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Bradley Bracken

Goodbye, Farewell, Amen

Join date: 2 Apr 2007

Posts: 3,856

02-20-2008 10:26

From: Lindal Kidd

It's true that a lot of the complaints about the new Communicate window weren't addressed.

Maybe that's why I'm not very sympathetic. I love the new communications window and have from day one. I think it's far from what it should be but I like it much more than what it was.

I did break down and try Dazzle even though I said I wouldn't. A friend convinced me to give it a try because he really liked it. At first I found it difficult. It glared in my eyes. I was worried I wasn't going to be able to use it for very long. After about an hour and a half though I got so I liked it.

Now, I've put it away. I'm done with my brief test and I'll wait until it's fully released.

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Trolane Demonia

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Join date: 26 Jan 2008

Posts: 150

02-20-2008 10:26

the dazzle client looks fine to me.
light blues and better text accent especially in the inventory management.

Oryx Tempel

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Join date: 8 Nov 2006

Posts: 7,663

02-20-2008 10:35

From: Bradley Bracken

Maybe that's why I'm not very sympathetic. I love the new communications window and have from day one. I think it's far from what it should be but I like it much more than what it was.

I do too.

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Lindal Kidd

Dances With Noobs

Join date: 26 Jun 2007

Posts: 8,371

02-20-2008 10:42

From: Oryx Tempel

I do too.

Me three. And I like the changes in 1.19 even more.

Now, if they'd only fix the bugs like the cursor sticking in the communicate and chat windows, and the funny inventory window behaviors, we'd be golden.

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Lindal Kidd

Cat Gisel

Registered User

Join date: 28 Nov 2006

Posts: 33

02-20-2008 11:09

I am also a fan of dark, with light text on the same dark background. My screen is backlit, it's not a piece of paper, and looks like it's not going to be a piece of paper any time soon.

Lindens (or creative others out there who got this when it was code released, or what was it) please us the ability to EDIT these colours/skins/whatever you want to call them... (Like Winamp and StyleXP themes) THEN you will have something. For now I will stick with simple. Dark, and simple

I have so many windows on my screen it's just more obtrusive with the silver-blue that it was already. Hehe.

Derbor Torok

Lost soul

Join date: 21 Jun 2007

Posts: 1,016

02-20-2008 11:18

From: Lindal Kidd

Me three. And I like the changes in 1.19 even more.

Now, if they'd only fix the bugs like the cursor sticking in the communicate and chat windows, and the funny inventory window behaviors, we'd be golden.

Me four.. one of the reasons i am not using the Nicholaz client...

.d

Bradley Bracken

Goodbye, Farewell, Amen

Join date: 2 Apr 2007

Posts: 3,856

02-20-2008 11:20

From: Derbor Torok

Me four.. one of the reasons i am not using the Nicholaz client...

.d

That's the same with me. I keep hearing how wonderful the Nicholaz client is and I would love to give it a try but not until there's an option with the new communications window.

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Cat Gisel

Registered User

Join date: 28 Nov 2006

Posts: 33

02-20-2008 11:29

I have to say this if nothing else started me looking for alternative viewers. OnRez has the good old friendslist back! YAY! Plus I can shrink my windows. What other ones are out there? It's neat but still too bright for me...

Toy Halfpint

Eats Paintchips

Join date: 23 Jan 2008

Posts: 88

02-20-2008 12:00

Dazzled---no
Annoyed--yes

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Ceera Murakami

Texture Artist / Builder

Join date: 9 Sep 2005

Posts: 7,750

02-20-2008 13:08

From: Oryx Tempel

Ceera,
I don't understand what you're getting at here. In my Dazzle, all the unused windows are virtually transparant when not in use. I actually found it difficult (for a split second) to remember where I had put my edit window because it was so subdued and clear.

Odd. I tried again today, and the unfocussed windoes were 40% or so transparent at the edges, and maybe 10 to 20% transparent in the text display areas, like in the local chat history. I could have sworn the first time that the dark blue field where the chat history was displayed was about as transparent as a brick of lead... I'm on the Mac client, by the way. Haven't tried yet with my Windows sytem.

Maybe I was just blinded by the glare of the overly-bright UI...

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Michael Bigwig

~VRML Aficionado~

Join date: 5 Dec 2005

Posts: 2,181

02-20-2008 13:18

FYI:

All of the 3d artists I've known personally and worked with ALWAYS set their applications UI to a darker set...not lighter. A lot of them make the main look dark gray with lighter grays and reds as the accents and highlights...or they go dark gray.

Never, ever, do you see a cg artist make their UI a lighter, powder-puff color. I know I know...a few of you are saying, 'well, who cares what a designer/modeler thinks'...well, I bring it up because SO many of us in SL are cg artists, builders, and designers...

If LL took note, they'd see that the general graphic and 3D applications sway towards a gray theme--this has been a widely accepted, and unobtrusive color scheme for design and modeling.

The most preferred design color scheme for me:
http://discussion.autodesk.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/223-511218-5368466-127400/MC_MaxView.jpg

The second preffered design scheme:
http://mentallic.planetunreal.gamespy.com/Tutorial/Images/UI.jpg

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Xio Jester

Killed the King.

Join date: 13 Nov 2006

Posts: 813

02-20-2008 13:18

From: Farallon Greyskin

I tried it out when it was just a "skin".

The one real problem with it is that it is far too bright, the UI becomes the main focus and the graphics fade into the background.

When you inn a dark area or the lights are low in your room/office the brilliant UI is a real eyestrain

What they need to do is make it so you can change the brightness/color/transparency of the UI. Then this wouldn't be an issue. I mean the entire UI is rendered in the 3d pipeline as it is, why not give us control over it's appearance?

Hell "Even Windows" allows you to change to color of the UI.

I agree 100%, I didn't even install it yet (not sure I want to), but the screenshot alone almost made me dizzy. I like the fact that in the Blog, both UIs are there for comparison in the same pic...showing how much easier it is to read the current UI in-world...ridiculous.

...and the idea of forcing all of us to use to BEFORE letting us make custom skins, or change color & contrast is stupid.

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Darien Caldwell

Registered User

Join date: 12 Oct 2006

Posts: 3,127

02-20-2008 13:23

From: Ann Launay

I was thinking more like:

Darn, you beat me to it, exactly what I was thinking

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Rhaorth Antonelli

Registered User

Join date: 15 Apr 2006

Posts: 7,425

02-20-2008 13:31

From: Bradley Bracken

Maybe that's why I'm not very sympathetic. I love the new communications window and have from day one. I think it's far from what it should be but I like it much more than what it was.

I like the new communications window too, have ever since they came out with it (once I learned to rip off the history tab LOL)

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Morpheus Linden: But then I change avs pretty often too, so often, I look nothing like my avatar.

They are taking away the forums... it could be worse, they could be taking away the forums AND Second Life...

Kalderi Tomsen

Nomad Extraordinaire!

Join date: 10 May 2007

Posts: 888

02-21-2008 09:15

The idea of having UI "skins" would be a very, very good one - you see it on so many bits of software nowadays. Then everyone can have it exactly the way they like it. Is there a JIRA I can vote for somewhere that suggests UI skins?

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Are you Dazzled?
Bradley Bracken Goodbye, Farewell, Amen Join date: 2 Apr 2007 Posts: 3,856	02-20-2008 10:26 From: Lindal Kidd It's true that a lot of the complaints about the new Communicate window weren't addressed. Maybe that's why I'm not very sympathetic. I love the new communications window and have from day one. I think it's far from what it should be but I like it much more than what it was. I did break down and try Dazzle even though I said I wouldn't. A friend convinced me to give it a try because he really liked it. At first I found it difficult. It glared in my eyes. I was worried I wasn't going to be able to use it for very long. After about an hour and a half though I got so I liked it. Now, I've put it away. I'm done with my brief test and I'll wait until it's fully released. _____________________ My interest in SL has simply died. Thanks for all the laughs
Trolane Demonia Registered User Join date: 26 Jan 2008 Posts: 150	02-20-2008 10:26 the dazzle client looks fine to me. light blues and better text accent especially in the inventory management.
Oryx Tempel Registered User Join date: 8 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,663	02-20-2008 10:35 From: Bradley Bracken Maybe that's why I'm not very sympathetic. I love the new communications window and have from day one. I think it's far from what it should be but I like it much more than what it was. I do too. _____________________
Lindal Kidd Dances With Noobs Join date: 26 Jun 2007 Posts: 8,371	02-20-2008 10:42 From: Oryx Tempel I do too. Me three. And I like the changes in 1.19 even more. Now, if they'd only fix the bugs like the cursor sticking in the communicate and chat windows, and the funny inventory window behaviors, we'd be golden. _____________________ It's still My World and My Imagination! So there. Lindal Kidd
Cat Gisel Registered User Join date: 28 Nov 2006 Posts: 33	02-20-2008 11:09 I am also a fan of dark, with light text on the same dark background. My screen is backlit, it's not a piece of paper, and looks like it's not going to be a piece of paper any time soon. Lindens (or creative others out there who got this when it was code released, or what was it) please us the ability to EDIT these colours/skins/whatever you want to call them... (Like Winamp and StyleXP themes) THEN you will have something. For now I will stick with simple. Dark, and simple I have so many windows on my screen it's just more obtrusive with the silver-blue that it was already. Hehe.
Derbor Torok Lost soul Join date: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 1,016	02-20-2008 11:18 From: Lindal Kidd Me three. And I like the changes in 1.19 even more. Now, if they'd only fix the bugs like the cursor sticking in the communicate and chat windows, and the funny inventory window behaviors, we'd be golden. Me four.. one of the reasons i am not using the Nicholaz client... .d
Bradley Bracken Goodbye, Farewell, Amen Join date: 2 Apr 2007 Posts: 3,856	02-20-2008 11:20 From: Derbor Torok Me four.. one of the reasons i am not using the Nicholaz client... .d That's the same with me. I keep hearing how wonderful the Nicholaz client is and I would love to give it a try but not until there's an option with the new communications window. _____________________ My interest in SL has simply died. Thanks for all the laughs
Cat Gisel Registered User Join date: 28 Nov 2006 Posts: 33	02-20-2008 11:29 I have to say this if nothing else started me looking for alternative viewers. OnRez has the good old friendslist back! YAY! Plus I can shrink my windows. What other ones are out there? It's neat but still too bright for me...
Toy Halfpint Eats Paintchips Join date: 23 Jan 2008 Posts: 88	02-20-2008 12:00 Dazzled---no Annoyed--yes _____________________ "I'll do the stupid thing first and then you shy people follow..." - Ex Mentor (3 yrs) - Ex SL Instructor (3 yrs) - Ex Live Helper (2 yrs) I learned my lesson
Ceera Murakami Texture Artist / Builder Join date: 9 Sep 2005 Posts: 7,750	02-20-2008 13:08 From: Oryx Tempel Ceera, I don't understand what you're getting at here. In my Dazzle, all the unused windows are virtually transparant when not in use. I actually found it difficult (for a split second) to remember where I had put my edit window because it was so subdued and clear. Odd. I tried again today, and the unfocussed windoes were 40% or so transparent at the edges, and maybe 10 to 20% transparent in the text display areas, like in the local chat history. I could have sworn the first time that the dark blue field where the chat history was displayed was about as transparent as a brick of lead... I'm on the Mac client, by the way. Haven't tried yet with my Windows sytem. Maybe I was just blinded by the glare of the overly-bright UI... _____________________ Sorry, LL won't let me tell you where I sell my textures and where I offer my services as a sim builder. Ask me in-world.
Michael Bigwig ~VRML Aficionado~ Join date: 5 Dec 2005 Posts: 2,181	02-20-2008 13:18 FYI: All of the 3d artists I've known personally and worked with ALWAYS set their applications UI to a darker set...not lighter. A lot of them make the main look dark gray with lighter grays and reds as the accents and highlights...or they go dark gray. Never, ever, do you see a cg artist make their UI a lighter, powder-puff color. I know I know...a few of you are saying, 'well, who cares what a designer/modeler thinks'...well, I bring it up because SO many of us in SL are cg artists, builders, and designers... If LL took note, they'd see that the general graphic and 3D applications sway towards a gray theme--this has been a widely accepted, and unobtrusive color scheme for design and modeling. The most preferred design color scheme for me: http://discussion.autodesk.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/223-511218-5368466-127400/MC_MaxView.jpg The second preffered design scheme: http://mentallic.planetunreal.gamespy.com/Tutorial/Images/UI.jpg _____________________ ~Michael Bigwig __________________________________________________Lead Designer, Glowbox Designs
Xio Jester Killed the King. Join date: 13 Nov 2006 Posts: 813	02-20-2008 13:18 From: Farallon Greyskin I tried it out when it was just a "skin". The one real problem with it is that it is far too bright, the UI becomes the main focus and the graphics fade into the background. When you inn a dark area or the lights are low in your room/office the brilliant UI is a real eyestrain What they need to do is make it so you can change the brightness/color/transparency of the UI. Then this wouldn't be an issue. I mean the entire UI is rendered in the 3d pipeline as it is, why not give us control over it's appearance? Hell "Even Windows" allows you to change to color of the UI. I agree 100%, I didn't even install it yet (not sure I want to), but the screenshot alone almost made me dizzy. I like the fact that in the Blog, both UIs are there for comparison in the same pic...showing how much easier it is to read the current UI in-world...ridiculous. ...and the idea of forcing all of us to use to BEFORE letting us make custom skins, or change color & contrast is stupid. _____________________ ~ In Shakespeare, 'Tis The Fool Who Speaks The Most Profound Truth. ~ http://slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&MerchantID=37521
Darien Caldwell Registered User Join date: 12 Oct 2006 Posts: 3,127	02-20-2008 13:23 From: Ann Launay I was thinking more like: Darn, you beat me to it, exactly what I was thinking _____________________
Rhaorth Antonelli Registered User Join date: 15 Apr 2006 Posts: 7,425	02-20-2008 13:31 From: Bradley Bracken Maybe that's why I'm not very sympathetic. I love the new communications window and have from day one. I think it's far from what it should be but I like it much more than what it was. I like the new communications window too, have ever since they came out with it (once I learned to rip off the history tab LOL) _____________________ From: someone Morpheus Linden: But then I change avs pretty often too, so often, I look nothing like my avatar. They are taking away the forums... it could be worse, they could be taking away the forums AND Second Life...
Kalderi Tomsen Nomad Extraordinaire! Join date: 10 May 2007 Posts: 888	02-21-2008 09:15 The idea of having UI "skins" would be a very, very good one - you see it on so many bits of software nowadays. Then everyone can have it exactly the way they like it. Is there a JIRA I can vote for somewhere that suggests UI skins? _____________________ Kalderi, General Manager, Hosoi Ichiba and Hosoi Design - - - Hosoi Ichiba - High Quality Classically-styled Asian buildings, furniture and home decorations in an old-fashioned Japanese market garden on Japan Kanto. http://hosoi-ichiba.blogspot.com/ Hosoi Design - High Quality prefabs and furnishings, plus commercial buildings.

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