Disappearing threads: WTF?

me thinks they pushed the wrong buttons.

use the blog

it`s viewable for the public, used in RSS feeds and linking LL to land scams and protecting them will cause a stirr and some grunted lindens hiding under their desks

Yeah, I'm just saying that's the message they send without meaning to...

Some Lindens do read RA though. Phil's thread about his drop in search listings led to a blog entry: http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/03/07/search-ranking-update/

LL have to be careful of what they leave up here, there are circumstances where they would have to delete a thread. However an explanation in a sticky would be helpful.

I've kind of noticed when Lindens first arrive they may even comment on a couple of threads.

After a while this no longer happens.

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So my theory is someone just hired comes to LL all full of idealism and hope, psyched up about their new job.

After a couple months or so, they realize its just another job, and they aren't going to change the world, and they become jaded and cynical.

Basically like a lot of people starting a new job.

Actually this is the first Thread I ever remember being deleted in 3 years. They didn't even delete Prok's stuff.

They along with all the scammers have pushed the wrong buttons it seems

Well they just deleted Prok instead here and the blog. Was he really that bad? I've met him a few times and although he does ruffle feathers, is that ban worthy?

didn't he also contact LL directly for help?

what i said earlier and the other thread

that threads get deleted, personally suspect the estate scammer is either involved with lindens or it`s a linden user account

all other naming names/scam threads that boiled just got locked, with or without a message but this one just deleted

think as said, LL are leaving a clear message for residents with this blunder...

we must be hitting a nerve or something ....ouch! Are we getting hotter?

Ohh they targeted Prok for a while - there were even transcripts of them saying how they'd like to remove her but their hands were tied.

That was back in the days when the Lindens felt bound by their own rules.

They've evolved past that.

You better believe this forum is read by staff.

There is no doubt in my mind. Remember, a lot of staff were residents first!

The question is more on the order of: is the right staff reading the right stuff, in terms of who can do anything.

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One of the smart things that most companies do is ensure that they don't have fifty random employees talking at once. It is a contradiction-fest every single time.

And we really don't want to hear a coder's take on law or the counsel's take on how to fix your inventory glitch.

I don't even want to hear a forum moderator's take on the land scam thing. The issue is bigger than that. A lot bigger.

I'm thinking the inworld office hours really are the way to go. It's not the 24/7 immediacy of forum repartee', but one *can* talk to executives at the very highest levels, and discuss things. Really. There is also email - it works, and I think it's time we start using it.

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The land scam issue is serious - and probably more serious to me, dollar for dollar as a legitimate operator, than even those scammed.

Due to scammer actions, I wonder if I will be hit with ridiculously restrictive constraints someday. Land barons do need some modicum of control; lest every resident on your land can abuse you and all the other residents at whim.

Shall I and all my good residents become a griefer's punching bag for 90 days or whatever, because I accepted 20 bucks worth of $L for some land? Should I be forced to refund someone 100 USD when they have plainly cost me several hundred dollars in time and business? That's the concern.

Literally hundreds of residents and well over 100,000 USD worth of annual business depend on me being able to do a good job, remain financially stable and not have my hands tied, as little as I use them.

And if I'm worried about it (as one of the most liberal, laid back land barons on the grid - ask anybody) I wonder what happens on your typical estate where people expect rules to be followed to the letter, and immediately. I've never tossed anyone, ever, for anything but nonpayment - two years of flawless record - and yet even I need the option to remove a resident in extreme cases, or it's a free-for-all.

So yes, it's a dark day when scammers cannot be exposed - deleting the threads in question sure isn't going to help. This problem is huge.

I'm thinking a large number of us need to show up at relevant office hours about this, and discuss the land scam thing. Soon.

We can make a difference.

In my personal experience, I've seen movement on a lot of fronts recently: ad farms, intelligent moves with regard to Havok 4 deployment, the new island transfer process, and most importantly keeping pricing rates flat and stable.

Let's keep the momentum going, and have something intelligent done about the land scammers.

As long as it is in theme!

I asked my Mum, she said "I haven't got a clue who the feck Desmond Shang is"

Desmond, the last part of your posting does reveal that LL is trying to do right by it's clients. i feel good about that fact.

i 100% agree with your post, in full.

My personal opinion (which isn't always worth a lot) is that they removed the threads because lawsuits were mentioned. OMG they're gonna make a class action lawsuit and LL will be brought in so *oops* we better delete the evidence!

or maybe....

If we don't see it, it doesn't really exist. Right? LL shut your eyes! Zone out like an iguana on a hot rock and this will all go away.

I think most of you are assuming the worst about the Lindens in this matter.

It is possible that removing the threads where names were named was a way for the Lindens to show that they are doing everything possible to remain fair, before they lower the boom on this huge problem. Every one of you complaining knows full well that naming of names if prohibited, because it is so prone to abuse. Yes, we all know that P.S. deserves this, but the rules have to be equal for everyone. We can't sentence people in this forum kangaroo court.

RL example: You know the problem guy at work? The one everyone wants to get rid of? What does the boss do? He/she documents everything, walks on eggshells, treats him fairly, does everything strictly by the book for weeks before he/she fires him. It's the same thing here, in my opinion.

Bollocks

You show you care. That helps and I hope that it helps to know that I want to support you and all the others like you.
An arbitration system where owner and resident can get things settled... who knows

as this person is doing it for a very long time, i doubt it...

names can be edited out... posts revised... threads locked... deletion is a whole 'nother thing.

Back in the day, certain threads used to be pulled off the forums and sent to something called "Linden Review" which was a special forum that we couldn't access. Sometimes you would be able to use your post history to navigate back to the thread, sometimes not.

I would guess that threads have not been deleted, just "disappeared" for Linden Review. Frankly, this is entirely inappropriate moderation. Good moderation would involve the moderator formally introducing themselves, making the rules by which they are going to moderate clear to all forum participants, issuing warnings when threads are going over the line and then following through consistently.

I've been known the delete threads on my forum, but not before warnings have been issued and I've made it clear that continued disrespect for the rules will result in posts/thread deletion. Punishment under cover of anonymity is really not the way to manage people.

I cant even go back to that thread and see if names were named.

The portion I had read didn't have the names though.

Unless your into spanking

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