show/bad roleplaying. If a woman wants to recieve that kind of attention then that's their own counseling session.

I don't like rape RP...so I don't seek it out! I don't know about the people out there that take offense to it, but it's a lot easier for me NOT to find it than it is to find it...with search working right or not!

2) Simulated child sex in SL has been deemed unacceptable by SL's creators and owners...Linden Lab. It doesn't matter what you think or how (pathetically) you try to defend it.

btw the whole "how would you feel if someone tried to close down your body art shop because it says it's bad in the Bible" arguement is weak at best. For one thing there are actually a sizeable amount of Christians out there with all types of body art.

For another that's one of those issues that's subject to interpretation and has no 100% definite answer. That's not the case with paedophilia...real OR simulated.

Sexualising a child is wrong.

I saw Stryfe around closing threads today...this one is probably next!