What's going to replace traffic then?

I love this concept and might work, but the complex format might cause even more stress on the LLAbs side.



I wish they get rid of this! when LLabs allowed or triggering of the UI to run more then on AVIE at one time it causes this current mess! for any new traffic to occur they have to dump all those anti-iders! Otherwise any new system will be a waste of time assets and etc........

Some social setting like dance clubs can`t go up with those Casino camping chairs nightmares...........Unless LLABs want to see 70% of their top listing AFK etc ( unless they do something dance clubs will turn liek those camping chair casinos).....nothing will be solved nothing will be fixed. all wil be the same............
Lets hope LLAbs makes the right choice.

Usagi

That is what it ultimately comes down to, a failure on the part of the parcel owner to either provide compelling content or market it effectively. If you have to resort to camping, you aren't providing anything that draws people normally or if you are, you aren't marketing it correctly. Unfortunately, there simply is no system that can't be gamed and I frankly think that LL has better projects on which they could be spending their time. It was clear from the Town Hall that it is going to a while (possibly a very long while) before the traffic metrics change, so all this gnashing of teeth is a little preliminary....

What about those of us who idle all the time without camping? I leave my computer on all the time, so as a result I'm logged onto SL almost 24/7, even if I'm not around.

You are contributing 1/40,000th to all the "too many avatars logged in" Problem without doing anything.


Anyone who is logged in contributes to the problem. But the people participating in Second Life are being part of things.

I don't quite see the basis for the implicit suggestion that trying to get the item into a high position on Search Places, by whatever means, can't possibly constitute "marketing it correctly".

I have observed that those scripted item stores which offer camping do generally have higher traffic, and appear to behave in ways that indicate higher income, than stores which do not offer camping even if the items being sold in both are comparable in quality and functionality (in fact, often the item in the camping store is more expensive, yet still sells more).

hm...

My concept would naturally be gamed - any situation where Search results have any sort of "popularity / goodness" metric invariably will. My primary aim with that idea is to discourage the "park your avi somewhere and then abandon your PC entirely" school of Camping - which encourages filling up sims with zombies and frustrating all of the other landowners in that sim.

I look forward to what sort of changed traffic-metric scheme LL come up with, or what other approach to ordering Search results.

Based apond that statement...........I think many would agree.......Atleast it will save LLabs resources if they do this.......Everyone other then the campers would love to see islands/Sims concept go live.

Hmm, there's a part of me that thinks SL would be a much better place to spend time if there was no way to search for places, the search and no classifieds. The only way of finding new places would be to either wander around the grid exploring or word of mouth.

New businesses would have the devil's job getting the fly wheel turning, but all in all I think SL would be a nicer place to be.

Vale

COUGH COUGH COUGH!!!!!!!!!!!! Voice maybe..Fret the thought

So, if you have to pay people to be your friends or pay someone to be your boyfriend to make you look more interesting to other people is that considered effective marketing?

True, the RL Yellow Pages that we get at home are specific to about 5 counties that surround our location. I was thinking something more along the lines of yellowpages.com, that you could either put in the exact name of a business you already know, the name of a sim, or a general word you would want to search for, and it pull up the matches to your search word that would give you a list of places tagged with that word. Or if you searched for a specific sim, give a listing of all things that are inside that sim. Kind of like what we have now, except only allowing business owners to use up to 5 tags, or search words to be listed under, and adding more functionality to the search, and take away from using the business description as the form of search. This way we could finally see things like "The Ivory Tower of Prims", and other things that could be listed under art, help centers, museums, learning, etc. This has already been done with events, you must choose which category your event is in "gaming, nightlife, live music, etc.", and seems to work fairly well with events, and no one has ever complained they can only list their event under just one tag. I am hoping that if there is a removal of the traffic system, that the popular places list will also go along with it, if not, it would be nice to see a popular place list for every category, or "search tag" I think this is something that had been due a long time ago. These are just thoughts I had when I heard about the conversation at the town meeting. I am curious as to how LL will change this, if indeed they are seriously planning on taking away traffic all together.
And unfortunately Yumi, I think in any situation there will be some who feel they need to abuse any system to make their businesses seen, but the thing that really bothers me is...once they are seen, why do they keep up the madness, the only thing that comes to my mind is greed. SL is for certain, nothing like it was when I first joined. I miss people coming out to events and tipping hosts and such $L1000+ at a time, and a community that uplifted everyone, and was proud of the community we had built. Now I see money being spent on zombie avatars, and classified ads in excess, when it could be spent on the hard working citizens of SL.
Camping chairs do not provide true traffic. True traffic would be, people behind their computers, exploring and taking in the awesome things all of us have worked so hard to build inside SL. I hear the excuse, "well this is my only means of making money in SL", well go out and take a look around, explore I can almost be positive that if you are friendly there will be people around you that will set you up with clothing and other things you need, and sometimes even give you a few lindens, and possibly a job. In the world we live in you dont get something for nothing, even in our SL world. You maybe earning a few lindens by sitting in a camping chair but you are also creating a world full of lag, and when you do decide to get up and go explore, you will see the difference in a sim with camping chairs installed, and one without. Just hit Ctrl+Shift+1, and look at the stats for a while, it's overwhelming!
Thanks for listening again all!
Xaria

You can't compare social relationships to business, so this is pretty much moot. To be mechanical about it though, if this did have the effect of making a person look more interesting to others then it would be "effective marketing". It wouldn't be a good thing or something to be proud of, but if it works then it's effective. Fortunately, I am not in the position of needing to do this kind of thing to appear interesting to at least some people, but if another person was in that position then I would not really blame them for doing whatever they could. What do you think is the basis for the real-life escort business?

I guess what I was trying to say is that what do you consider to be "marketing correctly"? Classifieds, SLEx/SLB listings and possibly a forum post are all helpful, but coming high up in Search Places seems even better. Word of mouth is best of all, but quite a lot harder to get when a fair proportion of the customer base is new users who don't stay around very long.

Maybe if there were really 6 million Players in SL this would be a huge issue

However there isnt anywhere near that many - therefore, it is all one locality still.