Sexual Personality Verification
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Rocky Rutabaga
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05-17-2007 10:41
What a brilliant and funny essay! Almost as good as Swift's "...Modest Proposal." http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.htmlThanks, Lorna, for brightening my day. However, I was concerned to read that wearing a massive 10 x10 prim cube on one's head and knocking people over willy-nilly was considered rude in SL society. When did that become such a big deal? Man, the rules constantly change around here. I wish someone would send me an update once in a while.
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Yumi Murakami
DoIt!AttachTheEarOfACat!
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05-17-2007 10:53
From: CorumAnime Sixgallery Besides, you can't just ban things that anyone finds offensive. That's a slippery slope - for those who don't know, any little loss of freedom doesn't sound like a big deal, but take a few of those easy steps and you'll soon find that things you hold dear also become threatened. OMG whats next? the BDSM community? Lots of people find that offensive but why can't they just mind their own business?
The problem isn't with what people "find offensive" - the problem is dealing with things that might be illegal in certain countries. The reason this is a problem is that the nature of SL makes it difficult to divide it up. Technically speaking, someone dressed in BDSM clothes with a "sub" on a leash could walk into a PG parcel - they are not supposed to but that does not stop them doing it - and the moment the data describing that avatar is sent to your PC (which could happen if you're just in the same sim, even if you don't see them), you have 'downloaded pornography' and the police can point to your network traffic as evidence. Saying that you or LL could be blamed for that might seem a bit extreme, but the problem is that it comes down to a judgment, and by the time a judgment is made you have already been arrested for having pornography and your friends/family/boss know about it.. which is something that most people will try desperately to avoid. (And bear in mind, that case of a BDSM person walking onto a PG parcel could apply to someone who was not looking for pornography in SL and has never owned any other pornography.) A few high profile trials (trials! not convictions!) would be all it would take to have an entire country avoiding SL and that would be a bad thing for LL and everyone else..
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Yumi Murakami
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05-17-2007 10:54
From: Rocky Rutabaga What a brilliant and funny essay! Almost as good as Swift's "...Modest Proposal." http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.htmlThanks, Lorna, for brightening my day. However, I was concerned to read that wearing a massive prim cube on one's head was considered rude in SL society. When did that become such a big deal? Man, the rules constantly change around here. I wish someone would send me an update once in a while. That's a legacy thing. In current versions of SL, if you "wear" something that isn't clothing and doesn't have an attach point set, it appears in your hand. But on older versions, it appeared on your head (!). So the classic sign of a new player was someone who bought an outfit that came in a box, then wore the box on their head..
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Colette Meiji
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05-17-2007 10:56
From: Yumi Murakami That's a legacy thing. In current versions of SL, if you "wear" something that isn't clothing and doesn't have an attach point set, it appears in your hand. But on older versions, it appeared on your head (!). So the classic sign of a new player was someone who bought an outfit that came in a box, then wore the box on their head.. that was a rite of passage - My first Post ever was trying to figure out what to do with a box that I bought. (after taking it off my head)
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Chris Norse
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05-17-2007 10:58
Come on people you should have covered this in high school. Satire (from Latin satira, "medley, dish of colourful fruits"  is an artistic form, chiefly literary and dramatic, in which human or individual vices, follies, abuses, or shortcomings are held up to censure by means of ridicule, derision, burlesque, irony, or other methods, sometimes with an intent to bring about improvement. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SatireGood job Lorna!
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Annie Malaprop
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05-17-2007 11:16
I've heard that studies have shown that a certain percentage of the population is psychologically incapable of recognizing and understanding satire and sarcasm, no matter how obvious it may be to the rest of us. Threads like this prove it. (Then again, I'd like to think that in some cases it's because it's hard to recognize satire/sarcasm when reading something not written in your native language.) Great OP, btw. 
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Rusalka Renoir
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05-17-2007 11:18
Ah parody & sarcasm - the two best tools for the intelligent protester. 
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Livinda Goodliffe
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05-17-2007 11:23
Yes, can I get a Super-Double Whopper with cheese, with a side or of Sarcasm and a cup of Parody....make that a Diet Parody as I'm watching my figure.
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Brenda Connolly
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05-17-2007 11:48
From: Morwen Bunin No no.... that was about the US *points at the right school book*
*chuckles*
Morwen. Goddamnit! We were supposed to have burned those books. And just to note. this isn't the first time the humor has gone unrecognized in one of lorna's ditties. she is quickly endearing herself to me.
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Gentle Welinder
Demoness on the Loose
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05-17-2007 11:48
OMG! This is just too funny. Almost had me on the hook, but then realization dawned. It's not April 1st is it? Carry on - we need more joke threads. ;>
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Fiona Branagh
... or her equivalent.
Join date: 1 Feb 2007
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05-17-2007 12:28
Oh, that was great. I LOVE satire.
As for a later comment linking Machiavelli with a bunch of paranoid control freaks, as a historian, I mourn poor Machiavelli's bad press.
He actually wrote to make a case for practical government that should educate everyone and make regents into realistic role models for the people.
People often hear his quote "It is better to be feared than loved" without knowing the whole context - that he considered it best to be loved AND feared (fear meaning that people realize that attacking you is dangerous, not in the sense of a reign of terror - it was used in the same manner as 'fear God'), but if you could only have one instead of both, it was better to be feared because people act against people they love all the time due to selfishness, but if people are afraid of personal injury, they are much more likely to not do it to avoid the unpleasant consequence.
Another reason he said it was better to try for the latter is because you can't really get people to love you, no matter how hard you try - they either do or they don't, but you CAN get people to assume that attacking you is dangerous.
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"Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred; because he can endure very well being feared whilst he is not hated, which will always be as long as he abstains from the property of his citizens and subjects and from their women. But when it is necessary for him to proceed against the life of someone, he must do it on proper justification and for manifest cause, but above all things he must keep his hands off the property of others, because men more quickly forget the death of their father than the loss of their patrimony. "
Poor practical Machiavelli. Forever maligned.
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Sling Trebuchet
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05-17-2007 12:35
From: Gentle Welinder OMG! This is just too funny. Almost had me on the hook, but then realization dawned. It's not April 1st is it? Carry on - we need more joke threads. ;> No! We should ban both humour and humor. There's altogether too much laughing and merriment in SL. For goodness sakes people! PLEASE, PLEASE think of the sad people! Other people's happiness makes sad lonely avatars feel uncomfortable. If something makes people feel uncomfortable, then it must be bad, and should be banned.
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Colette Meiji
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05-17-2007 12:43
satire isnt really about being funny.
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Sweet Primrose
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05-17-2007 13:13
"Oh Lorna! I bow to your greatness.  " I'm with Brenda. *grins* Of course when these policies go into effect, there will only be ten people left on the grid....
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Brenda Connolly
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05-17-2007 13:15
From: Sweet Primrose "Oh Lorna! I bow to your greatness.  " I'm with Brenda. *grins* Of course when these policies go into effect, there will only be ten people left on the grid.... And eight of them will be Bots.
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Colette Meiji
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05-17-2007 13:19
From: Yumi Murakami In fact, I was invited the other day to a German-run island with adult content - on the basis that I stay only in the mall area, and I have a chaperone with me at all times (!!!). For access to the rest of the island, they are already running their own age-checking system - using a "porn pass" type service with a fee... They probably wanted to make sure you werent from that Tabloid News Show.
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Elinah Iredell
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05-17-2007 13:26
From: Lorna Languish Second Life has grown rapidly in recent months, much faster than Linden Labs are able to keep up with the necessary work of policing and controlling the resident population. This has resulted in a lot of stress recently, with griefers and other undesirables running round spoiling the experience for right-thinking residents all over the grid.
I would like to present some solutions that, together with already announced recent initiatives, will get things back on track and allow the grid to be under control once more despite there being far too many residents for Linden Labs to keep track of individually.
These solutions may seem complex, but please follow it through as I explain exactly why they are needed, how they can be implemented, and how they will solve various problems that we encounter in-world. It's really very simple and will greatly improve everyone's Second Life.
The three main systems I propose are: 1) "Personality Validation" - keep griefers off the grid 2) "Big Buddy" - detect griefing automatically 3) "Help a friend" - make it easier to report griefing.
What defines "griefing" will of course vary from person to person. It is not sufficient to merely follow the laws of the United States - other countries have other laws and they do not always cover situations that will offend others in-world. For example, I might be shopping in a mall, and someone might show up who is wearing a 10x10x10 wooden block on their head, pushing everyone out of the way just to annoy them. Or I might be exploring someone's private house, and I might find them in their bedroom, naked and doing things that are offensive in my culture. These problems all need solutions that can be automated so that griefers cannot run rampant across the grid.
Here is how each of my ideas will work in detail, to make SL a safer place for everyone.
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1)Personality Validation ======================== This is to make sure only right-thinking people are on the grid, and keep bad people away. Each resident would be required to complete a battery of tests, similar to the questionairres on okcupid.com. Given at least 100 questions answered, the system can rate various traits of the resident's personality and if anything comes up red flagged, they can be banned from the grid. Questions can be included to judge truthfulness also. This could rid the grid of undesirables such as: * Perverts * Furries * Communists * Hippies - these are just examples, the actual criteria could be worked out in a poll and voted on, or just decided by Linden Labs. Examples could include "Do you like to help people when they seem lost or are asking for help?" or "Would you consider it appropriate to roleplay sexual acts in public?" - again the effect of the answers on the 'vetting' process would be determined by poll or by Linden Labs.
2)Big Buddy =========== We all know that people's behaviour in Second Life does not always meet the standards laid down by the TOS or that normal people find acceptable. Residents might not always be aware when their behaviour might be offensive to others, or they may get carried away, or think they can get away with it.
This proposed system would protect all residents just like a helpful older sibling, by monitoring all actions and communications throughout the grid. It would notice when anything suspicious or unauthorised took place, such as griefing, spamming, foul language, or sexually explicit behavior. It would then teleport the guilty parties to a Linden Labs VR courtroom where a panel of judges would instantly make a judgement on the accused and take action such as banning them. This action would make griefing and sexually explicit activity almost unknown, overnight, and make SL a much cleaner, quieter place for normal residents to live in.
For example, two residents might be having a public discussion which turns into a violent argument. The system detects language which other residents might find offensive and teleports both residents to the VR courtroom (VRC) to discuss their actions away from other residents. Alternatively, two or more residents might be engaged in some heavy roleplaying in their dungeon, and the system might pick up on sexually explicit language or behaviours, and transport them to the VRC to discuss the matter.
This implicitly would require a panel of volunteers to be on hand to judge residents, but if this wasn't possible then a default judgement would be made by the presiding AI Agent in the VRC, thereby not adding any workload to Linden Labs.
3)Help a friend =============== There have been a lot of reports lately of Avatars and in-world content that breaks the TOS or is otherwise offensive to decent residents. This can include avatars with an offensive appearance, sexually suggestive posters, avatars made to look younger than the average resident (40) or wearing clothing that is more revealing than is accepted in society.
I propose a system in the Radial Menu, for dealing with this sort of content. The current "report abuse" option simply doesnt work. It pops up a box saying "we will NOT be telling LL about whatever you're complaining about" and there is no guarantee that anything will ever get done. Therefore, the new system will provide an immediate solution via scripted submenus. See a sexy poster on someone's land? Click it, click Report - Content - Explicit, and it will immediately be deleted and a notecard sent to the owner explaining that it caused you offense.
This system works just as easily on avatars. If you see someone in-world inappropriately dressed, unrealistically presented, too young, etc, you follow the same procedure. See a girl in a bikini who is rail-thin? Click Report - Appearance - Girth - Anorexic, and the script will immediately add a couple dozen virtual pounds to the character, likely making them look more like IRL, and preventing an idealistic sterotype from influencing any kids who are on the grid (even though they shouldnt be, they still need protecting from unrealistic idealised figures). Then click Report - Costume - inadequate, and the script will provide them with a free one piece garment that covers them from head to toe, and automatically wears it on their (new, plumper) avatar. See someone too short or young looking? Report - Appearance - too short, and it will make them a foot taller. Report - Appearance - too young, and it will add a layer of wrinkles and dial up the "saggy boobs" settings etc.
Take Care, Lorna. Lorna very good sarcasm I liked it .... Elinah
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Har Fairweather
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05-17-2007 14:14
From: Fiona Branagh Oh, that was great. I LOVE satire.
As for a later comment linking Machiavelli with a bunch of paranoid control freaks, as a historian, I mourn poor Machiavelli's bad press.
He actually wrote to make a case for practical government that should educate everyone and make regents into realistic role models for the people.
People often hear his quote "It is better to be feared than loved" without knowing the whole context - that he considered it best to be loved AND feared (fear meaning that people realize that attacking you is dangerous, not in the sense of a reign of terror - it was used in the same manner as 'fear God'), but if you could only have one instead of both, it was better to be feared because people act against people they love all the time due to selfishness, but if people are afraid of personal injury, they are much more likely to not do it to avoid the unpleasant consequence.
Another reason he said it was better to try for the latter is because you can't really get people to love you, no matter how hard you try - they either do or they don't, but you CAN get people to assume that attacking you is dangerous.
Specifically:
"Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred; because he can endure very well being feared whilst he is not hated, which will always be as long as he abstains from the property of his citizens and subjects and from their women. But when it is necessary for him to proceed against the life of someone, he must do it on proper justification and for manifest cause, but above all things he must keep his hands off the property of others, because men more quickly forget the death of their father than the loss of their patrimony. "
Poor practical Machiavelli. Forever maligned. Yes, you're right. I was reaching for an "Italian" case before I had my morning coffee. Ol' Niccolo was one very smart dude - if you read him in context and in entirety. I should have used the Medicis and Borgias. Oh, and Mussolini, of course. My bad. Point remains, from another text: People who live in glass houses should not cast stones... P.S. Great job, Lorna. Loved it. But for me, you gave the game away at "Hippies"...
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Fiona Branagh
... or her equivalent.
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05-17-2007 14:35
Doesn't get much better than Mussolini for that particular subject  I get the coffee problem. I cannot be responsible for anything I type without the presence of caffeine in my bloodstream.
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Lorna Languish
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05-17-2007 14:37
From: Har Fairweather P.S. Great job, Lorna. Loved it. But for me, you gave the game away at "Hippies"... Thanks!!!  But why do so many people think I'm joking???!! I don't want to see Hippies running around in SL.. they're too.. free thinking. Besides, once we can agree to get them banned, we can use the same arguments to get just about any group in SL banned at will.. Someone very clever had a good point too which shows where this will end up: From: Lorna Languish I think I read somewhere that there is an eastern european country where portraying apparent magic powers (witchcraft!) is illegal... since Teleporting obviously counts, when is that going to be banned in SL?
...now that may seem wayy off, but who knows? Some people can predict the future. Take Care, Lorna.
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Lorna Languish
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05-17-2007 14:38
I think I read somewhere that there is an eastern european country where portraying apparent magic powers (witchcraft!) is illegal... since Teleporting obviously counts, when is that going to be banned in SL?
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Lorelei Patel
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05-17-2007 15:21
From: Lorna Languish Second Life has grown rapidly in recent months, much faster than Linden Labs are able to keep up with the necessary work of policing and controlling the resident population. This has resulted in a lot of stress recently, with griefers and other undesirables running round spoiling the experience for right-thinking residents all over the grid.
I would like to present some solutions that, together with already announced recent initiatives, will get things back on track and allow the grid to be under control once more despite there being far too many residents for Linden Labs to keep track of individually.
These solutions may seem complex, but please follow it through as I explain exactly why they are needed, how they can be implemented, and how they will solve various problems that we encounter in-world. It's really very simple and will greatly improve everyone's Second Life.
The three main systems I propose are: 1) "Personality Validation" - keep griefers off the grid 2) "Big Buddy" - detect griefing automatically 3) "Help a friend" - make it easier to report griefing.
What defines "griefing" will of course vary from person to person. It is not sufficient to merely follow the laws of the United States - other countries have other laws and they do not always cover situations that will offend others in-world. For example, I might be shopping in a mall, and someone might show up who is wearing a 10x10x10 wooden block on their head, pushing everyone out of the way just to annoy them. Or I might be exploring someone's private house, and I might find them in their bedroom, naked and doing things that are offensive in my culture. These problems all need solutions that can be automated so that griefers cannot run rampant across the grid.
Here is how each of my ideas will work in detail, to make SL a safer place for everyone.
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1)Personality Validation ======================== This is to make sure only right-thinking people are on the grid, and keep bad people away. Each resident would be required to complete a battery of tests, similar to the questionairres on okcupid.com. Given at least 100 questions answered, the system can rate various traits of the resident's personality and if anything comes up red flagged, they can be banned from the grid. Questions can be included to judge truthfulness also. This could rid the grid of undesirables such as: * Perverts * Furries * Communists I had to read all the way to this point before I got that it was satire. Excellent!
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Colette Meiji
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05-17-2007 15:30
The "right-thinking" in the begining was a clue I think.
It is good satire -
I just dont think its funny , becuase of the implications. Which is really what Satire is about anyhow.
Anyhow - looks those opposed are too late on Age and ID verification
LL signed the contract with Integrity (which I hope isnt an ironic name)
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Ciaran Laval
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05-17-2007 15:35
From: Lorna Languish I think I read somewhere that there is an eastern european country where portraying apparent magic powers (witchcraft!) is illegal... since Teleporting obviously counts, when is that going to be banned in SL? You don't want to get into the witchcraft business, a school in the Uk banned a Harry Potter day because of complaints from some religious fanatics.
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Angelique LaFollette
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05-17-2007 17:23
I'm laughing pretty hard at the OP, Great satire. I'm laughing even Harder at those persons who are taking it as a Serious proposal.
Good Joke chere, Funny on so many levels.
Angel.
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