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Sweet Primrose
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05-09-2007 09:48
" starting auction price for new mainland sims is US $1000."

Starting prices can change. LL is not, after all, immune to economics. Rather like what happens to some MMORPGs when their customer base disappears. Some of them reduce their subscription prices and some aren't even able to draw new customers when they make the subscriptions free! :)
Raymond Figtree
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05-09-2007 09:49
From: Sweet Primrose
" starting auction price for new mainland sims is US $1000."

Starting prices can change. LL is not, after all, immune to economics. Rather like what happens to some MMORPGs when their customer base disappears. Some of them reduce their subscription prices and some aren't even able to draw new customers when they make the subscriptions free! :)


I should not have said never. Just until age verification takes effect. :)

From: Wilhelm Neumann
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For a time that never existed? :)
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Wilhelm Neumann
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05-09-2007 09:56
From: Raymond Figtree
I should not have said never. Just until age verification takes effect. :)



For a time that never existed? :)


hehe i remember buying land for that price so yes it existed :)

I remember thinking i was gouging when i tried to charge 1.5k for a lot of 512 sq meters and when I thought i was being gouged for paying 5k for 1024 of land in clear :)
Jackson Rickenbacker
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05-09-2007 12:13
LL has already over saturated the Mainland market, the only thing holding it up right now is the refusal of large land holders to sell at a loss. Point is almost moot anyway as mainland is appealing to the newbie population and Private sims are more desirable to knowledgable buyers that can search out the good deal.

If someone wants to open a business and cares how the land value increase or decrease over the long term, then Private sim is the way to go.

If someone wants a quiet place to put a home, free of greifers and casinos, and campers and lag, then again Private sim is the way to go

I honestly dont see anymore why anyone for any reason would actually prefer mainland as opposed to Private sim, that is unless its a matter of wanting to do business solely with LL instead of a private individual, then again, LL hasnt exactly shown to be the model Landlord with the "NO COVENANT" policy and thier acceptance of camping, landbots and other pretty things that make the mainland so wonderful...

Anyone else have good reasons why mainland is better?
Ike Fairweather
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05-09-2007 12:29
From: Conifer Dada
Someone said earlier - demand is somewhere but sellers won't lower their prices - also some buyers are probably keeping their wallets shut because they think prices will fall. Sellers, or at least land barons, have greater need to sell than 'private' buyers have need to buy, because of their big tier payments. So the pressure to reduce must be there somewhere.

When I looked earlier, the cheapest 512's were nudging down to the 5000L$ mark - so prices are dropping,


Well, tier cost prevents me from buying land. If the tier costs were cheaper, I would buy land every pay day.
Raymond Figtree
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05-09-2007 12:52
From: Jackson Rickenbacker


Anyone else have good reasons why mainland is better?


It's a bit cheaper tierwise. The option to divide land and resell for profit. Total freedom to put up anything you want no matter how laggy or ugly. And the only way to be 100% positive you won't be booted off the land should the estate owner decide to do so for whatever reason.
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Tegg Bode
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05-09-2007 12:53
Exactly who in their right mind would buy 65,000m of land for $400,000 when the council charges are $79k PER MONTH

Demand is still there because someone is still buying new sims auctioned probaby only because it's cheaper than what the sharks want to sell at or the sharks would rather lose money on tier for 2 non selling blocks than let a genuine buyer have it with no profit to them.
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poopmaster Oh
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05-09-2007 12:54
From: Jackson Rickenbacker


Anyone else have good reasons why mainland is better?




one good reason. you can do what you want.

two good reasons. dont have to deal with a island owner who quits sl the week after you buy on his/her land

three good reasons. you can do what you want.

four good reasons. you can do what you want.
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Ike Fairweather
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05-09-2007 12:57
From: Jackson Rickenbacker
LL has already over saturated the Mainland market, the only thing holding it up right now is the refusal of large land holders to sell at a loss. Point is almost moot anyway as mainland is appealing to the newbie population and Private sims are more desirable to knowledgable buyers that can search out the good deal.

If someone wants to open a business and cares how the land value increase or decrease over the long term, then Private sim is the way to go.

If someone wants a quiet place to put a home, free of greifers and casinos, and campers and lag, then again Private sim is the way to go

I honestly dont see anymore why anyone for any reason would actually prefer mainland as opposed to Private sim, that is unless its a matter of wanting to do business solely with LL instead of a private individual, then again, LL hasnt exactly shown to be the model Landlord with the "NO COVENANT" policy and thier acceptance of camping, landbots and other pretty things that make the mainland so wonderful...

Anyone else have good reasons why mainland is better?


Well, the only advantage I see with mainland is you know who you are buying from. There have been a lot of horror stories from renters using private islands. Don't get me wrong, not saying anything bad about them, but you have to do your homework before buying and living on a private sim/island. Had a friend to have their home and everything erased because the owner had too much traffic on his island, then a week or 2 later, did it again to the people who stayed and put his island up for sale. I don't mind the "No covenent". If you plan on running a business and living, just buy a huge lot on 1 sim. You won't have much to worry about. I own about 13,000+ sq m on my sim and no matter what is built on it, doesn't make much difference. I talk to the connecting neighbors from time to time, but we run things how we see fit.

Imagine this as neighbors.

- A SL consultant (have spent a lot of lindens with him as he is very helpful)
- A tattoo business (not into tattoo's, but he is next door on a 512 and seems pretty cool).
- a strip of escort services/club (reason I have a fence around my yard, but again, I speak to the land owners from time to time, so no problems with them)
- A virtual Witch School (on a 512 and I've never said a word to them. They are definately different.

Even with all of that, I love where I live.
Sonia Stardust
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Join date: 6 Nov 2006
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05-09-2007 13:01
i moved to an island a couple weeks ago. I sold off my 512 plot for a very low price just to get rid of it before my premium account refreshed. I am paying $9 a month for a 1024 plot....and i had to buy the land too...but at a lower price than on the mainland....I think I paid about 6,000L for the 1024 (although looking around the prices went up to a more realistic rate) this island is much prettier than my main land plot...and there is a pathway the connects all of the properties.
Walker Moore
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05-09-2007 13:23
From: poopmaster Oh
one good reason. you can do what you want.

two good reasons. dont have to deal with a island owner who quits sl the week after you buy on his/her land

three good reasons. you can do what you want.

four good reasons. you can do what you want.
this picture wipes out three of those reasons as far as i'm concerned. too much freedom creates too much uncertainty creates too much risk of having your view trashed and your land value deliberately deflated. mainland is fine. i like it. but it evolves quickly and should be avoided if you're looking for aesthetic (or just predictably nice) surroundings. unless you can afford a big enough chunk not to have to worry about builds outside your draw distance.

there are plenty of reputable estate owners out there.
in fact i'd say it's easier to research the reputation of a well known business person in SL than it is the anonymous **** you might end up living next door to on unzoned mainland. and if they buy their land after you, well you don't even have that luxury. :cool:
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Jackson Rickenbacker
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05-09-2007 14:08
From: poopmaster Oh
one good reason. you can do what you want.

two good reasons. dont have to deal with a island owner who quits sl the week after you buy on his/her land

three good reasons. you can do what you want.

four good reasons. you can do what you want.




DOING WHAT YOU WANT IS THE EXACT REASON MOST PEOPLE DONT LIKE MAINLAND, cause the J-A$$ nextdoor thinks he can make a living lagging out the sim
Jackson Rickenbacker
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05-09-2007 14:10
From: Tegg Bode
Exactly who in their right mind would buy 65,000m of land for $400,000 when the council charges are $79k PER MONTH

Demand is still there because someone is still buying new sims auctioned probaby only because it's cheaper than what the sharks want to sell at or the sharks would rather lose money on tier for 2 non selling blocks than let a genuine buyer have it with no profit to them.




Oh yah, "sharks" as you call them are going to spend tens of thousands of dollars just to keep you from getting a good deal!!!!
Jackson Rickenbacker
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05-09-2007 14:12
From: Raymond Figtree
It's a bit cheaper tierwise. The option to divide land and resell for profit. Total freedom to put up anything you want no matter how laggy or ugly. And the only way to be 100% positive you won't be booted off the land should the estate owner decide to do so for whatever reason.



Depends on how much land you own, if cost is purely the only deciding factor then there are cases inwhich mainland is cheaper, but comparing 1024 plots equally, most Private sims cost a good amount less ( PS=$9 / ML= $14.95 )

Not to mention when you own 4500 meters on a PS your usually paying for 4500 sq m, not like the mainland wher you have to pay for 8192 sq m even if you only own 4097 meters
poopmaster Oh
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05-09-2007 14:48
From: someone
this picture wipes out three of those reasons as far as i'm concerned. too much freedom creates too much uncertainty creates too much risk of having your view trashed and your land value deliberately deflated






dood

you have 700meters up to build on


your view is what you make it, the ground means nothing. plus my plots allways seem bigger at 500meters for some reason....;0




Freedom for one is freedome for all, if you want freedom but do not want your naybers to be free as well, then Private Land is for you.

I am proud to live as a free poopster, free to do as i please, free to let my naybers do as they please.


Freedom is NOT free, the fact is YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY PERSON ON THE PLANET and others have the same rights as you do.
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Tegg Bode
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05-11-2007 01:50
From: Jackson Rickenbacker
Oh yah, "sharks" as you call them are going to spend tens of thousands of dollars just to keep you from getting a good deal!!!!


What other excuse is there for people unable to rent out or sell the sims they already own to keep buying more?
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