Rentals in arrears How long to wait?

That's why I don't use the automatic return stuff Amity. I can scan transactions easy enough, I download them and sort them with a spreadsheet. All the 'bounced' transactions show up that way.

The sad thing is that you can't put all their furniture and kinky sex pose balls out on the curb for the homeless to pick over or place a lien on their 10,000L sex bed then auction it off.

Yes, I have made exceptions for folks who were good about communication and/or were friends. Almost without exception, it's paid off in repeat business and referrals.

I also have to chime in here- it really is amazing how many people in SL seem to have trouble coming up with $5 USD for rent from week to week. I have a very difficult time believing that folks REALLY don't have that much dough on-hand but I hear the same story from someone nearly every week.

I believe that you're right- SL landlords are just SUPER-low on peoples' list of financial priorities, which is ironic when you consider the tier we have to cough up to LL every month. In terms of financial commitments and profit margins, SL landlords generally need those payments to be on-time a lot more than the phone company, cable company, and Netflix do- but we get paid a lot less regularly (if at all, in the case of the legions of tenants who just move out without telling anyone, leaving an empty lot that's not making any L$).

Wildefire, I do not know what you heard about someone BBQing newbies but I had nothing to do with setting the traps out.

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I have a great landbaroness. I love my little slice of SL and I have good neighbors. I want to keep it that way so I pay rent before it runs out. 3 days is plenty of time for someone to have an opps moment and get back in world to fix it. 2 weeks is way to long to hold on to a plot that could and should be on the market and making money.

the length of time you wait varies as you have read... one thing tho.. be careful if you return their belongings coalesced (bundled) ..this happens when you return items thru the land tab. Most people are not familiar with this type of return and claim their things have disappeared, they do not know where to look..(cubes bulked together) i prefer to have them come and get their things or return each item (more time consuming) but easier for them to find. Also saves me headaches trying to explain coalesced and what to look for in their inventory...

I would be really interested to hear how this return of object automatically works as there is nothing in LSL that makes this possible. I know this because I wrote my own rental system that I use for my own residential rentals and if it were possible from scripting, I would have used it for when people go over their prim allowance.

Is a bot being used somehow? Does it work on mainland or is it hooking into the estate tools? Anyone know?

Are you an attorney?

I'm not, and I don't pretend to be. I can't say with any expertise what a California court might choose to do with this. But the only legal jargon I see frequently in this context is the term "Covenant" that LL put on the tab, with the clear intent that the contents of the tab be the terms and conditions set forth by the estate owner. I be shocked if a court invalidated the terms simply because LL, which isn't even a primary party to the contract, chose the wrong word in their software.

I'll admit that I don't go around surveying lots of estate covenants, but I would have remembered any unusual language. The bodies tend to be straightforward. There might be some particular ambiguities in a covenant, but not because of the misuse of real estate jargon. Even if the body refers to itself as a covenant and not a contract, I can't imagine anyone arguing with a straight face that they didn't think it was a real contract for that reason.

Let's put it this way. You agree with someone in your neighborhood that he will mow your lawn, and you will pay him $50.00. You memorialize that agreement in a writing which states "Covenant" at the top. He mows your lawn, you refuse to pay, he sues you. In court, you tell Judge Judy, "I don't have to pay him. It's not an enforceable contract, because it says covenant at the top."

Do you think you will prevail with that argument?

Judge Judy would have them for breakfast!

I have my hippo rent set to allow arrears for two days. I also have, in my covenant, a clause that states that gives a grace period of five days. I also will be more lenient with someone who has been with me for a long period, rather than someone who has rented for two weeks. And I always give the benefit of the doubt to the tenant, if I am in doubt.

"In any 6 month period, you will be allowed one (1) 5-day grace period for late payment. If you are late more often than this, acceptance of late payments will be at the sole discretion of White Sail Estates.

I'm thinking about changing that, or at least taking away the once in six months part. We'll see.

Careful who you challenge with that question. People here can be from just about any walk of life. Not to mention that technically speaking, you've just violated the TOS by asking for RL info.


If you try to form a contract, but you fail to even call it that, but instead use a term of art specific to a completely different area of law - real property law, and one which in that area of law has the exact opposite meaning of what you are trying to do... and your agreement lacks the basic concepts of a legal contract... don't surprised if a court finds that it cannot find enough of a contract to hold either party to its terms.

If you want that little paragraph of text on the about land to be called a contract, then write up a contract, using at least -some- proper language, dont' include any opposites, get the other party to -sign- it, or to orally agree... None of which happens in most SL situations - where even forcing the other party to sign or communicate an oral agreement might itself cause you to be subject to LL's TOS violations anyway...



As for the comment about Judge Judy... She may have been a judge, she might even still be working in a court somewhere as a judge, but what she's doing on TV isn't the work of a judge, but an arbitrator or mediator (the format of those shows seems to be more like arbitration from what is announced in their intro-disclaimers). That's a big part of why she's so free to step outside the bounds of the law, on an almost constant basis.

Asking for RL information is not a violation of the TOS.

No they haven't. You can ask. What's against TOS is passing on RL info about someone without their permission.



Real property law doesn't apply to SL virtual property. More importantly, the basics of a legal contract are very simple. For a contract to exist, there must be:

-an offer, and an acceptance of that offer
-a specification of the goods or services to be provided
-in writing
-agreed to by competent parties
-consideration (one party gives something of value to the other in exchange for the contracted goods or services)

It can be as simple as "Lindal Kidd offers to rent you an apartment in the Masocado Hotel at a price of $L750 per week and will allow you to rez up to 300 prims there. You can stay there as long as you don't violate the Second Life TOS or CS, don't rez more than your allowed prims, and pay your rental box on time."

I could write that out, with prettier language, and get tenants to send me a copy with their name on it indicating they've read and agreed...but it's not necessary, because simply paying one of my rental boxes creates an implied contract.



"Force"? How? Surely if both parties agree to the contract terms, it's not "forced". If someone wants me to give them my RL contact info before entering into a financially substantial enterprise (for example, building an entire sim for several thousand $USD) that makes sense for both parties. And if I agree, it's not a TOS violation. If they want the same info before selling me a $3.00 dress, I'll take my business somewhere else.