what to do when a Casino cheats you??

Exactly. And for that reason, that you simply can't tell and can't rely on regulation of gambling in-world, I am amazed that we see nearly daily "a casino ripped me off" threads...

So many knockers

Why are you all so anti casinos?

its not because they dont pay out, as i can guarantee they do because im a professional gambler here in SL and i always make money in SL casinos.

Im not saying that there are places that wont rip you off but if know who you can trust and which casinos to go to gambling in SL is just as fair as in RL.

There are a lot of people in SL who gamble on a regular basis, in fact quite use it exclusively for gambling but these people who gamble regularly have figured out where they like to go and who they can trust.

Any reputable casino owner would not have machines that rip you off as they would quickly go out of business, you could never get regulars if you dont have fair machines.

Also, can you please explain to me how a poker house could possibly rip you off with a rigged table considering that the 2 largest poker houses in SL (four deuces and myths) both use tables made by VGA which they have nothing to do with (except as customers obviously).

So you think they have someone on their tables who knows the cards and works for the casinos, now consider the fact that both these poker houses have several sims dedicated to poker and a lot of tables. Do you know how much manpower/womanpower would be required to do this? Trust me, they make a lot more on their rake (only 3%) for a lot less effort and evidence of this can be found at WSElive.com.

So both these poker houses have a 97% payout on their poker tables, how is this any worse than in RL?

You people need to do some research before you go making outrageous conspiracy theories up. I do agree that there are places that will rip you off but if you know where to go this will not happen.

Of course it's technically a theft. But there's something called commensurability. When you try to file a lawsuit because someone robbed you of 2 cigarettes or a box of matchsticks, you won't get very far.

The Linden dollar has a certain RL value, and L$150 equals (more or less) 2 cigarettes or a box of matchsticks (had a typo in my previous post, it's 56 cents and not 65). The OP may have spend hours on a camping chair to earn the few cents, but that doesn't increase their value. It just shows how stupid the practice of camping is, when a mere $4 will buy you more than a thousand L$.

To answer the OPs question: all you can do is not to visit the place anymore, write the owner an upset IM to vent some anger, mention the incident on your blog and perhaps tell your friends to stay away from that place.

I am reminded of the old western story of a cowboy who sees his friend in the local pub, playing dice.

"Bart!" he says. "Whatever are you doing here? You KNOW this game is crooked!"

"Yep," Bart answers. "But it's the only game in town."

@5:22 OP names names
@5:28 he's told "Oh, naming names in this forum is likely to get you banned. Just an fyi."

@ multiple times OP is told to remove the name

@2:59 OP reply's. names remain unremoved (he is present to the thread and delibrately ignoring the rule)

@now names remain unremoved and this thread still isn't locked.

the mods have a RL?

Make a complaint to the FBI. Online casinos are illegal.

The problem isn't that they are all crooked (there are honest ones). The problem is that, without regulation, there is no way to tell. You can't even look at the name of the gambling machin/table's maker and trust his reputation, as all the SL interface let's you see is the name of whoever made the prim, not the scripts inside.

Until you can show a way in which a random visitor can know your casino is one of the white hats, the only sensible course of action is to assume they are all questionable.

ty for all the positive feedbacks..and those negative people, I am new somewhat and I did not know about putting names in treads. You bash me for it yet there are plunty with names in the Title line. I guess i just have to know like RL there are lots of cheats, scum and idiots in SL also. And yes i know it was not much but its just the point. If I walked up and hit you in the face but i did not do it real hard would you get mad or say I guess he could have hit me harder and let it go????

it's not really your fault, racer. but i'm sure there's nothing you can do about it really. and now you know.

but you did win L$800 previously, so

try to forget about it now. it's very sucky, i agree. but it's sure not worth being all bent up about.

take care. and stick to the honest professions, like shopping. LOL

about naming names..... now you know (again). be careful on that one. less tolerance.

Join a RL gang or become involved an organized crime syndicate. Then you will be compensated for gambling away ill gotten means. Is there a reason for casinos OTHER than money laundering?

It doesn't matter how small the amount of money involved is. The point is this person was cheated and that's it.

As far as naming names, good, name them and if even one person reads the name and stays away from this place it will of been worth it to the op.

Any time I've accidently teleported into a casino while looking for a land sale or just visiting a region I find myself wondering how the casinos make any money at all, they're always totally deserted. So with that in mind maybe you bankrupted the casino.

Wait, all we have is his side of the story that he was cheated. He may or may not have been. Do casino's cheat? Yes Do all of them? No

If you are gonna play 3 card Monte on the sidewalk, I don't have a lot of sympathy for you. Going to a casino RL or SL is like trying to out hustle the Monte dealers, it ain't gonna happen.

you know chris I really have better things in life to do than make up some story about being cheated. And if i really wanted to make one up it would be for more than 150 L.

All we have is your side of the story, why should I trust you anymore than I would a casino operator? For all I know you could be an ex lover, a competitor or an upset neighbor.

o wow..now i have heard it all..if i could put names here i could give you one to verify what happened but that is not allowed so believe what you want.

you really just need to let it go now. it happened, it's over.

go buy a pair of boots and you'll feel better.

Remember when you clicked Yes willy-nilly to the Terms of Service without reading it when you signed up for a Second Life account from Linden Lab? It said this:



We know... we know... it's not your fault you manipulated your own mouse and your own keyboard and wound up in a casino. It's not your fault that you wanted to make an oh-so grown up decision to engage in a risky behavior, gambling, and when the expected payout didn't arrive gnash your teeth, pull your hair, and stomp your feet.

*Hands the OP a juicebox and wanders off*

A friend and I were discussing this. We came to the conclusion, that due to the ban on casino advertising, those gambling houses who met their payouts (and possibly have better odds and/or more "honest" machinery) would get better word-of-mouth.

This is always something to consider in a "warning thread." We rarely have enough information to know what happened. In this case the only thing we know is a GAMBLING machine didn't pay out for whatever reason. As to why (or if there was any motivation) is purely speculation.

The reason why I highlight gambling is it involves risk: The participant was willing to risk losing money. Having expressed a willingness to lose money the participant cannot now complain that they lost money (failure to get expected payout).

Oh, and in the grand scheme of things, the casino didn't "cheat" (rig the game) but "welched" (failed to make the expected payout).

Having Welsh ancestors, I take great offense at that term.

I didn't say, "welshed," but "welched," but both mean the same thing:
verb: "to swindle someone by not paying a debt, especially a gambling debt"

We did the best we could after we invaded in 1066 but for whatever reasons everyone refused to learn proper French.

I blame music videos.

Believe it or not, there are sympathetic people in SL; pretty much everyone has gotten "taken" in a large or small way, especially when they were new. Welcome to the club. Just remember that a basic law of commerce and of life in general on Earth applies here too: Never Trust Anyone.

See, there is an awful lot of deceit in the world, SL included, and in forums or even VR spaces like SL a lot of the little cues we depend on in RL to spot suspicious behavior are simply not available. We have had very persuasive-sounding complaints on this forum by OP's that turned out to be the actual malefactors in the case and lying through their teeth. Chris is just reminding people of that point; nothing personal involved there, I'm sure.

It is also true that the forums have more than their share of people who like to kick somone when he's down; the forums appear to attract them. Understand that, wipe the bootprints off of wherever they kicked you, and do call them out on being the mean-spirited jerks that they are and do what you can to expose them as useless fools. They deserve it, you will feel better for it, and it will be educational to most readers of the forums.

As for the "no-names" policy on the forums: It is there for a good reason - which is the propensity for nasty-minded people to libel others for their own reasons, which can include incredibly petty spite. In your case, I wouldn't worry about it too much. LL can ban people for it, but they appear to understand the difference between justifiable outrage and poisonous, deceitful malice. I think worst case penalty for this thread: It eventually gets locked. But I hope not; in some ways it is quite educational.

Finally, the famous pseudo-Latin motto applies here in SL in spades: Non illegitimi carborundum. Said to mean "Don't let the bastards wear you down." : )

SL is a new world, it can be a very absorbing and worthwhile place to be. It is also the first really serious iteration of what people refer to as the Metaverse - a platform for one-on-one communication with, potentially, anyone in the world - and so will have revolutionary effects on the future of the world, whether SL prevails in the long run or not. I personally think it is worth a lot more grief than I have encountered to be part of that, and I hope you will draw the same conclusion for yourself. We need more sensible people here, to dilute the presence of the assholes.