Have you been to the Blog lately?

I don't like the name calling here, Chip. It has been one way to silence people to label them as reactionary moralists so their opinion doesn't count from the start. It is not blindingly simply logic. From RL experience dealing with victims of violence, at a conference (very free of reactionaries) scientific evidence in the form of brain scans taken during violent video games showed which parts of the brain were stimulated (hind brain..the lizard brain as it turns out). As well, forms of brainwashing require constant reinforcement of something as being right when it is presented in a way to normalize it like violence as the first response to aggressive action.

I work in the bigger picture; in film and television and it is well known that it is the inadequate artist that relies on sex or violence to cover up the lack of story in his work. Individual tastes don't come into this on either side unless you are saying the the individual taste of someone who likes age play matters more than the taste of someone who doesn't.

Censorship imposed by an outside source really sucks. Censorship imposed from an external source because people lost the ability to govern themselves sucks very much indeed.

Hearing that from you is kinda like taking to Brenda about unverifieds or Colette about searchbots or Usagi about.. uh.. anything at all.

Not an objective press, sigh. But at least the press is still free to follow what it deems important.

Something I've just realized is that if Second Life were ever to become big in Arab countries, their insane moral laws would kill SL.

What is your back up for this? The original web was developed for moving info between military and then universities. The military is probably the number one source of innovation with the research being next. There have always been people willing to exploit other people to make money. Porn usually degrades every venue it touches: the web, painting, TV, magazines, video games...the values drop like a stone. Just like porn isn't about sex, porn isn't about the medium either.

Wow, this leaves me speechless. How brainwashed are you? Talk about a generalization.

Moral laws evolve, not all people in a country think the same way. Not all European countries think the same way, not all Arab countries think the same way. Jeesz!

Im not sure they said they have signed already - since just the other day they said they hadnt signed one yet and anyone they did sign would have to abide by their privacy policy.

Maybe thats why Arisotle feels that it wont happen - they dont liek LL's privacy policy.

ANYWAY LL doesnt really lie or misdirect -

They explain poorly and leave stuff out.

Theres a big difference - and I dont think they do it intentionally.

Well, my light hearted tone aside...

Porn may "degrade" a format's worthiness but no industry moves in and exploits as readily. Did I say the internet was designed/made for porn? No. I was saying that porn has certainly exploited the format flawlessly. Values and money aren't the same thing and I doubt those making the latter from porn care about the former. My point, which was still meant light heartedly, is that porn has never shied from a new opportunity.... Jeez.

No and neither do gun dealers shy away from the next little war. Being greedy and exploiting people's weaknesses is not really much of a accolade.

I did not say that the pornmongers deserve medals, simply said what they do.

From http://www.gridgrind.com/?p=65 and http://forums.secondcitizen.com/showthread.php?t=12397
Notice these were posted on tuesday, the reuters interview in which an integrity spokesperson denied any contract existing was posted wednesday.

Robins response was to the question:

I prefer the term SPYBOT

A searchbot would really look for something in particular

IRL they dont call them "Search" Satelites.



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But you are right Sys is being overly Paranoid about Linden Lab's methods - In my opinion.

No but is has been a way of doing business for 2,000 years or so. And many of today's "Business Institutions" got started that way.

LOL could you have found an example with more words maybe ? Like say a Cell Phone Bill?

Could you quote the relevant portion for me?

wow.

Huh?What did I do?

Hey you can't knock Role Play, if people want to play Dungeons & Dragons or Star Wars online here it's not evil.
So STOP USING THE TERM ROLE PLAY AS DISGUSTING
Even if you are to take it a sexual RP, what's wrong with playing Dom/Sub, or Doctor/Nurse or Fireman/Rescuee
Gawd let other people have their spice in their lives, childplay is a seperate issue.

You don't think the police could track most internet users RL identity down in a few hours?
Unless you went to extreme lenghts of going through international ISP's etc a few phone calls and some faxes would have most ISP's providing everything the police wanted to know pretty quickly.

Well when you hand out free masks at the door what should LL expect?

hmm. Why not keep porn out of this, as it has nothing to do with the topic. It's so easy to blame porn for everything, when porn actually seldom is to blame. People are to blame. You don't blame matches for a fire that ends with dead people - no, you blame the one(s) who used the matches. Don't blame porn for pedophelia. And by the way, there is no such thing as child porn - cuz it isn't porn, it's abuse.

I've been playing violent video games and watching violent media since I was a child, yet I am a pacifist. I am not the exception to the rule. When you start restricting people's freedoms based on the potential for bad things to happen as a result, where do you stop? The way societies determine what's acceptable and what isn't has absolutely nothing to do with the actual harm they cause. For example, compare how many people die as the result of terrorism every year in the world to how many die of the flu, yet we see terrorism as the greatest threat to mankind and the flu as something we barely consider or worry about despite the fact that it results in far more death. It's not rational.



That must be why Lolita is considered one of the great classics of 20th century literature, because the author covered up for a lack of story with sex? Shall we make laws based on such ridiculous generalizations? And yes, I am saying that individual rights where no harm is being done to others should always outweigh societal taboos. The United States has the highest percentage of it's population in prison of any country on Earth, and that has everything to do with our drug laws. Those laws are based not on rational statistical assessments of risk but on religious notions of vice and fear mongering for political gain. Marijuana is a more benign substance than aspirin. It's impossible to die as a direct result of pot. Aspirins kills hundreds of people every year. We have thousands of people in prison, their lives ruined, their families torn apart, as a direct result of those laws. If you compare the harm done by the laws to the activities they prohibit, the laws are by far more harmful. Again this is the direct result of reactionary thinking, not rational assessment.



A certain percentage of the populace will always be incapable of self-regulating their behavior. So it has always been. So it will ever be - no matter what laws and prohibitions are enacted. Is the loss of freedom to everyone else ultimately worth it when those behaviors will continue unabated regardless? I don't believe so, and I say that as someone with absolutely zero interest in ageplay. It's a matter of principle. What two consenting adults do with each other is no one's business but their own unless it directly harms a third party, not just offends a third party.

From the gridgrind, whose logs must be from Cindy.


On closer inspection, Robin does say further on that the contract is not finalized:


But, saying that they have a contract with integrity, unless questioned directly on whether that contract is finalized, goes to misdirection.
Theoretically, a contract could exist in a non finalized state, but that is not what we get from integrity:

The same level of behaviour I expect from everyone. A free mask doesn't mean leave your heart, brain and conscience at the door.

I don't think they'd feed the details back to LL. Not in an ongoing investigation.

Evidently you hit one of her sore spots.

Pornography isnt the root of all sexual topic related evil.

And yes it did effect the growth of the Internet, and not for the worse.

People dont like how much Porn is on the Internet, thats true - but to think it would be as big as it is now without the money from the porn portion is a bit naive.

Porn didnt corrupt the internet either - I have read recently that Porn Sites in relation to the size of the internet are down. SO as a percentage the non Adult parts of the internet are becoeming less "tarnished"


The Reason Pornography is part of every media type is a lot simpler - Sex is a part of life. And sex sells. And Pornography is the adult edge of that.

Quite definitely. Would be nice if SL wasn't one of them. And usually as soon as a biz can, it goes "legit" and hides the skeletons.