BS AR and AR Abuse/Harassment

Probably not unless there was a God-Mode Linden around. But, I bet they killed Shroedinger's cat. (^_^)y

She was suspended without an investigation?

If true ..

The process leading up to this has to be changed, yesterday.

Wouldn't that be nice?

Unfortunately, when I explained to the GTeam about the confusion a gender "ageplay" category would be, and how it needed toat least say "Sexual Ageplay," I was told it was not an issue, that they don't get many ARs for it anyway, and besides, all the other stuff they've said just said "ageplay" anyway.

*This* was the sort of action I was trying to avoid.

Sorry Immy. I hope I was able to help a bit last night.

Mari

I was at the Blitz Build when all of this occurred. I witnessed nothing there that could be remotely considered to be sexual ageplay. Immy was in the middle of doing a build. When you are in one of these competitions, that is the only thing you are doing.

I can only assume that LL has made a policy that when there is an Abuse Report that involves ageplay, that the avatar is suspended immediately. I also assume that the one hour suspension is designed to give them time to investigate it. While I support that, it needs to be made clear to the person making the AR that it is SEXUAL ageplay that is a violation, not just ageplay.

If a person makes false allegations of this sort, their punishment should be severe.

I cannot say for sure that it was not a contestant that did this, but I highly doubt it. We are there to have fun showing off our building skills. We love having Immy there. It is never dull when she is around.

Kan we haz a new Governance team now?

Kthnksbui.

Assuming that there is a God-Mode Linden around, let's make the puzzle more complex. Let's assume that instead of Metabolt, pure uncontrolled preprogrammed bots are used to connect, that can only sit down on two specially marked poseballs and nothing else. An LSL script is used to randomly cycle poseball pairs in the MLP device, and the device contains 50 purely innocent pose pairs and 1 pose pair of sexual nature. The cycling happens once, say, every hour.

This way the owner of the bots literally has no control over whether the bots ever appear in a sexual ageplay scene, and the probability of it happening in any given day once is 47%. Mind you, the owner of the bots makes a point not to visit the bots to observe them, makes sure nobody but a God-Mode Linden can do this, and doesn't know whether they are engaging in a sexual ageplay scene at any given moment. No other people are involved but the owner of the bots and a hypothetical God-Mode Linden. Does the owner of the bots commit sexual ageplay?

This is not an idle question, I'm wondering what exactly constitutes a forbidden act. While the act of two adults at least one of which is wearing a child avatar engaging in an animated scene that has obvious sexual nature is unambigious, it is not exactly an atomic behavior that has no component parts. What sexual ageplay is? Is it creating an image to be seen by someone else, consuming an image that has been created by yourself in cooperation with someone else, seeing an image created by someone else, talking about, or, really, just thinking about it?

I cant swear to it but its obvious to anyone that was there.

One thing that is starting to really gall me is any age are. Those are assumptions, no facts.　　If I stated in open chat I was 5432 years old is that fact? If I stated I was in the womb, is that a fact and ARable? I only will do a AR on a fact, not a supposition, sdo I will never do a Age AR.

With courts with elected judges? And a Supreme Court? And an elected legislature?

That would be awesome.

*nods*

I saw a few Live Help sessions like that from child avies with the Linden pointing out that they should remove any underage ages from their profile. The ageplay notecard was stricter than the current attitude towards it though.

(Asking the GTeam a few months back)

I was just thinking one without Zara in it.

Is it sexual ageplay if two people make their avatars look like really really old folks and then make them get it on?

Surely everything in the 2nd Life tab on the profile is roleplay. Simply having it in that tab should be clear enough.

In fact, isnt any sexual activity in SL sexual age play? Do dragon avs need to have speciazl rules in SL? Do Neko's? Or vampires? Goreans? BDSMers? For that matter adult avs?

Child avs have to live under rules that others do not in SL. But we are all adults here, supposedly (scratches head in confusion).

Nice... Profile based type casting... I'm soooo ignoring IMs today to get to work on my profile once I get online. (T_T)

It's a mess that has nothing to do with law, logic, or even morals.

1. It is clear that there is no established meaning of the term 'ageplay' as used in TOS, as there is no clear answer to any forms of the puzzle I previously outlined. It's clear that some activities are "sexual ageplay" but not clear which activities aren't.
2. Because of that, absolutely all activities of people wearing child avatars suddenly end up in a grey area where they must be decided upon case by case.
3. But Lindens and common residents alike are all under social pressure to combat the "dangerous disease" and should they not comply, they will be branded as supporters of criminals, so every decision is essentially baseless and not in favour of people wearing child avatars.

Let alone that I don't see any reasonable proof that any child is harmed or potentially would be harmed, if two adults consensually engage in sexual ageplay using avatar personas, but that's a flamewar for another day.

Every moral panic eventually comes to an exploitation phase, where special interest groups try to exploit it to acquire resources under the pretext of combating the "disease" that caused the panic, and unscrupulous individuals use it for personal gain.

Well, this case with Imnotgoing is definitely it.

P.S. I bet professor Stanley Cohen is now sitting quietly in Australia and crying his eyes out every time he reads the news.

I just wanted to point at your profile as one possible reason why an "Ageplay" AR might go through since you clearly weren't doing anything wrong so other than "cluelessness" that only leaves profile/groups (or something you said in chat).

And that last sentence is a bit ambiguous on meaning but trying to get clear answers out of the GTeam is near impossible . Along with the fact that the Saturday office hour can contradict the Wednesday one on minor details .

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I'd try a support ticket to try and find out what they actually condemned though so you actually have a clue. Something like: "Was it something I did, something I said, something on my profile, one of my groups or something else entirely? I know you won't divulge any specifics but just pinpointing it to one of those 5 would help so I can change my profile if that's what caused all of this for example."

Don't worry... I understand, and agree. I can't make the Wednesday one because of RL responsibilities and I often frequent the Saturday one as much as possible. (^_^)

And... Yeah... I have the ticket going with pretty much those questions. Waiting.... Waiting.... (=_=)

And, as for divulging specifics; My profile is all public information and role play details. I'm an open book with only one hidden group by request of the group owner. I don't deny my own deviant personality (as past threads have proven). And, the steamiest conversation I had in Kuula yesterday was on the subject of video card specifications. (=_=)

Craziset of all... I had myself packed in a wooden crate for the blitz build to poke fun at the grid instability of the day. My avatar wasn't even visible during the event. (>_<

That would be really pathetic. First prize is only 250L$. Someone who is willing to file a false AR alleging ageplay over less than 1 US dollar is beneath contempt.

It's not the dollar, it's the prestige. You can't buy even that much prestige for a dollar.

Sorry that happen to you, I actually stumble upon you last week Iamnotgoing at NCI when you and your friend were doing something with dollhouse as alt.
It was cool seeing you in world even though you didn't know who I was and looked very busy.
I had friend bit back ago get banned by this incident over a Griefer who was attacking and causing problems with this sim she managed. The person did file false abuse report when she protected the Sim she manages, she got banned for several days for Assault.
I am not sure what the details were but one would think if you a owner or in charge of managing sim you're given certain rights to protect your home and guest but I guess not.
Maybe LL doesn't have good system in discerning false, idiotic or unfair reports to the legitimate ones and it's whatever the Linden in charge decides to do without investigating deeper due to time constraints?
Personally I think there needs re-haul on system and punishment for abusing or taking advantage of the abuse report system.

I think Rika is exactly right: because sexual ageplay is such an emotive subject, nobody wants to conclusively state that any "edge" behaviour is OK, because somebody might find a way to abuse it and then they would look like they were defining evil paedophiles.

It's even more complex when you look at the ageplay policy - for example, the judgment of someone as a "child avatar" can be based on behavior. So, for example, if you are seen by someone having sex in an adult avatar on Monday, and then on Friday you are still wearing the same avatar and speaking in ikklespeak (tm? ) in a public area, can someone allege that that speaking behaviour makes that avatar a child avatar, and thus AR you for Monday's sex? It's just awkward.

Regardless, I don't want to suspect that. The NCI blitz builders are a good crowd and we're all pretty familiar with each other. It's a very friendly contest and we all vote for each-others builds based on quality and imagination. There are often times when we'll share a script or texture of someone asks. (^_^)

Regardless... There is a bit of pomp and pride for being in the upper 50% of the prize winners that makes the contest such a blast. Then, take a copy of the build, un-link/physical/temporary, and Carameldansen around the mess. (^_^)y

I got second place last night (using only 4 prims.) I probably would have gotten third if you had still been in there. Does that make me a suspect?


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Heh.. S'okay... My build was gonna use a phys-temp rezzer like that "sphere factory" I made a month or so back. (^_^)y

(Did I just derail my own thread? (T_T) )

Just to add my tuppenceworth, I was there at the NCI Blitz, and beforehand at the NCI Plaza when Immy and quite a number of others were present.

There was certainly no ageplay observed by me at any time, I can't even recall a remark or a gesture made that could be construed as sexual.

People will contrive anything if they have their reasons to. Cluelessness or maliciousness would seem to be the two options. Part of me would prefer it to be the former to the latter.


At least she wasn't trick or treating... Sugar Cuteness beyond the bounds of sanity, beware!!