bots buying lands from under ur feet

Telling him that there have been countless threads about this assumes that people/newbies read this forum avidly. It's simply not the case. Cut the guy some slack. It sucks that it was snatched.

If the landbot was anyone other than someone with the last name of M--lin, then contact the new owner. Some bot runners give back mistakes when contacted via IM. L--dbaron M--lin is the only one I know of that will ignore you completely.

Oh Raymond..............that is just part of "researching" before you do anything in SL. Don't you know that?

Great point.

How some of you can simply excuse that fact that he knowingly takes advantage of errors as "Well thats just capitalism" just disgust me. I guess it's easy to be so harsh and cold to someone else's loss when it didn't effect you. These actions are dirty and unethical and hiding under the TOS when theres no dought in anyones mind that this is wrong is just cowardly. It's not like he finds a good deal now and then, He hunts specifically for errors. He specifically and knowingly takes advantage of others. Thats not good business thats simply wrong no matter how you look at it. He has not found a better way to do business he has found a way to TOS legally steal from people. In real life action would be taken against it. The avastar did an article about someone reporting this thief to the FBI. http://www.the-avastar.com/epaper/archive/2007/TheAvaStar_Issue24.pdf
When someone specifically steals land and preys on others errors they are not a business person, they are nothing more than a thief.

Lets put a real life scenario to this:

1. You leave your house with door standing wide open (as in, you set up land to sell and don't bother restricting the sale to the person you were trying to sell to).

2. Some slug walks through the door and steals your TV (a low life running a land bot grabs the land).

Fact 1: You made a stupid mistake (haven't we all at some time in ouir lives?).
Fact 2: The thief (land bot runner) was a slug.
Fact 3: Just because you blew it does not make the thief (land bot runner) any less a low life.

Moral: Learn from your mistakes and move on.

While I am firmly in the camp that believes land bots should be banned as abuse, the fact is, as of now they are not. Bot runners are low lifes, but Lindens, by their refusal to take action to stop them, have given them a pass.

So for now, get used to it. Protect yourselves. Its what we're stuck with for now.

Yes. I mis-priced a chunk of sim..27,000 rather than 270,000, and was bought by a BOT. It was returned within 12 hours by the BOT owner. No reason why they should have returned it though as it was my mistake, albeit an obvious mistake, that would not have happened if I'd double-checked the price/sqm warning.
I have also deliberatly underpriced a 512 that I couldn't even give away (SIM always full) and watched with glee as a bot bought it. That 512 is still For sale 3 months later

Feel sorry for you.

Obviously, since this sort of things keeps happening - the heavily redundant system isnt intuitive enough for many newer Residents .

Since Residents are not given any warning about Land Bots - they dont have any reason to supsect the danger.

This would suggest Linden Labs should revamp the system.

One good idea made (by a land bot owner) would be to add a Transfer Land button .. thus being more intuitive than the sell for 0L idea.

Wow that sounds like a reasonable solution.

Lol, and you have the nerve to put "the worlds best person" under your forum avatar, but it doesn't surprise me, I've seen how you behave inworld.

Yeah they made a mistake, new people do, maybe you'll appreciate being abused and kicked around a bit when you make your next mistake ..........................

The best solution to this problem is for a final confirmation to occur once there is a buyer. In otherwords, once somebody wants to buy the land, the seller is given a message and requirement to approve the final sale of the land. If, after that, they STILL do not realize they are selling the land at a price they did not intend to nor whom they intenedted to sell to, then, they are truely an idiot and deserve the loss.

The absolute best solution would be to let land owners sell the land via auction, instead of setting a price.

Also, have "give land" as a menu option separate from land sales, in order to avoid people using the land sale tools for gifting and getting caught out like this.

yes, people may still make mistakes with this, but it's a bit more obvious that "giving" something shouldn't expect money in exchange.

Well, i think each Resident need to know or better need to learn the different rules between RL and SL. In RL you normally cant FLY but in SL you can. In RL you normally cant walk through trees or buildings or something else, but if they set as phantom you can in SL. In RL not anyone would buy land how large they do in SL too. So there are many different things in SL which doesnt exist in RL. Also there is an easy way to become a landlord lol, there is an easy way to become poor in SL. I ve had to learn some things in SL and one of the important things is, that i am really carefully about buy land or sell land. The prices at some land are really cheap but therefore you maybe get less prims or covenant or paying tierfee first before you get the land or something else. By buying the land you need to think about the way maybe you want to sell it later and how you can do it. Its easy to handle at the landsettings and i think its easy to understand, that it can be sold to anyone if it is set to sale to anyone.

Its bad for you and your friend that one of you loose the land cheap and the money too. But its really only the fault by you, because you didnt handle it right.

I usually don't agree with the poopmaster, but he has a point there. Land was set for sale to anyone. It was bought by someone, on a "first come first serve" basis. That's how it's supposed to work.

New people could also make the mistake to accidently abandon land, as I did once (a larger plot of land than I intended to abandon). Two thoughtless mouse clicks, déjà Doh. Governor Linden won't give anyone their abandoned land back either, one has to wait until it comes up in the auctions and buy it again.

Landbots prey on people's ignorance, plain and simple. There are methods to evade them, like setting the land for a specific person for sale, but some people just don't read all the options when selling a land parcel, or even know, or sometimes just space it, and there are the landbots, ready to take.

Sorry you lost your land, but you just learned a very expensive lesson.

Perhaps it would be better put as "It's not technically wrong, but it is unethical."
Putting it that way more clearly emphasises that the person doing the unethical thing is a spiritual pygmy and a sociopath.

Putting it the other way can imply to the listener that the speaker is supportive of unethical action. It's the same attitude where people bang on about their technical rights and ignore their responsibilities. It's the same attitude where people impose 16m ad plots on neighbourhoods. It's the attitude of sad empty people with shrivelled little souls.



If the problem of bots swooping on the unaware is a recurrent issue, then LL should pop up a clear warning-confirmation if someone sets a land sale to Anyone.

Linden Labs is still getting paid. They clearly don't care one way or another who is purchasing or maintaining the land, so long as they still get paid.

considering how large and annoying the land sale window became i consider losing your lad to a bot is now, not a simple mistake, but something you deserve due to your unacceptable stupidity.

So i suggest you find an activity less mentally challenging than the internet.

Its interssting what you are all saying, yes we do feel like we were stolen from, the seller (who wasnt me i was the buyer btw i had no control over putting my name in that transaction) just did not realise such things as bots existed. She quite stupidly now assumed that no one was about no one could buy it a harsh lesson to have learnt. We own ALL surrounding land to the land that was for sale, the right thing to do would have been for the greedy owner of that bot to say sorry my mistake bots are automatic here is the land back and next time use a name, instead this greedy person called Mysore Masala decided that he wanted to make 400% profit on the land through his unmoralistic and damn right cheating stealing ways. Tell me what would any of you poeple out there who are saying tough do, would you sell the land and keep the profit and sleep at night too??? or would u actually do the right thing and say yes abviously a mistake as u won half the sim heres the money back??

Perhaps a little harsh. There is a such thing as human error, or a simple lack of knowledge. People make mistakes, the real show of intelligence is not the act of making the mistake itself, but whether or not a person learns from the mistake afterwards. True stupid people are ones who repeatedly make the same mistake and don't understand why their life is so horrible.

You are talking about someone who uses landbots, knowing that they prey on ignorant people like your friend. Do I think it bothers them one bit and affects their sleep? No, not really. Would I use a landbot? No. Not even if I could turn Second Life into a full-time career, would I do that. Ethical or not though, we're not talking about someone who probably cares one whit whether it's right or wrong that you lost your land.

did you use recently the land sale window? it forbid you now to sell to, 0 to anyone has all nice red icons and stuffs, i don't think LL need to go further than that in the nannying of it's less cunning residents

Yes, I have, but you have to mentally put yourself in a mindset that there are bots out there lurking, waiting. To some people it's not something they spend a lot of time thinking about. There's a surprisingly large amount of people in-world who have no idea what a landbot is, and only a portion of people even read the forums, let alone post on them. Lack of knowledge still is not the same as stupidity, and I don't believe that their embarrassing mistake warrants your belittlement of their intelligence. Yes, it was a stupid mistake, but it was one mistake, and I am sure they wont be repeating it any time soon.

There are far more than enough 'safety measures' in the land sale. Honestly.. its your mistake, not theirs.

Bots or not.. you set land to 1l to sell to anyone and it shows up, people will tp in. They can grab it too, before you get a chance to. The blame for this rests entirely on the seller's lack of attention and reading.

The system works fine, its just people don't pay attention and expect to be babysat.



They do, last I sold land.

jamie - the buyer didn't steal anything, just buy what you set for sale to anyone.

You can single me out all you like, you're not being abusive to me, I can take criticism on the chin. However a couple of points, LL do do something about it to a degree, you have the option to sell to a specific person, not to a bot. Maybe there should be a sticky about it in the land sales forum but this option is there.



I've suggested before that there should be a cooling off period on land sales, this would effectively kill off bots. If you had to wait 24 hours before a deal was finalised then a scenario like the OP describes simply isn't going to happen.

However the point that should be raised loud and clear in threads like this (be it an unsympathetic message or not) is that if you want to sell land to a friend, ensure beyond any shadow of a doubt that you select the land to be only for sale to your friend.

Yes. And maybe it would help if there were some built-in delay--say five minutes--between when land was set For Sale and when that information is public in any form. (The jira seems to be down at the moment... there *must* be relevant requests in there to cite.)
I thought about this too, but if it applied to named avatar sales as well as the "to anybody" sales, it would be a problem for me personally, because I sometimes have to move land back and forth between groups on much less than 24 hour intervals.

Security measures on the land sales are irrelivant.

They do not mean one darn thing without LL actually TEACHING new residents how to USE the interface. While some of us may understand them from being here so long, or ~think~ the popups are intuitive, the fact comes down to it that for new residents SLis overwelming. (And if anyone says they read everything and understood it all before they started explorign in SL, then they are a bald faced liar.)

There is no training. HI and OI are a joke for instructions, and the KB is about as helpful as a rabid octopus with herpies.

Landbots exploit honest mistakes (we all make them). Is there a "legitimate" use for them? Maybe, but I've not seen one. What I have seen is a disgusting practice of LL's that LL IGNORES unethical use of these bots. While I agree that LL can not monitor all of SL (a bit too large a scale now), they CAN deal with instances like this that are brought to their attention. Pawning it off as "it's not our problem cause it didn't break rules we forgot to put in place" is a bunch of bullsh!&

I say it does violate the CS if not the ToS as it impacts negatively on another's enjoyment of SL. ie Griefing for lack of a more defined term. People making the mistakes are not hurting anyone, nor even attempting to interact with anyone other than themselves. Bots and their owners/creators are storming into the area and disrupting the other's enjoyment of Second Life. And from what I remember, that IS agsint the rules.

Quite frankly, I expect this type of behavior from other residents. I know the world is full of crooks. That LL takes the "it's not our problem" attitude sickens me.

~Jessy