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Are you Dazzled?

Farallon Greyskin
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02-19-2008 19:46
I tried it out when it was just a "skin".

The one real problem with it is that it is far too bright, the UI becomes the main focus and the graphics fade into the background.

When you inn a dark area or the lights are low in your room/office the brilliant UI is a real eyestrain :(

What they need to do is make it so you can change the brightness/color/transparency of the UI. Then this wouldn't be an issue. I mean the entire UI is rendered in the 3d pipeline as it is, why not give us control over it's appearance?

Hell "Even Windows" allows you to change to color of the UI.
Brenda Connolly
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02-19-2008 19:50
I like the current setup just fine. No need to switch.
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Colette Meiji
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02-19-2008 19:51
From: Raymond Figtree
Also, check out this one authored by our very own Jumpy:

http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/02/19/fo'shizzle/


did they take this down?

I got 404 error.
Teeny Leviathan
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02-19-2008 20:26
If it has nothing to do with Windlight, I am not interested.
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Kathy Morellet
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Join date: 26 Jul 2006
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02-19-2008 20:40
Well, I tried it and had to close it because I was literally getting a headache from it.

I am all for "under the hood" improvements for stability and performance but this color scheme, for me, is awful.

I really think they need to give us the ability to change the colors because beauty really IS in the eye of the beholder. Blue really is my favorite color but, the way they used it here just does not work.
Infrared Wind
Gridologist
Join date: 7 Jan 2007
Posts: 662
02-19-2008 22:00
It's TOO BRIGHT.

Contrast between background and foreground is too low.

If they're going to force this Dazzling piece of work on us at some point I
only hope they will offer a light and dark version.

Or at least a way to do it ourselves.
Bradley Bracken
Goodbye, Farewell, Amen
Join date: 2 Apr 2007
Posts: 3,856
02-19-2008 22:14
Remember folks, this was in the blog:

From: someone
We recommend trying Dazzle out and giving it at least a week to get used to — don’t just glance at screenshots, use it in your everyday Second Life — and let us know your feedback. As part of the “First Look” cycle, we’ll pay attention to your constructive criticism and use it to refine Dazzle further.


And this....

From: someone
What can I do to help?

Glad you asked! Please report Dazzle-specific bugs on our Issue Tracker so we can fix ‘em.


We hear all this resistance to change every time there's an upgrade or change. It's a First Look Viewer. If you have issues with it, then let LL life know, that's part of what it's all about.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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02-19-2008 22:17
Downloaded and starting up now

I like the new login screen, easy on the eyes, soft colors, not harsh at all.

well so far I love it, and hope that this will become the new interface (well for me it will be as I will continue to use this one)
I love how the inventory color codes the info such as copy and no mod etc

it is sooo much easier on my eyes, I no longer feel like I have to squint to withstand the starkness.

I like it.... a lot.
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Sylvia Trilling
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Join date: 2 Oct 2006
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02-20-2008 00:25
I like it. Dark text on a light background makes my eyes and my brain happier. Didn't realize how much that white text was giving me eyestrain.
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Nina Stepford
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Join date: 26 Mar 2007
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02-20-2008 01:47
if anything i'd love an option to revert to the old pre-voice ui :(
Nibb Tardis
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Join date: 18 Feb 2006
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02-20-2008 02:12
If they roll it out, they really need to have a way to select at least predefined color shemes including the old one, like winamp or windows does.

The icons suck, especially the ones at the top of the window. No script has become "forbidden cogwheels", No fly looks like "No arrows under armpits allowed" and no push looks like "no falling down on your butt".

I also have an issue about making things easier for new users. Now, before you can help new users to figure out how to send an IM or to unmute a friend, you'll have to ask them which language and which version they are using.
Max Herzog
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Join date: 9 Jul 2006
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02-20-2008 02:12
From: Nina Stepford
if anything i'd love an option to revert to the old pre-voice ui :(


Absolutely. To emphasize this point, my post is sepia-tinted.
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Ceera Murakami
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Join date: 9 Sep 2005
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02-20-2008 06:27
Gack.

I couldn't bear to use it more than a few minutes. Even on my new 1920 x 1200 22" cinema display, the UI takes up WAY too much space, and now is so opaque when things are open that I may as well quit interacting with those around me whenever I have to have any UI windows open.

Way too bright. And most importantly the windows that are open but not focussed on are now COMPLETELY OPAQUE except for the borders. You can't see ANYTHING that is going on behind them!

Most of the changes, I could live with, if forced to. But they MUST make the open windows at least 40% transparent when they are not the one being focussed on.

Guess I am going to have to practice my XML hacking, so I can revert this abortion to something usable, once they force it down our throats.

The ONLY saving grace would be if they also included an option to load OTHER color scheme skins, including a way to revert to the current one.

Bottom line: It's candyfluff and bright colors to distract the easily-distracted from any real issues. This UI change isn't useful or helpful in my estimation. Not when there are so many OTHER UI changes that could have made a real difference in usability, like eliminating that overly-large Communicate chatterbox UI.
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Conifer Dada
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02-20-2008 06:42
I'm not a conservative type and most changes LL make are improvemnts. Not sure if the new Dazzle is more to my liking, though - I like the current UI. It would be good if it was customisable for colours, though!
Michael Bigwig
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Join date: 5 Dec 2005
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02-20-2008 06:43
Oh my, my new UI has the blues...

That's about the only difference. Way to go LL. What, did Phillip give his niece something to do when she came to the office?

'Here, sweetie...play with Uncle Linden's UI in Photoshop...have fun, I'll be back later.'
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Brenda Connolly
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02-20-2008 07:53
I stayed with it for an hour before uninstalling it. the colors just don't agree with my eyes. As far as the layout, I still despise that comm box, that alone keeps me using Nicholaz viewers. And why do we need a search box in 2 places? I personaly find the Packet/Bandwith bars far more useful. The actual XPish style doesn't bother me, just the color scheme I find very difficult to cope with.
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Yumi Murakami
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Join date: 27 Sep 2005
Posts: 6,860
02-20-2008 07:54
It looks quite nice, but anything which doesn't get rid of the way-too-big and way-too-overloaded Communicate window isn't an improvement for me. :(
Kathy Morellet
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Join date: 26 Jul 2006
Posts: 809
02-20-2008 08:22
Just tried to use it again to give it a chance. Am I dazzled? Not in the least. Not near enough pain reliever in the house to use this for a week.

Clicking uninstall...
Maklin Deckard
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Join date: 9 Apr 2005
Posts: 459
02-20-2008 08:50
From: Bradley Bracken
We hear all this resistance to change every time there's an upgrade or change. It's a First Look Viewer. If you have issues with it, then let LL life know, that's part of what it's all about.



I call BS on this one..... Using something that sucks *ss and is going to be FORCED on you wiht no changes regardless of constructive or not complaints (like Commcenter was) doesn't make you grow to like it. That's more Torley cheeful-idiocy....I tried commcenter, hated it. Got it forced on me in the main client, still hated it. Just using something doesn't make you grow to like it.

Dazzle is the fisher-price PlaySkool color scheme of UI's. What's next?...adding glow to the UI? Is there any possible way to make it more annoyingly 'in your face' and on top of the world?
Lindal Kidd
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02-20-2008 09:05
From: Maklin Deckard
I call BS on this one..... Using something that sucks *ss and is going to be FORCED on you wiht no changes regardless of constructive or not complaints (like Commcenter was) doesn't make you grow to like it. That's more Torley cheeful-idiocy....I tried commcenter, hated it. Got it forced on me in the main client, still hated it. Just using something doesn't make you grow to like it.

Dazzle is the fisher-price PlaySkool color scheme of UI's. What's next?...adding glow to the UI? Is there any possible way to make it more annoyingly 'in your face' and on top of the world?


It's true that a lot of the complaints about the new Communicate window weren't addressed. On the other hand, the WindLight team has been doing a pretty good job of listening to the user feedback. The only thing you can do is use the Feedback forums and the JIRA to make yourself heard. Whinging about it here won't do any good.
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Maklin Deckard
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02-20-2008 09:10
From: Lindal Kidd
It's true that a lot of the complaints about the new Communicate window weren't addressed. On the other hand, the WindLight team has been doing a pretty good job of listening to the user feedback. The only thing you can do is use the Feedback forums and the JIRA to make yourself heard. Whinging about it here won't do any good.


And unless you agree with the small clique that runs the jira and slavishly fanboy to the lindens, your JIRA entry gets deleted, merged or edited to unrecognizability. The lindens do NOT listen once they get a idea in their heads. Windlight? I like it a lot (only client I use now) but I have not seen many user-suggested changes get made...it is still overly bright making the world look cartoonish regardless of jira posts and office hours where it was brought up.

The lindens ONLY listen when enough people complain loudly enough and publically enough for enough time it becomes an irritant to them (aka, adfarms) or a public embarrassment (banks) Granted, sometimes it takes years to get their attention, but JIRA is a certain route to file-13 status.
Oryx Tempel
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02-20-2008 09:20
From: Ceera Murakami
Way too bright. And most importantly the windows that are open but not focussed on are now COMPLETELY OPAQUE except for the borders. You can't see ANYTHING that is going on behind them!

Most of the changes, I could live with, if forced to. But they MUST make the open windows at least 40% transparent when they are not the one being focussed on.

Ceera,
I don't understand what you're getting at here. In my Dazzle, all the unused windows are virtually transparant when not in use. I actually found it difficult (for a split second) to remember where I had put my edit window because it was so subdued and clear. :confused:
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Marianne McCann
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02-20-2008 09:52
Hmn... I must be part of the JIRA running clique. Who knew?

Mari
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Bradley Bracken
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02-20-2008 10:02
From: Marianne McCann
Hmn... I must be part of the JIRA running clique. Who knew?

Mari


Thank you for being a part of the solution rather than the problem. Kudos to you. :)
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Lindal Kidd
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02-20-2008 10:15
From: Maklin Deckard
And unless you agree with the small clique that runs the jira and slavishly fanboy to the lindens, your JIRA entry gets deleted, merged or edited to unrecognizability. The lindens do NOT listen once they get a idea in their heads. Windlight? I like it a lot (only client I use now) but I have not seen many user-suggested changes get made...it is still overly bright making the world look cartoonish regardless of jira posts and office hours where it was brought up.

The lindens ONLY listen when enough people complain loudly enough and publically enough for enough time it becomes an irritant to them (aka, adfarms) or a public embarrassment (banks) Granted, sometimes it takes years to get their attention, but JIRA is a certain route to file-13 status.


Maklin, it's clear we're not going to agree on this, so I'll make one final comment and then shut up. If you take this sort of aggressive tone with your official comments, it's no wonder they get ignored or deleted. You have to take a dispassionate approach. You have to document your findings. "It sucks" is not an actionable comment. "When I do thus and so, with such and such a system, the software fails in this way" works better. Submittting screen captures to show what you are talking about works better. Submitting your viewer settings along with the screen captures is a good idea too, if we're talking WindLight esthetics.

JIRA clique? Geez, ANOTHER one? When will these darn cliques go away? I've submitted numerous JIRA posts. Most of them have been "resolved" as duplicates (because I'm so poor at searching that elephant, I guess). I don't mind...just so long as it's getting worked. I'm quite satisfied with the way the JIRA process works (although I think the site itself is one of the hardest to navigate I've ever seen). But then, any database that tries to track bug reports from thousands of users of a complex software package is bound to be unwieldy, I think.

I'll wind up by repeating myself. Bitching about LL in this forum may feel good, but it butters no parsnips. Submit your comments in the comment channels. Or, if you really think that's useless, don't. But in that case, don't bitch.
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