Is it just the men that grief?

Do the men hold title as sole griefers in game? You never seem to see a woman wearing a huge vagina attachment in a pg area.

Maybe because they'd all be too busy drooling to have the time to AR, then?

But seriously, I think male bits have the longer "tradition" of beeing potentially offensive. I think emancipation didn't yet reach griefing. If you wanna tell someone "F*** you!", with what would that be done?

Besides, I think many griefers _are_ actually males in RL with an urge to.. well... overemphasize. (I'm the biggest, best, most important guy here, look at me, respect me for I can ruin your lifes, you're all at my mercy, etc. yadda yadda.) I think this "look at me" is one of the major reasons people do grief, as it's, to them, the only way they know how to get attention.

That also means that ignoring griefers is one of the best ways to really ruin the fun for them ^.^

*waves*
Fairlight!

In my experience no, although it's probably fair to say a majority of griefers are male.

But not all.

Males have an inbuilt need to feel they are powerful and respected, this can be seen in mammals too, its particularly prevelant in adolescents.

Ever hear a woman say "he is a great guy till he is with his friends"?

In groups of peers each member has a need to prove himself to the others, I remember me and my friends used to shoplift when I was about 14, it was not because we wanted the things, it was to show to each other how fearless we were, the person who came out and didnt get anything was looked upon as less of a man by the whole group, sure I cringe when I think about that now but at the time it was very important.
This factor is the reason groups of males often behave worse than one on his own.

It has been said that these griefers are often grouped, in which case if they succeed in distrupting or crashing a sim you can bet they are all relating their tales of heroism to each other after.
I have also seen posts on forums with a guy admitting it was him who did the grid crash/weapon attacks etc, and how he got away with it and they wont ban him etc, read between the lines and all you will see is "please give me attention and respect, look how powerful and infamous I am", being a criminal has the same "cool rating" as doing good things, look Im Billy the Kid, Im an outlaw, there is a price on my head, fear me.

This behaviour also has perfectly good reason, females of a similar age actually go for these types, bad boys, presumably because they seem more dominant, its the choice between the meek, mild mannered shy puppy dog and the James Dean rebel without a cause.

Testosterone is the thing, at that age it is just starting to kick in and they dont have the experience to control it, its a steroid and causes them to act this way.

For proof of this, take a Tom cat, as a kitten both sexes behave in a similar manner, but once adolescent males start to fight and spray and sit on the fence wailing(to make him appear more dominant and attract females), all undesirable things, so people take them to the vets to be castrated, this completely changes their behaviour, because removing the tetacles removes the testosterone.


http://www.4-men.org/testosterone-information.html

http://salmon.psy.plym.ac.uk/year2/aggression/aggression.html#Female%20aggression

So, as a result, one could say that griefers should be castrated, as that would "fix" their inappropriate behaviour... ^.^

Oh girls can grief too ...

... but we are more subtle about it, cause great damage and nobody notices it was us.

Sneaky! From now on I shall question every girl that talks to me in SL. "Excuse me, just to be sure, are you currently griefing me and I just don't realize it?" ^.^ *PARANOIA!*

The answer would probably be: "Maybe ..."

Regardless of their gender or chronological age, Griefers are not "men". They are immature little boys who have not learned any sense of responsibility, and who usually have no ethics at all.

Most are male. Some are female. They all are petty criminals and vandals.

I think most griefing is done by people who are very young (either they just turned 19 or they are actually under age) ever time I see it - I think it's an underager trying to get attention.

Actually, three of our most persistent griefers had female avs, and one of the most offensive was known female IRL.

I can supply histories but, of course, not on the forum.

Speaking of the forums, some of the greatest 'antagonists' here, were female. Whether or not you consider that griefing or trolling is certainly a matter of opinion.

But it seems to me such generalizations, such as "women dont grief, only men do" can't possibly stand up to much scrutiny. I've heard similar claims in the past, such as "there have been no female serial killers - not a one." (when semantics get argued, it's often claimed that the female serial killers that have existed are actually 'sequence killers' or 'only committed 3 crimes so that does not make them serial'. Whatever.)

On the other hand, if someone is just trying to make themselves feel better behind the mask of their gender by making a sweeping statement and perhaps suggesting that women are predisposed to nothing more heinous than hugs, kisses, and sunlight - well, I'd say that such an idea at least walks up to the line of trolling and teases it, if it doesn't cross it.

The phenomena which Craig described above is the concept of "groupthink", and hierarchy it absolutely is not limited to men. The need to 'show off when in a group' happens with humans in general - if you want to get into evolution, female bonobos have been known to "display" to the rest of their group.

That notwithstanding, my little sister RL tries real hard to 'show off' whenever she's with a group of friends. Young age allows this to show through more since judgement doesn't stop it.

Anyone is capable of harrassment, antagonism, and assault. Many engage in it. And nobody is born with a "you can't blame me" card.

I dunno. Sometimes too much bling can be its own form of grief...

Good point, LOL!

I say ban all males, that will get rid of griefers.

While I have no actual statistics it wouldn't surprise me if most "shoot-em-up" griefers, who strap on a cage gun and a giant penis and go to shoot up a club or whatever, were adolescent males. However, the "feud" form of griefing that's probably more prevalent, and can make people's lives much more miserable - land spam, whispering campaigns, spying, theft, abuse, going on and on and on - that'll have just as many female as male perpetrators.

Some of the biggest hecklers in SL are female in RL.

Regards,

-Flip

Hello all,

Just wanted to say there are some of us guys who GET IT, what SL is all about. The opportunity to communicate and interact with a variety of people from accross the Globe. We are here to make friends, start businesses and contribute.

In short we have substance and something to say.

The mindless little juveniles who treat SL like a GAME are used to pushing and dominating Non Player Characters and have yet to realize there are real souls behind these avatars and avataras.

So I agree most are boys. I ran into one yesterday and had to set him straight.
Once he met with opposition and intellect he quickly logged out. Yes Dan1267 I am speaking of you!

Thanks all,

LeVey Palou

Quite so, LeVay! Most of the people I know in SL, males as well as females, are wonderful people. It's a shame that the griefers can't seem to get past glorifying what is (or more likely isn't) in their own pants long enough to actually think of others and realize that others have value as well. I know ten year olds who have a better sense of right and wrong than most of those griefers.

Challenging a griefer to a battle of wits often takes the wind out of their sails in a hurry. Most are incapable of intelligent, civil discourse. Then again, it isn't very fair to fight an unarmed opponent like that. Personally, I just ignore and AR them, and try to stay as far from them as I can. They crave attention, and if they don't get it, then griefing becomes boring.

I would agree also with the poster who pointed out that a "Feud" griefer may well be of either gender, and is a different case. Someone who feels, rightly or wrongly, that they have been "wronged" and is striking back can get very vicious, and all too often, they don't care who else gets hurt.

Works for me,, Go for it.

Angel

The first person I ever had to eject from my land was a woman. So no, not all the griefers are male.

They started off castrated. I think that's what caused it.

"You want 600 L$ for WHAT?!"

....

And there you have the birth of griefing.

Behind every good man.... is a woman

Ok, Had to Laugh for ten minutes before responding to this one.

Honestly, I would think it would be Easy to Characterize All griefers as Young Males Given their prediliction for Infantile Potty Humor, but griefing takes more forms than simply dressing as outsized genetalia.
One of the Worst griefers i Knew was a cunning, subtle con artist who routinely took people for tens of thousands of Lindens. in short, a professional Thief.
And definately a Woman.
As griefers go she was head and shoulders LOWER on the evolutionary scale than some developementally stunted Moron with a Flex penis stuck to his forehead.

No, Not all Male, and not all Irritating-but-Harmless.

Angel.

Grid attack ...and I cant post there...>:

rrrr

.......straps on her penis hat, grabs her cage gun and heads out RL*

Oh, wait.....

but what about the good gay guys? what's behind them?

Hmm, maybe I don't want to know...