Getting my parcel to show up in new search

So I'm finally opening my new store after various product delays, however after two weeks it still hasn't appeared in the new search! I've set it to be listed in search, and it has the same settings as my old store, yet it won't appear!

It appears fine in the old places tab =(

Anyone got any ideas what I can do to get my parcel to appear in the new search? I've already tried switching search off then on again.

Doesn't it even appear if you search on exactly your busienss name? I assume that is in the parcel naming as well, if it doesnt show up this way, something obviously is wrong.
Also try searching from another Sim, it seems Seach Issues can be Sim related (learned that from a Live chat a while ago).

What is your parcel/store name so I can try a search later on today?

I had a similar problem until I set a landing point in the About Land, Options tab. Go figure... *rolling eyes*! Took me almost 2 weeks too.

the new search takes a while to refresh. took my shop 2 days to show up, maybe just wait a bit

edit: sorry didnt see the part where you sayed you allready waited 2 weeks...

It's the renara.com store. The annoying thing is that it returns a result for the region Tarner (where it is) and appears under that listing if I search for words in the parcel name. But searching for the parcel name (partial or in full) or any of the words in the description returns nothing =(

I have spoken tothe Lindens about this - it is a known issue and should be fixed very shortly (well, fingers crossed on the 'very' bit)

Hmm, I'm submitting a support ticket then, because now I need to keep paying for the extra land my old store takes up, AND am wasting money trying to list a parcel. I intend to get a refund because this is ridiculous, they've phased in a search that doesn't work =/

Haravikk, I see neither of your stores listed in the Search/All tab, whereas both appear in the Places tab.

I only just re-listed the old one (Camlann Tarl) so I'm hoping it'll just be a couple of days, if not then I might start getting really annoyed =(

So today I'm seeing both regions where your shops are listed, but not the shops themselves. I wonder if it's the ".com" part of the parcel name? It doesn't make a lot of sense, but what happens if you named the parcel to "Renara - yaddah keywords yaddah"?

Hrm, that's extremely strange, as now my main store has magically appeared, though if that is due to my support ticket or not I do not know (since it had changed to "Work in progress".

It now appears for "Renara" and "Renara.com" as well as other keywords to varying degrees as I would expect. It's an absolute mystery to me though.

oooooh good for you - i've heard of that bug and rue'd about ever experiencing it. :\ might've been the support tix - definitely when something like that happens, try to bend the ear of a linden... glad it's resolved for ya.

I was thinking about some aspects of search, and the reason why some places are not listed in the new search crossed my mind. So if you're still looking in the forum...

The parcel's html page needs to be linked to from somewhere for it to be found by the new search spider. Your old store at Camlann Tarl is linked to by someone called var Zeno having it in her Picks, so it is listed in the new search.

You don't have the new store in your Picks. You have a Pick to the Camlann Tarl store, but not to the new store. So first you need to add the new store to your Picks.

Then you need to set your profile to show in search. You have yourself set to *not* show in search, so you don't have an html page for the Picks links to be put in. If you don't want your profile to be shown in search, then get someone else who has an html page to add the new store to their Picks.

Renara has the new store in her Picks, but she too is set to *not* show in search. She also needs to set herself to show in search.

The 2 group html pages are no good for it either unless you and Renara set yourselves to show in search. Then they will help slightly.

In a nutshell, it looks like there are no links to your new store's html page, and you need links to it for it to be found by the spider.

That's my theory. It's not guaranteed to be correct, but I'd be surprised if doing those things doesn't solve the problem a few days later.

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I've just seen that the new store's html page does have a link to it from the region's html page. Even so, I'd still do those things to see if it makes a difference.

While I believe linking is used to better weight results (though still easily gamed), it isn't required, though I suspect the spider will find pages more easily if they are linked from as many places as possible. But that should be an issue of how quickly a parcel becomes listed, which is meant to be up to 2 days.

Simply enabling search for the parcel will provide a link to the spider, not sure where it enters the system but it does somewhere. I never changed my picks etc. for the parcel but it is now listed, no idea how or why.

Without a link to the parcel's page, it won't be found by the spider. As I understand it, the system is given starting URLs but not a list of URLs to index, so it does need interlinking to find pages. More than 1 link doesn't help the spider at all.

Your parcel is linked to from the region page, but I would still add links from both of your Picks (set yourselves to show in search, and add a Pick to your profile).

i think you're on to something may be a clue to the underlying bug(s) of it...

I thought I was too, until I saw that the parcel is already linked to from the region page. The region page is being indexed, so the crawler will find the links it contains, and from there, the destination pages. And yet, although the parcel's page exists, it isn't being indexed. I'd certainly throw some links at it in the form of Picks, just to see if it makes a difference.

There is one possibility that comes to mind. Google sell that application with a limit on the number of pages it will index. The more pages, the more it costs. I suppose it's possible that the index is full. If it's full, some pages will drop out, as new ones are indexed before them, and I haven't heard of pages (parcels) dropping out, or of new pages in general not getting in.

Still couldn't hurt for Haravikk to set profile to searchable. I wondered about that too when I found that I couldn't see Haravikk's profile. Might as well add the new shop to Picks anyway.

I'd certainly do it.

I've been toying with the idea of the region page itself not being indexed, even though the system has a link to it. In that case, the link to it would be displayed, as we see in the results, and since the page does exist, we get to it by clicking the link in the results. That's something that the web Google does - lists links to pages that it knows exist, because of the links to them, but hasn't indxed the pages themselves.

But I can't see that being the case here. Since nothing we know of links to the region pages, I assume they have some master pages just for linking to them, plus probably a page with links to the master pages, and that LL uses it or them as one or more of the start URLs. So the region pages are bound to be indexed.

I don't think it's links. Renara Vandyke (my alt who "owns" my business) has a link and a classified both. My parcel has also disappeared AGAIN from search and I haven't even changed it's listing!

Links should not define whether an item is listed or not, if they are then it's the most retarded search-engine LL could have implemented. People PAY to have their parcel(s) listed, this should add their parcel's "link" to the index, or to the spider's workload immediately. I expect there's some central page somewhere that has newly listed pages so that the spider can find them for the first time.

But that wouldn't explain why my damned listing has disappeared after appearing fine a few days ago and not being changed at all =/

Then Google is the most retarted search engine anywhere, because you can't get a page into Google unless it is linked to from another page, and you never could - it's bigger than SL's Google search appliance, so it must be the most retarded

If your html page isn't linked to from another page that's indexed in the system, then it simply won't be indexed and listed in the new search. That's the way it is. Renara has it in her Picks, but she's set not to show in search, unless you've changed it, so she probably doesn't have an html page for the link to be on.

There is a link to your page from the region's page, so it should be listed if the region page is actually indexed.

A Classified gets the parcel listed in the new search, but only in the right (Classified's) column, which is not the same thing. Paying for a Classified is not known to get a parcel into the new search index. It's no good saying what "should" happen; you have to work with what actually does happen.

The act of selecting "Show Place in Search" SHOULD be all the linking that a parcel requires. Whether it's handled in the background as an invisible link I couldn't care less, but what you seem to be describing is a system that does not do this, and if that's the case then it is useless as I say, because people PAY to have parcels listed.

It's no good arguing against what is. We have to work with what is. As I said, if a parcel page isn't linked to from an indexed page in the system, it won't be found by the system, and it won't be indexed. It's as simple as that. If you haven't taken the steps that I mentioned above, then I don't see the point in you starting thread and refusing to receive any help.

Btw, I'm sure that engines like Google, Yahoo! and MSN will be pleased to learn that they are retarded angines

I'm not complaining about them, I'm complaining about SL's engine and you're not listening! If "Show Place in Search" does not get a parcel listed then LL are charging L$30 a week for a feature that does NOTHING.

How the engine works is irrelevant; if it's link-based then fine, whatever, but the "Show Place in Search" option is what is supposed to be _providing_ those links. Picks and classifieds and whatever else are unimportant except as ways for people to find your store WITHOUT searching for it.

If the engine does not recognise these things then it _IS_ a retarded implementation it is doesn't have any idea about the system it's supposed to be indexing!

I came into this thread because I tried to be helpful to you with your problem, but you don't want any help, so I won't do it any more.

Before I stop, though, you really don't understand the system in SL. I've tried to tell you, but you just don't want to know. Please carry on with the way you see things.