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Landbot Steals Another 20000 Metres From Anshe Chung This Time

Count Burks
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04-10-2007 12:22
Looks like the landbot "I won't name it but we all know who it is" striked again today.
I just logged on and saw 20128 metres of land listed, again by this landbot who robbed 570000 linden or 44800 metres of land from an Italian lady two days ago.

Ok let's get back to the 20128 metres that it stole today.

Sim name: Ulyanovsk Oblast
All other land is owned and for sale on this sim by ANSHE CHUNG

Now hop over to that sim and take a landmark, I did because I am so intrigued to see what will happen here. Will the Lindens leave their biggest client in the cold just like they have done with those Italian ladies earlier this week or will things be different now?

Fact is this particular landbot has stolen more than 1 sim in 3 days. It's getting rediculous now isn't it?
Atashi Yue
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04-10-2007 12:27
How did the landbot steal it? I'm confused.
Johan Durant
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04-10-2007 12:32
It mugged her; she forgot to set no-damage on her land.
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Podo Umarov
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04-10-2007 12:33
Someone makes a mistake and really underprices a piece of land and puts it up for sale for about 1 second.

A landbot immediately snaps it up and sells it for a profit in like 5 seconds.
Atashi Yue
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04-10-2007 12:39
Not a mistake that Anshe would be making I would think.
Colette Meiji
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04-10-2007 12:41
Anshe has people working for her i beleive.

IS this story a fact? Unfortunately it is kind of breif on explaination , unlike the other thread.
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04-10-2007 12:41
a mistake is not theft.
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04-10-2007 12:42
From: poopmaster Oh
a mistake is not theft.


Correct

Its exploitation.
Har Fairweather
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04-10-2007 12:45
Just occurred to me: I see no landbot scripts for sale in SL.

If I'm not missing something, this may not be an internal SL matter to be settled among the residents themselves. This may be the first (to my limited knowledge) successful hack of SL that has succeeded in robbing SL - and therefore Linden Labs itself. Now this thing has already accumulated several thousand US$ in just a couple of transactions we have seen reported; God knows how much more it may have stolen from SL residents capturing and flipping properties.

Does anybody imagine the landbotters are going to just spend it all on tipping poledancers, when we are talking about enough thousands of US$ to matter to almost anyone short of Bill Gates? Does anyone think most if not all of this money will do anything but be cashed out? That is money leaving Linden Labs' pockets as well as the residents' pockets.

HOW MUCH MONEY DOES LINDEN LABS WANT TO PAY OUT TO THIS GUY FOR CHEATING LEGITIMATE SL RESIDENTS? PHILIP ROSEDALE, HOW MANY MORE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF YOUR REVENUES DO YOU WANT TO HAND OUT TO PEOPLE LIKE THIS?

Of course, I am presuming the owner(s) of the successful landbot(s) is or are not Lindens screwing over the residents. If that is the case, and I urgently hope it is not, then we will all need to leave here and go find the next best virtual reality space in the Internet and continue our leap into the future with hopefully honest people, which I still presume and hope for the Lindens to be.

Personally, I hope this gets cleaned up pronto - and I am not even a landowner, so the immediate effect on me is nil. I am just someone who thinks this is an experiment too important to be undermined and destroyed by criminals.
Count Burks
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04-10-2007 12:54
From: Colette Meiji
Anshe has people working for her i beleive.

IS this story a fact? Unfortunately it is kind of breif on explaination , unlike the other thread.


Well I listed the name of the sim, it's up to you to verify it and visit the sim in question.
At this moment that 20128 metres are also listed under the mainland land sales.

I will even drop you a landmark to the place in question so you can see it for yourself.
Colette Meiji
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04-10-2007 12:54
From: Har Fairweather
Just occurred to me: I see no landbot scripts for sale in SL.

If I'm not missing something, this may not be an internal SL matter to be settled among the residents themselves. This may be the first (to my limited knowledge) successful hack of SL that has succeeded in robbing SL - and therefore Linden Labs itself. Now this thing has already accumulated several thousand US$ in just a couple of transactions we have seen reported; God knows how much more it may have stolen from SL residents capturing and flipping properties.

Does anybody imagine the landbotters are going to just spend it all on tipping poledancers, when we are talking about enough thousands of US$ to matter to almost anyone short of Bill Gates? Does anyone think most if not all of this money will do anything but be cashed out? That is money leaving Linden Labs' pockets as well as the residents' pockets.

HOW MUCH MONEY DOES LINDEN LABS WANT TO PAY OUT TO THIS GUY FOR CHEATING LEGITIMATE SL RESIDENTS? PHILIP ROSEDALE, HOW MANY MORE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF YOUR REVENUES DO YOU WANT TO HAND OUT TO PEOPLE LIKE THIS?

Of course, I am presuming the owner(s) of the successful landbot(s) is or are not Lindens screwing over the residents. If that is the case, and I urgently hope it is not, then we will all need to leave here and go find the next best virtual reality space in the Internet and continue our leap into the future with hopefully honest people, which I still presume and hope for the Lindens to be.

Personally, I hope this gets cleaned up pronto - and I am not even a landowner, so the immediate effect on me is nil. I am just someone who thinks this is an experiment too important to be undermined and destroyed by criminals.



While I think your hearts in the right place, I dont think Landbots cost the Lindens money directly.

Since the land is bought and sold between players,

The lindens get their money from auctioning the sims in the first place.

The only revenues Linden Labs loses is when people quit Second Life becuase they were finaicially ruined becuase of a land bot. Those people who quit of course dont spend money in SL anymore. Im sure does happen, but must be hard to track.

It would be interesting to know if this is offset by Sim auction prices being higher overall becuase whatever effect the Bots have had on raising Land Prices.

Its possible that Land Bots actually make the Lindens money.

Still - Your outrage I think is correct, why dont the Lindens see this as enough of a problem to tell us its an issue, in the very least.
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04-10-2007 12:55
From: Count Burks
Well I listed the name of the sim, it's up to you to verify it and visit the sim in question.
At this moment that 20128 metres are also listed under the mainland land sales.

I will even drop you a landmark to the place in question so you can see it for yourself.



How does this show me how little Anshe Co. got for the land?



-- Im not accusing you of making things up. Its just I didnt see where you are a freind of Anshe's or work for her and thus this thread is kind of third hand information. It might be as you say 100% factual.
Count Burks
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04-10-2007 13:06
From: Colette Meiji
How does this show me how little Anshe Co. got for the land?



-- Im not accusing you of making things up. Its just I didnt see where you are a freind of Anshe's or work for her and thus this thread is kind of third hand information. It might be as you say 100% factual.


Ow that is very easy to explain:

1. It's her sim, she bought it at auction so the land is hers, no doubt about it.

2. The bot only buys up land under a certain amount, 10L per metre just to put a figure on it. Bots won't buy land at 11 since that doesn't leave them enough margin. They are very greedy you know. So the loss on the land can vary from any number between 0.1 and about 10L per metre. I have no idea how big the loss on this particular parcel is, fact is that a mistake was made and the bot bought the land which leaves the owner with a loss since they paid more than 10L per metre for the land when they purchased it.
Colette Meiji
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04-10-2007 13:16
From: Count Burks
Ow that is very easy to explain:

1. It's her sim, she bought it at auction so the land is hers, no doubt about it.

2. The bot only buys up land under a certain amount, 10L per metre just to put a figure on it. Bots won't buy land at 11 since that doesn't leave them enough margin. They are very greedy you know. So the loss on the land can vary from any number between 0.1 and about 10L per metre. I have no idea how big the loss on this particular parcel is, fact is that a mistake was made and the bot bought the land which leaves the owner with a loss since they paid more than 10L per metre for the land when they purchased it.


Interesting.

Well I would hope Anshe had some clout on this issue.

However I remember hearing a year or more back her account was suspended shortly. SO I suppose maybe she doesnt have any clout either =/ .
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04-10-2007 13:19
If this case is genuine it looks like we *might* finally see some movement on the landbot issue. Sure, we all know AC could quite easily write off the loss but I doubt she'd stand for it and I hope the Italian lady who was ripped off gets recourse very soon as well.
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Jopsy Pendragon
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04-10-2007 13:25
Please use the "Current Version Feedback" forum to rant about Landbots. :D
Colette Meiji
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04-10-2007 13:27
From: Jopsy Pendragon
Please use the "Current Version Feedback" forum to rant about Landbots. :D



Id like a Landbot forum to rant only about Landbots 24/7 :p

Still it does seem they are like super land swoopers to add to the other concerns.
Reverend Herzog
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04-10-2007 13:29
*bites his tongue and refuses to say anything about landbots since he just finished serving a three day suspension for using anti-landbot tphome scripts that Spike Linden had told him were ok to use*
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04-10-2007 13:30
where do you get landbots anyway?
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04-10-2007 13:32
*bites his tongue and resists the urge to respond to this thread since he just finished serving a three day suspension for using anti-landbot scripts that Spike Linden had told him were ok to use*
Elanthius Flagstaff
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04-10-2007 13:45
Just wanted to say that I saw this come up as well. It was 20128sqm for L$2000 in Ulyanovsk Oblast sim. I didn't catch who the original owner was though.
Ricky Zamboni
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04-10-2007 14:15
From: poopmaster Oh
a mistake is not theft.

Technically, it's conversion. If an obvious mistake has been made in pricing something, then by definition, no contract is formed and there is no sale.

Basically, the law says you're not allowed to take advantage of someone else's obvious mistake. Generally, enforcing that is a matter of taking someone to court. Why not throw a small claims suit out there? Subpoena LL to get the swooper's RL info, and if they don't provide it, add them to the suit.
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04-10-2007 14:19
From: Colette Meiji
Anshe has people working for her i beleive.

IS this story a fact? Unfortunately it is kind of breif on explaination , unlike the other thread.

The bot prolly is Anshe and she just forgot to sign over a piece lol
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04-10-2007 14:27
From: Jopsy Pendragon
Please use the "Current Version Feedback" forum to rant about Landbots. :D

So do you ever make valid points or do you just go from thread to thread and knit pick about stupid crap, like what catagory something should be listed under. People like to discuss issues in sl, no one cares about catagory it's in , and no one needs the catagory police.
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04-10-2007 14:38
From: Ricky Zamboni
Technically, it's conversion. If an obvious mistake has been made in pricing something, then by definition, no contract is formed and there is no sale.

Basically, the law says you're not allowed to take advantage of someone else's obvious mistake. Generally, enforcing that is a matter of taking someone to court. Why not throw a small claims suit out there? Subpoena LL to get the swooper's RL info, and if they don't provide it, add them to the suit.


You would think the Lindens could have put code in to check for this

"You are trying to sell you land for X, this is only 1$/sqm - thats far below the average price of 10$/SQM, are you sure? "

In fact i can think of several redunancies they could have added to make land selling more idiot proof.
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