Land-Do you really own or just renting

WOW, What a quick response.Thanks everyone for clearing this up for me. Desmond, you sound like a fun landlord, I was actually looking at some of your properties. Thanks Cristalle "BossLady", I will take you up on that offer.

Would love to have you but I'm in 'negative advertising' mode right now, it's something like a 2 month wait to get land in Caledon unless you cut a deal with a tenant. If you still decide to get on the Waiting List from Hades, that's fine, let me know and I'll add you. But it's heartbreaking, I've got sims worth of interested people and I can't help them any time soon unless I were to roll out icky sims. Which I won't do.

I've got sims on the drawing board, but the waiting list I already have is gonna soak em up I think. A mountain range a good number of sims long, with some of the peaks broken loose and floating in the sky due to their Cavorite deposits. The biggest massif will be sim-sized, in a region named Caledon Morgaine - a flying mountain made of giant sculpties and such, with vast sculptie caverns in its interior, above valley/lagoon that roughly matches the shape of the skyward-ripped peak.

Extremely, extremely unlikely *anybody* contacting me now will have a chance to get in on that, though.

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What you see with some of the bigger land barony operations is a strong disincentive to do something stupid.

Even if a tenant is totally unreasonable, just the fact that you had a dispute with *anyone* is not a good thing. Nobody' can see facts, so anything that hits forums comes off as a 'he said/she said' scenario.

And pursuing, or even 'winning' a forum argument with a resident would only prove that you are willing to take people on aggressively. Nobody wants to deal with anyone like that.

So when it comes to 'scaling', the bigger you are, the more likely it is that *someone* will be upset with something. And the risk is much higher if you break trust with residents - my tier payments already exceed 3000 USD/mo. Wisdom is to always do your very very very best, to the point of not being foolish of course.

Now Look...

Why is it that every time you bring out something new its bigger and better and more amazing than the last thing? Can i be on your waiting list that's like a sort of Escher staircase that as soon as i get to the bottom i am at the top again please??? God almighty this sounds amazing.. i want to be a troglodyte in your sculptie crystal caverns. You know... if i spent my entire time on my back i couldn't support my Shang habit... You will never make an honest woman of me at this rate.

Whimper

love you really
Imogen

Edit... Yes it was you Desmond who said you wont flag your land Adult, thank goodness, and my other landlady who says she will.. She feels, she said, that it is impossible for her to police parcel by parcel (she owns and rents out several sims, about 6 i think). I dont blame her, she is the one responsible, she will be the one who gets pressured if things slip by her notice and she and i or any of her other tenants are Abuse Reported. I am just so sad to lose my beach house.

I dread the day, not just for me but for the whole of our Metaverse, when Verification becomes Law on SL. I know several people who will leave SL when it comes in, some of them close to me, one extremely close to me for whom this is a final straw in a heavy load and who is already selling up and getting ready to go. This policy is a tragedy on so many levels and a very personal tragedy for me.

Thank goodness i will still have Caledon.

This assumes that you trust Linden Labs. I'd trust more a third party with an estabilished track record. In the true spirit of competition, some of the private owners are providing the kind of service that we expect that Linden Labs should provide but never does.

If a person feels they can't "trust" Linden Lab then there's no reason for them to persist in-world, let alone take part in any transactions, as LL owns the overall framework in which we exist in.

I'm simply pointing out that in a "mainland" transaction there's only two parties involved (the purchaser of the land and Linden Lab). With covenant land there's three parties involved (the purchaser of the covenant land, the sim owner, and Linden Lab). It's a game theory problem: Preventing one person (the sim owner) from taking a place at the table reduces risk as it removes a person (a third party "wild card" from the transaction.

If it's a certainty that you'll lose access to the land, I'm pretty sure she'd give a grace period or something so that you can make other arrangements?

People who manage several sims usually look out for their tenants. Just talk to her, I'm sure it will be ok.


For what it's worth, I don't think the risk of what random people do is going to force her to flag her land as adult.

It's just like having mainland. Say someone flies over your land, just above the ban lines, and starts showing naughty stuff - not much anyone can do about it, even if you have banlines up. Does crossing .5m across a property line suddenly make someone different responsible, because the X axis now reads 55m instead of 54.5m? The perpetrator is the responsible party.

I think there's a lot of room for reasonability. I don't think any law enforcement agency would expect me to know every texture on every prim 24/7 in a world where anyone can create anything.

I don't go searching people's skyboxes. But you'd be amazed the number of people who 'rat out' their friends to the sim owner. Kind of sad but true; even over stuff that's totally okay, and I don't remember ever hearing of anything so serious that I had to take any action.

Due to that, if there was anything seriously nasty going on, I'd probably hear about it. There are many on the grid for whom snooping seems to be a sort of pasttime...

snipped, old netiquette dies hard

Yes Desmond, I am sure she will give all her tenants a grace period, she is a very nice person, but as i pay her monthly i will have to watch the progress of this process carefully to be ready for changes that come.

And i havent forgotten that while losing my little paradise is sad for me, its also sad for her to lose her tenants and some of her income, I am sure several of them are old friends closer to her than i am, and this may be a very hard decision for her. At present it is her plan though, based on what she knows at this time.

Yes, this may change, and yes there may be some room for reasonability. But from what i hear from many quarters, LL are more inclined to shoot first and ask questions later. If I, and therefore my Landlady, are abuse reported for having something on the land that should be in an Adult Parcel, and she is not flagging adult, that not only affects me, but the landlady, and from there it drastically effects all those tenants that have done no wrong and have not breached TOS. If she is barred from SL, her land is forfeit and everything goes for them too. That is a helluva depressing thought, and i cant sit on her land knowing i am playing with that kind of fire. If i get burned thats one thing; if i cause that sort of damage to others, that is something else entirely.

And It doesnt surprise me Desmond that people rat on their neighbours.. sadly i know its all too tempting and too common, especially in a community where the powers that be encourage it (as LL says it wishes us to do). The opportunities this proposed policy makes for people to do the dirty on others, to blackmail them even, horrifies me.

Yes, to the people who say i have a choice....I KNOW i have a 'choice' ... verify or not, and if not, just dont do anything 'adult'. Well, i look forward to the day when 'adult' is defined, so i can make that 'choice'.

I am sorry this is very off topic now. but it still has some bearing on choosing between Rent and Purchase, as it will be a factor in any choices we make in future, so hope i will be forgiven. Quite honestly, right now, with this issue still so much in doubt, so unclear, i think it can't be discussed enough. Others may accuse me of whining and saying 'the sky is falling' if they will, but this is life and death for me in SL, and for many others.

Best
Imogen

Quite true, but I'd expect *some* reasonability to prevail.

Whilst I might be a bit of a scallywag myself (and it helps that I'm not up to anything overtly criminal) I think I'd have plenty of leeway before left by the side of the road for infractions not caused by me.

I've spoken with Robin, Cyn, and a number of other Lindens at length, and honestly, they just aren't the sort, unless you are trafficking in endangered baby fur seals or suchlike.

If the person in question can contact via toll free number, I'd strongly recommend she has a chat and gets a sense of who she's dealing with. Might be pleasantly surprised.

If you own land...
you can ban, eject, freeze (avatars)... and you can return, delete (objects). And you can set the land to push, no push, change the discription, and everything that has to do with the land.

If you Rent the land...
you can IM the landowner and hope for a responce if the parcel is under attack