About our RP communities, Friendships, Economy, and Voice. Expectations, Concerns?
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Cocoanut Koala
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05-14-2007 16:04
From: SqueezeOne Pow I really don't think you'll get that as much with v-chat. A lot of what makes someone feel like that's okay to say is the anonymity of typing with a fake name over your av.
I had to deal with someone that was being annoying and I just told them to shut the hell up...and he did!
We'll see... You know what I just figured out - it's probably BECAUSE I'm sitting there alone on my lot, and am a reasonably pleasant individual, that I get more of these than someone who actually hangs out with a group a lot, like you were talking about. A group is more intimidating to someone trying to hook up, I suppose. coco P.S. Note to self: DEFINITELY disable voice on my lot. (Assuming I can.) |
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Elinah Iredell
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05-14-2007 16:12
From: Cheyenne Marquez I'm not looking forward to the verbal harassment that voice will bring. You are sadly mistaken if you dont think this will be an issue for women.
And it goes on and on. I hadnt even thought of that you are so right... Elinah |
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Elinah Iredell
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05-14-2007 16:22
From: Colette Meiji Heres my thoughts on what will happen on the gender stuff -
Widespread use of voice changers could even lead to more Gender benders using voice than actual women. (much easier to voice from Mom's basement than the Family den)
Should be interesting to watch. How do voice changers work in this application?Do they really offer a convincingly real sounding voice? Or one of those fake computer warped voices? Elinah |
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SqueezeOne Pow
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05-14-2007 16:29
From: Elinah Iredell How do voice changers work in this application?Do they really offer a convincingly real sounding voice? Or one of those fake computer warped voices?
Elinah No...they're easy to spot if you're paying attention. I ran into a couple man chicks that weren't even trying to sound effeminite but had the old scrambler set to "girl". There were a couple others that were questionable and if I really cared I probably could have pressed the issue with them to find out. Just like before, you can always ignore the facts and just concentrate on your fantasy. I think it's just going to be a matter of learning how to legitimately talk like a lady and setting your scrambler to the right setting. I just realized I live in a world where the above post isn't weird.
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Colette Meiji
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05-14-2007 16:39
From: Elinah Iredell How do voice changers work in this application?Do they really offer a convincingly real sounding voice? Or one of those fake computer warped voices?
Elinah No idea - they dont actually have to work all that well for the paranoia of the "voice as gender verifcation" crowd to return. Just needs to be widely used. Well see what happens .. Im told it already small scale in First Person shooter type online games. |
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Atashi Yue
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05-14-2007 16:40
From: SqueezeOne Pow You know, one thing everyone should bear in mind before they make up their minds about v-chat so quickly is that it's new. There is going to be a whole new set of rules and ettiquite (sp?) for communication and I really don't think anyone has figured it out beyond the basic rules that apply to regular conversation.
If people would go into this with an actual open mind then maybe we'll end up being in a situation where we can all communicate with either mode and it will end up being pretty seamless. It seems to me like it would turn into something similar to bilingual people switching back and fourth between languages in a conversation with each other.
Some things are better conveyed in typing and some are better in voice. Why can't we all get along?? Huge ettiquite curve, I agree completely. LL could help that along a bit by changing the default usage to push to talk actually. As far as all getting along, well....some public areas are now debating whether to allow voice on the parcels at all. The consensus (so far) is that people don't all get along in text and taking care of problems will be much harder with voice. |
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Cheyenne Marquez
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05-14-2007 16:41
From: SqueezeOne Pow I really don't think you'll get that as much with v-chat. A lot of what makes someone feel like that's okay to say is the anonymity of typing with a fake name over your av. You are kidding, right? I wasn't aware that men really cared whether they typed or voiced their "sweet nothings." They could care less whether they had a virtual name hanging over their heads or not. Anonimity has nothing to do with it. Men have their real faces exposed IRL and they still say these things.  What part of the world do you live in lol. |
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Colette Meiji
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05-14-2007 16:45
From: Cocoanut Koala Friend of mine went to voice on beta and enjoyed it very much. He said he immediately felt much closer to everyone.
The talk in this thread makes me think I won't be able to hear anything on my 4-year-old Dell desktop. Do you suppose that's true?
coco I dont know coco - maybe it will work in quiet areas when you SL isnt bogging your system down? Technical people might know. For me this will be one of those things I can only participate in when I have the house to myself - so not all that often. Im concern over the effects voice will bring more than im worried about voice chatting. I dont think people see the distinction. I am sure small groups of voice chatters will probably be fun for many people. Its the Voice Chatter CULTURE thats the concern area. |
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Atashi Yue
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05-14-2007 16:52
From: Colette Meiji I dont know coco - maybe it will work in quiet areas when you SL isnt bogging your system down?
Technical people might know.
For me this will be one of those things I can only participate in when I have the house to myself - so not all that often.
Im concern over the effects voice will bring more than im worried about voice chatting. I dont think people see the distinction.
I am sure small groups of voice chatters will probably be fun for many people.
Its the Voice Chatter CULTURE thats the concern area. In what way Colette? I'm not sure I understand the difference. |
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Colette Meiji
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05-14-2007 16:57
From: Cheyenne Marquez You are kidding, right? I wasn't aware that men really cared whether they typed or voiced their "sweet nothings." They could care less whether they had a virtual name hanging over their heads or not. Anonimity has nothing to do with it. Men have their real faces exposed IRL and they still say these things. What part of the world do you live in lol. I call them gold toofs I dont think many men know about this phenomena becuase they dont consider it abnormal. Then of course married men may not know becuase their wives wont tell them - so they dont get grumbles when they want to go out on girl's night. To those men who didnt know this goes on - in a lot of social environments - In real life - some men will try to pick up women with rude, abrupt hard sell techniques. In Second Life this of course is worse becuase they can just IM it to you - so theres not even the concern other people will hear them to keep them in check. ----------------------------------- Latest dumb pickup line used on me - "I need to take a shower before work, care to join me?" BLA (hed been talking to me 10 minutes tops) |
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SqueezeOne Pow
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05-14-2007 16:58
From: Colette Meiji
Its the Voice Chatter CULTURE thats the concern area.
What culture? This culture doesn't even EXIST yet!! That's what I take issue with in this whole debate more than if it'll be for you. A lot of people (on the forums) have already written v-chat off without giving it much of a chance. It's almost as though people on here fear change and are automatically against it just because it came from LL (which is ironic considering they are addicted to SL)! All these people are really doing is essentially brainstorming for stereotypes before anyone has a chance to really settle in with this thing!! Quit trying to predict the end of the world to make yourselves feel better and just live!
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SqueezeOne Pow
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05-14-2007 16:59
From: Cheyenne Marquez You are kidding, right? I wasn't aware that men really cared whether they typed or voiced their "sweet nothings." They could care less whether they had a virtual name hanging over their heads or not. Anonimity has nothing to do with it. Men have their real faces exposed IRL and they still say these things. What part of the world do you live in lol. Try paying attention to what I was posting before you comment. I was referring to griefers.
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Colette Meiji
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05-14-2007 17:01
From: SqueezeOne Pow What culture? This culture doesn't even EXIST yet!! That's what I take issue with in this whole debate more than if it'll be for you.
A lot of people (on the forums) have already written v-chat off without giving it much of a chance. It's almost as though people on here fear change and are automatically against it just because it came from LL (which is ironic considering they are addicted to SL)!
All these people are really doing is essentially brainstorming for stereotypes before anyone has a chance to really settle in with this thing!!
Quit trying to predict the end of the world to make yourselves feel better and just live! Of course it does - you think voice chat was invented by Linden Labs? lol Its less a brainstorm and more an extrapolation. You are right we will see what happens. |
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Elinah Iredell
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05-14-2007 17:01
From: Desmond Shang Something for everyone to consider...
One thing I *never* report is some of the metrics I track.
Bluntly stated, I already know what the dedicated RP player's paying turnover rates are, even in today's good conditions. I have to know this stuff to ensure long term viability of my region. No, I'm not sharing the info, that would be unethical.
Yeah, I know it will be a bit different in a voice enabled world. But I've spent many years in voice enabled worlds, text worlds, all of it.
So how good is Desmond's estimation of the future?
Let's look at my track record.
1) charged about 25% more than going rates for 4096m before the 15 Nov 06 pricehike and most everyone thought I was nuts.
2) banned casinos before the gambling purge and when most everyone thought I was nuts.
3) banned sexual ageplay before the sexual ageplay purge when most everyone thought I was nuts.
4) Sitting on 17 sims with a waiting list 3 or 4 sims long. At present, could grow at one sim every 2 weeks if I so chose, but won't due to community quality concerns.
Let's look at my future outlook:
a) Think voice is going to come in and rock the world hard.
b) have 3 months solid tier in reserve in place for the event of 0% occupancy due to unforseen changes.
c) Expects another strong resurgence for SL in 4Q07, with growth still present but nowhere near recent levels by 2Q08, and never as strong as in 4Q06 ever again.
So you decide. How well does Des know what he's talking about?
An open question. Okay I have skype and sometimes got on it while playing the game because my friend kept asking me to and invited others of our friends to also ... how was it ? Well honestly sometimes it was kinda boring, nobody had much to say,occasionally it was fun, but nothing I wanted to have on constantly, you werent sure if you had to talk all the time or if it was okay to be silent and if you talked too much the peaceful feeling of sl was lost or it was distracting, and you felt relieved to get off of it , and this is coming from a very poor typist ( even worse in laggy areas) simply dreadful. I type so badly I create new words. and even I wont use voice all the time. I like peace and quiet too. . My honest opinion... sometimes its nicer to be left in the quiet ... and I think others will feel that way too.Sometimes it wil be fun but other times I dont think so . It wont take it by storm it will be just another tool. One important point some people have their favorite songs turned on their computer while playing the game and voice wil be hard to hear for them . They probably wont want to use it too much for that reason sl for them is like a music video. Elinah |
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Strife Onizuka
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05-14-2007 17:29
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