Getting my parcel to show up in new search

yeesh that's gratitude for ya huh?? :\

not to pick up on a now-scabby thread, but i just found now that -my- main mature home plot (that i'd been crabbing about in regards to thief/search standing) - has disappeared from search too!!! ( it was there last i checked just this past afternoon... and now 'poof' it is gone. (my pg plot remains, but that is not my 'main' plot that i want to feature so much.)

so i dunno - there may very well be something deeply buggy (or hackable?? :\ i am a target after all) about the search api. have not changed -anything- to my listings since tweaking last week.

p.s. i -did- have both pg and mature plot named exactly the same; in case the api is overwriting one with the other, i've renamed pg subtly to see if this will help both reappear. (since mature is the missing one and unchanged in name, hopefully that will accurately test that hypothesis...)

I'm sorry if I seem ungrateful, I'm glad you tried to help, but as I've said the links make no difference. I've had to file a second support ticket to get my plot re-listed, hopefully this time it will stick.

But if SL's search is working as you're describing, then it simply is not designed to search SL at all, which is what I'm trying to get at.

i thot SL's search was based on, and system operated, by the same system as Google. they are linked, in essence. if the SL search is borked, it's because the Google search system created for it is borked.

thanks Phil. you may stop banging you head against the wall now.

did you put it in your picks? did you set your avatar to show in search? did you make ANY change whatsoever on your land? these are all things to consider.

never saw a 'real' apology that uses the word "but". that's just rationalizing rude behavior. you are behaving ignorantly, throwing out sage advice, and you are very impatient. in the blog LL TELLS YOU that picks make a difference in search, Phil has explained it to you, and i am telling you it matters. if you choose to ignore all that and whine to LL about something that YOU can do about it, then i'm already pretty much done wasting my time on you too.

We agree on that. We've said a long time ago that, by using the Google search appliance, LL is trying to squeeze a square problem into a round solution.

The parcel names shouldn't make any difference at all, especially since it didn't make any difference until now.

I wonder if the system really is full. Remember, LL paid for the appliiance to crawl and index up to nnnnn number of pages, and they may have underestimated the number needed - hence saving some money. If it's full, then indexed pages will drop out as more (new) ones are created and crawled before some of the existing ones - perhaps due to the glut of new land. The old pages would still exist, but the crawler would stop crawling before it got to them, and they won't be listed because they are not in the index.

i don't think it's just the new land. consider this: every avatar that has chosen to show in search that is actually a 'searchable avatar' is also being indexed. AND, everytime a change is made to an item in the listing, it has to index a new page (and the old page still remains in search for several days, slowing dropping off). with all these things combined, i think you are on to something...

Yep. I forgot about avs and things like that.

There are at least 2 indexes, and I think there are at least 3. Whether or not they add together for the total crawl capacity, I've no idea, but I'm inclined to doubt it.

Thinking of just one index: Pages are created every 12 hours, and they replace the previous set of pages. Then the engine crawls and indexes the new set, and the index is new. The old pages don't remain, and the old index doesn't remain. So there is no accumulation of old and new. In practise, one index will be updated by crawling the new set of pages, while another index is used to provide results. Then the new index will be copied to the other index(es). It's not quite as straight forward as that, because different results are seen by different people at the same time, but that's the gist of it.

The reason why pages drop out, and aren't included, is because they are not being indexed. I can't see that as being a fault with the appliance. My best thinking is that the crawl capacity is full before the crawler reaches them, or the pages are not being created for some reason.

p.s. wow okay, my mature plot -has- returned to search, maybe only gone a matter of hours... that was very odd. the listings hadn't yet registered my very minor pg name change, so yeah - whatcha saying ...

hmmm vexing prob, i feared my listing was going to disappear for long like the op. :\ good luck on sussing out the prob; thanks for all your help.

Did the additional Picks make any difference to your original problem?

... well - the thief is still #1 in 'bodyoil'; i am at #2 though now right behind lol i hate to say i knocked a legit competitor ('last-i-knew', it is at least a different oil out of the way to do so - lol i am not -that- cutthroat about my biz; big believer in customers deciding for themselves what is right for them. i'm pissed that the thief is still ahead of -all- of us in the listings...

After reading this thread, I tried searching for my land for the LULZ. Even though I don't have it listed yet (not worth it, no real inventory) it showed up in search just fine as one of my own picks. That, and it's the top find when searched by the whole name because I named it kinda weirdly. (^_^)

Not only that, but I just randomly discovered that the region I bought into is actually quite high in (real) traffic ratings so I'm feeling on top of the world at the moment. \(^_^)/

Now... Time to hit the sandboxes and make some fun stuff to sell. (=_=)y

Get some more Picks. The chances are you won't need all that many to take the #1 spot.

The/a "master page" (it looks like the one I found is the root of the crawler, but there could be more of them I guess) has 6 links:
* agents
* classifieds
* events
* groups
* regions
* traffic

(Which would suggest that places are only found through either avie picks, the region page or if it has enough traffic to warrant listing on the traffic pages)

Agents: this one is a bit odd. It has a major header for each day of the week, each followed by 30 links to pages full of avie names.

Classifieds: subcategorized into All and 13 "Top XXX" categories (would suggest that the top 10 paying classifieds used to get a total of 14 incoming links and so on, but all the end pages linked to don't exist anymore so it's essentially useless)

Events: a page with 4 links to all events happening on that day (at this time May 19th through May 22nd)

Groups: 256 links (based on the first two "letters" of their UUID)

Regions: 16 links (based on the first "letter" of their UUID)

Traffic: 12 links of "Top XXX" categories (I already found out about this a while ago so that was to be expected)

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The master pages can not be found from search so I'm going to assume that LL doesn't want their links posted and even if not, I can see far too many "bad" uses (ie crawling the entire search for datamining purposes) so don't ask for the link(s) .

i know some people.

can i have the url to the links?

Only for the proper bribe (think lots and lots of choc-chip cookies) .

ooh, a double dare right back at me. this was unexpected.

hmmmm this could be good.

Assume the spider starts with the first URL, and that there aren't multiple spiders:

Since the OP's place isn't in the Picks of any av that's set to show in search, and since Classifieds are removed from the All search (dead links), the next item to be crawled is Groups. I didn't check if the group is set to show in search or not, but if it isn't, we are down to the Regions pages, and we're getting near the end (after those there are only the 12 traffic pages left, and it wouldn't matter, or be noticed, if they never get crawled). Depending on where the region is in the crawling process, the crawling capacity could become full before the crawler reaches the OP's region. If the crawling capacity really is the problem, then Picks from avaters that are set to show in search is essential, and when I joined this thread, there were none.

Groups only link back to the founder though, not any land owned by it.

(And I actually just looked through this thread from end back to your post and then stopped The region page isn't showing in search? )

In that case, there are no links to the parcel coming from there, because the owner of the group is set *not* to show in search, and even if he sets it, there were no Picks to the parcel in his profile.

It is listed. What I suggested is that it may not be indexed, and if it isn't indexed, then the links from it to the parcels aren't indexed. What Google does is gather links from pages, and there are times when it has links but it hasn't crawled the destination pages. In those cases, it still ranks the links in the results, when the link text matches the searchterm. It's possible that the LL system lindexed the link to the region page, but didn't crawl/index the page itself. I didn't study it - it was just a possibility.

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If the link to the region page is indexed, but not the page itself, then it's the URL that would be listed, and that's not the case, so the region page is indexed.

Kitty: your PMs are full, and need some cleared out.

Oops .

There's some breathing room now .

Also my parcel is not listed anymore. The last weeks i was listed every day. Also i recognized each day a better position in search output.
At monday last week my parcel was the first time gone. Tuesday available at Site 5. Friday available Site 4. This weeks monday gone, Tuesday gone.
My Region is listed, i have a Pick in my profile, also many other avas have a Pick in their profile.
I havent changed ANYTHING during the last weeks. Just got more and more Picks for my parcel and raised position in search output.

I think this is a bug, depending on a "full index" or something else.

If my parcel would be found on page 20+ then it doesnt matter to me if listed or not. But i was on page 4, this means a big decrease on business.

I hope LL get this sorted out soon.

i think what's happening is that people are finding out that the new all search is not entirely dependent on picks. there's a lot more to it. obviously, someone is good at keeping a secret.