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Alyx Sands
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08-06-2007 08:37
From: Reitsuki Kojima
Oh poor baby. You paint every religious person as a brainwashed coward and little better than the child abuser portrayal that the OP tried, and then you act shocked and sarcastic when some of these brainwashed cowards disagree with you.

We could found a Brainwashed Cowards Club? See, I'm bi and religious too and don't have a problem. My dad is Catholic, my mum is atheist, and I never even got any religious indoctrination anywhere.....maybe I don't even exist.

Oh, and I have AR'd this thread. Say something before it's closed...last orders....
Colette Meiji
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08-06-2007 08:37
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08-06-2007 08:38
I always make a point of *not* quoting long pages of other people's thoughts simply because people often forget that faith is a very personal thing. There isn't a "one size fits all" answer.

Even atheists and evolutionists tend to disagree on certain issues - both of which, by the way, are "faiths" in their own way, by trying to explain the origins of where we came from.

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Raynor Hammerer
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08-06-2007 08:39
From: Alyx Sands
maybe I don't even exist.


Nah ... you're just a figment of your avatar's imagination.
Lowen Raymaker
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08-06-2007 08:45
From: Broccoli Curry
I always make a point of *not* quoting long pages of other people's thoughts simply because people often forget that faith is a very personal thing. There isn't a "one size fits all" answer.

Even atheists and evolutionists tend to disagree on certain issues - both of which, by the way, are "faiths" in their own way, by trying to explain the origins of where we came from.

Broccoli


Everything you're saying here is a qoute from when you were indocrinated unless of course you were born with a full blown belief in God and an understanding of the workings of religion.
Reitsuki Kojima
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08-06-2007 08:48
From: Lowen Raymaker
Everything you're saying here is a qoute from when you were indocrinated unless of course you were born with a full blown belief in God and an understanding of the workings of religion.


Look up "quote" in the dictionary before you post here again, please.

Also, "indoctrinated", thanks.
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08-06-2007 08:54
Believing in something does not make you insane. Those that believed in a possible trip to the moon, could have been labeled insane in the 1800's...now, it's a reality. Believing in quantum physics is just as questionable as believing in Mohammad or Buddha.

Insanity has nothing to do with that.

If you are trying to scratch the spiders off your back, you might be truly insane. But who's to know? What IS real?
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Broccoli Curry
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08-06-2007 08:59
I wasn't "indoctrinated" in the slightest.

My conversion was my choice. I had questions, someone discussed them with me and answered them, and nobody forced me to believe. Having investigated the facts for myself, I came to the conclusion that there was only one answer, and that answer was that God existed.

You do, of course, have the right to disagree with me - but you cannot force me to change my beliefs any more than I can you yours.

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08-06-2007 08:59
From: Qie Niangao
Sneaking in before the lock to recommend Julian Jayne's _The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind_ ()
for a classic exploration of the fundamental relationship between beliefs and experience (or, perhaps, "sanity"--whatever that is). The theory itself is quite completely bogus, but it's been influential in the philosophy of semantics and consciousness for three decades now.

[edit: Holy crap! :eek: Lord Sullivan, I *swear* I didn't even see your post already recommending the same text. Evidently, minds with similar disorders do indeed think alike! :p ]


IM in world we must chat :) and great minds do think alike im sure ;)

But it is one of the best books i have ever read FYIW i am going to get the new book shortly as well as they have discussed in detail Dr Jaynes theories further and coupled with the advances in science sine he wrote the first book it should be an interesting read :)
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Lowen Raymaker
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08-06-2007 09:00
From: Reitsuki Kojima
Look up "quote" in the dictionary before you post here again, please.

Also, "indoctrinated", thanks.


Your arguments here are rather petty don't you think? Nitpicking about this and that without really opening your mind to anything nor are you proving anything. Screaming for a locked thread, filing AR's, and generally just being disruptive does not make for sound debate.
Reitsuki Kojima
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08-06-2007 09:03
From: Lowen Raymaker
Your arguments here are rather petty don't you think? Nitpicking about this and that without really opening your mind to anything nor are you proving anything. Screaming for a locked thread, filing AR's, and generally just being disruptive does not make for sound debate.


What ever gave you the impression I was trying to prove anything? Because, heads up, I haven't been.

The only time I've nitpicked is when you blatantly misuse words to support a fallacious argument.

I've never once screamed for a locked thread - I said it should be locked, which per the rules it should, but honestly I don't care - and I've never ARed anyone.

And the only way I've been "disruptive" is that I don't let you get away with sweeping and false generalizations while insulting those you generalize about, and then crying foul when those people you have insulted and marginalize fight back.
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Colette Meiji
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08-06-2007 09:15
The other thread was not a debate on on wether Religeon should exist.

It was a debate on Missionaries, who by definition try to get others to change their beleifs.

It was taken over by Aethiest "Missionaries" trying to tell people they should stop believing in their Spirtuality.

This thread is merely a continuation of that.

So to say we should debate the existance of God is pointless - it was not the purpose of the original thread.

For my part - even though I was told I was repeating myself - I will again.

Leave people alone with their own beliefs. Whatever they are.
Raynor Hammerer
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08-06-2007 09:28
But isn't it always funny how the "atheists" are the worst missionaries when it comes to proclaiming their beliefs?
Colette Meiji
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08-06-2007 09:33
From: Raynor Hammerer
But isn't it always funny how the "atheists" are the worst missionaries when it comes to proclaiming their beliefs?


Only some. Many Athiests and Agnostics are completely willing to let people beleive whatever they want.

I think it goes back to human nature.

If those Athiests were Christain they likely would be the ones preaching to the non-believers.

Them being Athiest didnt change their need to try to convince others they should have the same beliefs they do.
Alyx Sands
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08-06-2007 09:34
From: Lowen Raymaker
Your arguments here are rather petty don't you think? Nitpicking about this and that without really opening your mind to anything nor are you proving anything. Screaming for a locked thread, filing AR's, and generally just being disruptive does not make for sound debate.

Oh, the AR'ing was me.

And it's not nitpicking, it's SEMANTICS. You might want to look that up, too. ;)

Besides, I was an atheist for 30 years.
Larrie Lane
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08-06-2007 09:37
From: Lowen Raymaker
does not make for sound debate.



Exactly what is there to debate, this is a resident answers forum, regardless of religious or moral belielfs those that do should respect the forums.

There is a time and a place to discuss these matters and if you only all wake up and realise the time this is not the place.

Of what use is this to SL, if your on a mission then perhaps a more appropriatte thread should be posted elsewhere.

There's enough space on the web to incite and induce others, why do it here.
Ciaran Laval
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08-06-2007 09:38
From: Broccoli Curry
I think it's quite sad really that some people feel that "religion" has no place in a virtual world, whilst quite happily supporting other aspects of reality coming to Second Life, such as sex, gambling, weapons, vehicles, homes, etc etc.



Agreed, and I'm a God fearing atheist. If people want to discuss religion inworld and setup groups then fair play to them.
Chris Norse
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08-06-2007 09:40
From: Larrie Lane
Exactly what is there to debate, this is a resident answers forum, regardless of religious or moral belielfs those that do should respect the forums.

There is a time and a place to discuss these matters and if you only all wake up and realise the time this is not the place.

Of what use is this to SL, if your on a mission then perhaps a more appropriatte thread should be posted elsewhere.

There's enough space on the web to incite and induce others, why do it here.


It would make more sense for LL to respect their customers and reopen the general and off topic forums.
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Ciaran Laval
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08-06-2007 09:41
From: Chris Norse
It would make more sense for LL to respect their customers and reopen the general and off topic forums.


I definitely support this proposal. There are issues, such as this thread has proven, that touch upon both inworld and RL activities that doesn't fit the strict criteria for this forum but people would like to discuss these issues here.
Larrie Lane
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08-06-2007 09:42
From: Chris Norse
It would make more sense for LL to respect their customers and reopen the general and off topic forums.


Chris

Perhaps that may be an option, but can we not have appear on new posts and only selected by those that want to view such topics....
Raynor Hammerer
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08-06-2007 09:43
From: Colette Meiji
Only some. Many Athiests and Agnostics are completely willing to let people beleive whatever they want.

Hence my quotation marks.
Chris Norse
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08-06-2007 09:45
From: Larrie Lane
Chris

Perhaps that may be an option, but can we not have appear on new posts and only selected by those that want to view such topics....


Did someone force you to read this thread or any thread in the forums?
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Colette Meiji
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08-06-2007 09:48
From: Raynor Hammerer
Hence my quotation marks.


Ahh I see.
Larrie Lane
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08-06-2007 09:50
Praying For Nothing?

A very religious man lived right next door to an atheist. While the religious one prayed day in, day out, and was constantly on his knees in communion with his Lord, the atheist never even looked twice at a church. However, the atheist's life was good, he had a well-paying job and a beautiful wife, and his children were healthy and good-natured, whereas the pious man's job was strenuous and his wages were low, his wife was getting fatter every day and his kids wouldn't give him the time of the day. So one day, deep in prayer as usual, he raised his eyes towards heaven and asked:

"Oh God, I honor you every day, I ask your advice for every problem and confess to you my every sin. Yet my neighbor, who doesn't even believe in you and certainly never prays, seems blessed with every happiness, while I go poor and suffer many an indignity. Why is this?" And a great voice was heard from above:

"BECAUSE HE DOESN'T BOTHER ME ALL THE TIME!"
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08-06-2007 09:54
Actions: Lock, Linden Review
Reasons: Reposting, Off topic, trolling, flaming.
Source: AR

This forum isn't for general discussion; there are many Resident Sites where this discussion is appropriate — Resident Answers is for Resident-to-Resident help. :) I'll close this thread...

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