Adult only version with no child avatars in future??

If you can't find info on something you heard from someone then it's a rumor or misinformation.

Next they're going to ban robots because making out with them can bruise humans.

I don't see banning child avatars as a logical extension of the ban on depicting minors in sexual situations. Follow the U.S. movie industry as an example. It's perfectly fine to have children in your R-rated movies with simulated sex, as long as the children aren't in the sex scenes. (And if you are into any sort of movie trivia, it's interesting to read about how Linda Blair and "The Exorcist" helped define the modern rules of how child actors may be used in movies with adult themes.) At least on the legal front, I don't see anything happening on the internet with the combination of depiction of minors and adult themes which would have serious ramifications for the U.S. motion picture industry.

Don't mess with the robosexuals.

Mari

Just to be clear, it's perfectly ok for a child av to be in a sim or area marked Mature. There are lots of clothing stores, gadget stores, etc. in mature sims, and there's nothing in the rules preventing a child av from shopping at one of those. I'd even go as far as saying that it's ok for a child av to be in an animation store that has both sexual and non-sexual animations; the people who create and sell such things shouldn't be forced to set up two separate shops.

A narrow reading of the LL announcemts suggests that it's even ok for a child av to be present at a sex club, as long as the av doesn't actually participate in the activities. Still, it seems like a bad idea for me, but only because it raises questions and casts suspicion. I wouldn't AR such a situation, but I might politely point out the issues to the owners.

hehehe glad I'm not the only one who gets that. I'm 5'5" rl and 5'3" in sl and am sometimes told I look 16 in sl. Not by trying to look that way, just happens. I think a lot equate short = young.

And don't we all have a schoolgirl outfit tucked away for that special someone?
*giggles and sings loli loli loli get your adverbs here*

I wouldbet on this too looking at what all LL has been doing latley..its gona be a Natiz style sl soon ... paperz please

lol...he said, "Papers Please."

I love that line.

Hey I used a Z heh

I know...but it's said the same way. I actually thought about editing my 's' to a 'z' but figured...bah...what the hey. Sorry.


PaperZ! Auchtung! Auchtung!

Wow, I live in a society in which an omnipresenet media bombards us perpetually with sexual content, and yet it seems an overwhelming majority of this society doesn't know the basic birds-and-bees information.

The main physical difference between a child and an adult is the absence or presence of secondary sex characteristics. The transformation between childhood and adulthood, in which the body physically changes to acquire secondary sexual characteristics, is puberty. While growth spurts are a common part of puberty, height does not measure the difference between childhood and adulthood. It is reproductive capacity that distinguishes childhood and adulthood. On a biological level, secondary sexual characteristics (body shape, vocal tone, facial hair, odor) are what alert one adult as to whether or not another person is capable of reproduction- the biological basis of sexual attraction.

Human beings are biologically hardwired to look for secondary sexual characteristics to determine whether someone is an adult. Human beings are not hardwired to make that determination of whether someone is an adult based on height.

Even aside from the biological inclinations of human beings, it makes absolutely no sense to substitute height as the way to distinguish between children and adults. Both children and adults can be tall or short. However, developed breasts and broad hips are exclusively characteristics of adult females. Facial hair and broad shoulders are exclusively characteristics of adult males. These traits, not only biologically but also logically, are the best, easiest evidence of whether someone is adult or a child.

There are people who are classified as having a condition called dwarfism, which describes a physical condition in which an adult is unusually short, typically 4' 10" or shorter. However, it is impossible to mistake an adult who has dwarfism for a child. Despite being short, those with dwarfism clearly exhibit secondary sex characteristics. Ever see one of those funny movies or cartoons, with the midget dressed like a baby, and in that bonnet is a hairy face with a broad chin smoking a cigar? That is a sight gag that plays on the fact that it's secondary sex characteristics, and not height, that provide evidence as to whether someone is a child or an adult.

The reason that pedophilia is considered a mental illness is because it describes an adult who is sexually attracted to a person who does not exhibit secondary sex characteristics. In fact, typically a pedophile finds no sexual attraction to anyone who does have secondary sexual characteristics. In most cases, the person who will molest an eight year old child will have no interest in the sixteen-year-old post-pubescent teen.

All that said, there are statutory rape laws that define when a person is considered mentally incapable of consenting to sexual activity. Status as a minor does not depend upon whether one is physically a child or adult; status as a minor depends on a blanket rule that persons below a certain age will be presumed to be incapable of making certain important decisions for themselves. Statutory rape is not about the difference between physical children and physical adults; it's about the presumption that certain people who are physically adults may yet not be mentally or emotionally capable to meaningfully consent to sex.

Using height as the visual cue to determining status as a child or adult, rather than using the presence or absence of secondary sex characteristics, makes absolutely no sense at all and has no grounding whatsoever in basic human sexuality. Identifying a woman who clearly has developed breasts and broad hips as a child because she is short shows an alarming lack of knowledge about human sexuality.

(Of course, some people go through puberty without much to show for it in physical appearance. That's what prompted Diedre Flint to lament in song that, "The Boob Fairy never came for me."

Godwined at post #31.

Mari

Aw, poor Deirdre. For a couple years I didn't think the Willy Fairy was gonna come for me, but judging by the rate they've been arriving at since, let's just say I've granted asylum to more than my fair share.

I beg your pardon, but you should check out my IN-Wold SL age. I started playing SL at the end of April. My avatar will be 4 months old on Aug 30. I just recently added payment information so that I could purchase lindens so that I could do a proper make-over on my avatar.

This is my ONLY avatar, as I am still new. I see no need whatsoever to create a second one. I realize child avatars in SL is a touchy subject, but I have nothing to hide. Any of you may feel free to contact me in-world and spend some time with me and my SL family.

As by research, I searched the database for phrases such as "child, child avie, ban child avatar, child avatar, second adult grid, adult grid, child policy" etc etc.

I *know* we are on the adult grid, but the rumors I had heard were they were going to find someway to limit 'child avatars' in general, which I agree can be a grey subject with shorter avatars who are not young.

I am in NO way affiliated with any of those people who pursue mature situations (of any kind sexual, violent, vulgar etc) as/or with a child avatar. I will report any I see doing this, no questions asked.

~Gizmo

PS: sorry to be so preachy, but this is something I do feel adamant about.

Actually when Natiz's are involved it's Gidwoned

Um... You missed post #20.

You Listen to Rumors?

There IS a second world already, it's called the teen grid, and No, i seriously doubt LL will go to the Time, Expense and Trouble to create a third world to seperate a Few moralists from people who are Not doing anything wrong. The whole idea is Ludicrous.

You did the Homework. If you found Nothing in the Official linden Blogs, or proposed Updates, Upgrades, or improvements, then it's just someone running off at the mouth Trying to make their Wishful thinking sound authoratative.

Angel.

That's a good idea-- I think you're right, it would.

I have always found the diversity of second life to be it's strongest asset. The fact that it's a virtual melting pot of all walks of life is fascinating in my views. The way i see it, if someone wishes to pretend to be a child because they like it, let them. As long as they don't violate the law by allowing sexual contact. i mean if it was illegal to be a kid IRL we would have all been arrested. If someone wants to dress up as a furry, then it's our right. Robots? Aliens? Same deal! The way i see it, if someone has a problem with another persons lifestyle, they should do the simplest thing they can do and just look away. Nobody is telling them to keep their eyes locked onto something they don't like. If the sun hurts your eyes stop staring into it.

Here's what I know, from Robin Linden, "child avatars are fine, it's the depiction of sexual activity with children that is grounds for terminating an account, and could have potential implications for real world action" and Chadrick Linden, "For clarification purposes, we are not banning or preventing those who wear child avatars in Second Life from doing so"

My own clarification of the current policy (confirmed by Chadrick Linden) is as follows:
"Child avatars are in themselves allowed. Child avatars in sexual situations (sexual congress obviously, though it is unclear beyond this) are not allowed and ARable. Public promotion (classified listing, profile, etc.) of sexual situations with child avatars is not
allowed and ARable. Indicating that the *real age* of a child avatar (as opposed to a stated SL/role playing age) is below main grid age is not allowed and ARable."

So perhaps the "limit" that was mentioned is simply that regarding the sexual ageplay issue. Of course, you know how rumors go.



Not Gidwpned?



/me says in bad impersonation of Mojo Jojo, "Cuuuurses!"



Thankoo. I'm actually putting together my virtual canvases. Prob'ly gonna do a show an stuff around the middle/end of the month.



'zactly!

Mari

Then the Jews. But I won't speak up. Followed by the Gypsies. But I still won't speak up. Finally the mentally handicapped and the Communists. But I still won't speak up.

When they come for me there will be no one left to speak up.

There is one difference between Linden Labs and the Nazi regime. The Nazi regime was a government with the authority and ability to impose its dictates upon citizens by force. Linden Labs is a private, corporate entity that does business through voluntary contract and has neither the authority nor the ability to impose its dictates upon anyone through force.

That's what makes the Nazi persecution of Jews and others a human rights issue, while Linden Labs' like or dislike of children would be a personal preference issue.

LL can easily force it's policies on us, in SL anyway. True they can't ban people from being children in RL, but my point is still valid I believe.

True, but in a society where being clean shaven is the norm, height and torso shape are the only visible male secondary sexual characteristics. For that matter, the traditional V shaped male torso seems to be a rarity nowadays too. Given the increasing female propensity to be attracted to men with less masculine facial characteristics these days too, height is all we have left.

"Mari's dad"

Yes, the land is in a mature region but we consider it PG or even G rated and expect any visitors to behave as such. There is a small area cut off from the rest that we consider "mature" and if LL ever inacts the "adult" rating it would probably fall in that category. Is there anything there that SL kids shouldnt see? I can honestly say, No. It is mostly a "in case" kind of thing. It's where the adults can hang out with a lil more freedom. Also where we, parents get to be alone and just enjoy each other's company. If you were to snoop you would typically find us snuggling.

I recently placed a VR room on the unofficial "Mature" part. I wanted to share it with my kids so first I showed Mari then Robin on 2 separate times. Both said the same thing "Am I allowed to be here?" And when I told Sazzy that I had showed the kids she said, "You let them go there?" *grins* We know our sl kids are adults in RL but part of being in this family is maintaining the rp...with a lot of RL sharing and caring behind it.

/me smiles, "Thankoo, daddy!"

An dis is kinda the thing about kids an mature land too. The land can be "mixed use" kinda, an you might need more freedom to do whatcha need at some times, while maintaining a RP atmosphere dat operates at another level.

(Did dat make any sense? I'm kinda sleepy)

Mari