No transfer clothing on the rise?

You may resell wares purchased in bulk with a profit, if you can uphold your part of the work, i.e. the end customer service. This is technically impossible in SL. The creator will get all service-related IMs, since his "phone number" is listed in the item properties. The name and IM-link of the reseller doesn't show up anywhere.

The creator receives IMs like "I lost it due to an inventory bug" and appears in a bad light when he can't give out a replacement, since he doesn't have any records of the purchase. It's also bad for the designer's reputation if only parts of his sets are resold at ridiculously high prices (like prim shoes resold without the textured shoe base, since a greedy reseller plans to sell the usually included item bundled with other parts). The creator is bugged with all the complaints and issues that only occur due to the reseller's practice of unbundling and/or overprizing.

As soon as LL implements functions that allow bulk reselling, like listing the seller's name and profile link in the item properties, I will look for resellers myself, set up some conditions (like maximum sales price, item bundling, advertising texts etc.) and in turn discuss a nice wholesaler rebate and provide the vendor textures. But with the current system anything that goes beyond a few copies in a yard sale (where it's clear for the customer that he purchases second hand ware with expired warranty) can't be tolerated, sorry. I don't want to deal with upset customers who got ripped off by some goon who sold them only an overprized fraction of a set, like reselling copies of OEM software.

It's common practice in RL as well. Well-known designers are careful with the decision of whom they allow to distribute their products, and to which conditions. As soon as too many end customer complaints arise, the responsible wholesaler simply won't be re-supplied. It's not only about the money (the wholesaler pays you, so don't complain); the end customer's satisfaction is most important, since a ripped-off customer won't purchase wares of the same designer again. Of course, the end customer is still allowed to resell, as long as it's clearly a second hand sale (yard sale, eBay etc.).

If that's what happened it would have been my own fault . I just looked around, found 5 things I wanted which were advertised as C/NT, but that I wanted to buy as NC/T so I went ahead and asked.

Everything came as no mod, so customizing wasn't ever an option and almost never is when it comes as an outfit vs a single item of clothing.
If a prim skirt just doesn't fit on an NC/T outfit, I can give it to someone with a different shape and no worries, if it doesn't fit on a C/NT outfit the only option left is to trash it, which is a very sour experience and practically guarantees it's the last time I'll buy anything there.

But you wouldn't give it to a friend when I no longer want it, or never wanted it because the sign was photoshopped to hide flaws, or give it to an alt which are the things I care about. I personally don't need 30 copies of the exact same no-mod dress, it just makes no sense to me.
And I still don't see what reselling is going to occur when everyone has to come to you to ask for a NC/T copy. If you do it once, find they're reselling, simply ignore them the next time they ask .

Excellent post and points Ishtara.

Most designers on a NT outfit with prims will give you a M/NT version of the prim parts if asked. I had a very cute dress bottom that wouldn't fit my ass even in my skirt shape. She was nice and handed me a mod copy of the skirt but still NT. If you want a piece to fit, then it's totally different for asking for a transfer version.

As for the reselling... you cannot without a laggy scripted vendor, pick and choose whom you sell to. Most large sellers are using the LL tools because of the lag and ease. If you find they are reselling, really, if it's transfer, they could keep buying from alts and passing to to thier main and reselling anyways.

Anything prim and mod is easily copyable, so that really doesn't make any sense with what I wanted to know in the first place. The thread wasn't about NC/T vs C/NT. It's about getting told that asking for a NM/NC/T copy leads to "rampant theft". Other than habitual reselling (which is just not particularly honest, but not quite at the level of theft, nor is it particularly "rampant" noone has said anything to back that up so I'll just take what I got told as "here's a fake excuse, go elsewhere" instead of saying she simply didn't want to.

I said it's part of the reason why I want transfer.

If it had been transfer, and I had a feeling the prim wouldn't fit, I'd have IM'ed them before buying saying I was worried the prim wouldn't fit and if I found it didn't fit, whether I could just return it for a refund then. In nearly all cases, since I contact before I buy, I just get an "that's fine". It did happen twice that it was an awful fit, I returned, they refunded, I kept shopping.

No having to try and get a mod copy, no wasted time trying to adjust a prim skirt that I won't ever able to force into looking halfway decent and the designer ends up spending far less time with me than they would have trying to help with adjusting the skirt. Sorry, but the transfer customer experience is far better than the no-transfer experience.

As an aside, I'll only ask for a refund if I think it's flawed, if I end up just not liking it that noone's fault but my own, and it's those cases where I end up asking friends if it's something they might get any enjoyment out of and then give it away. I'm still out the money, but making a friend happy is far better than throwing it in the trash.

If someone has to pull up your profile and IM asking if you would please consider selling so and so as NC/T instead of the C/NT that you have up in your store, then you definitely have total control over who gets a transfer copy and who doesn't.
You can check their previous purchases to know if they're dropping by for the first time or a regular customer just as easily as you'd check previous purchases for a C/NT copy the customer claims to have "lost'.

I find the prim items that are no copy, no mod, no trans even better. Those tick me off the worse. Specially since some become that way after rezzing. They have no copy on say the prim and no trans on the script inside. Sadly those are on the rise as well. Clothing I can live with no trans as I usually keep what I buy BUT sometimes it is nice (like bare rose stuff. I'm a black and red girl mostly, my partner is into blue and black, and my pets seem to have a thing for pink...lots of pink *shivers*) So I just hand out what I don't plan to ever use at times. Though often then not it's merely to see it on and then buy them full copies as well.

Not so. I can't copy some of the skirts I wear, I don't have that know how. The thread has to touch on issues of perms because your original post has to do with perms. You can't say that you don't want to debate or talk about permissions when it's a large part of the problem in the first place.



Umm... yes and it's part of an explanation given to half your reason.... *scratches head*



K, so you never ever ever want to adjust anything in SL? Every single av has more than 9 billion possibilities on shape size. And for you saying you think it's easier for NT, there's 10 more than say they've had tons of better experiences with C/NT.



So you're honest. That's one. That doesn't mean everyone else shares your views or wants. Frankly, most often times that I've seen designers with NT, it's because they've been through some sort of experience where someone has taken thier items and done something with them. The rest, it's because it's a larger preference by far.



And in the case of C/NT people can make as many copies as they want, so they don't have to keep replacing them, or if they do, know that when they do replace them, they can't give them away or resell them. I've personally seen a friend of mine's business, where someone would buy a Trans item, claim something happened, request a new one, and have both out for sale. Of course this person was banned from the land. This same person made an alt, bought the outfit, claimed something went wrong, and my friend, being a nice person and trusting, gave them yet another copy only to see both copies again for sale in the original person's yard sale store. Now, she has no transfer on her items.

Yes, you can check if they were dropping by for the first time or a regular customer, just as easily for a trans copy. But at least you know if something went wrong as claimed, this person can have 50 copies of the same outfit, but knows it goes and stays with the original buyer as opposed to checking if the transfer copy was legit and giving out another for free.

I don't mind debating permissions, it's just not a very productive discussion because everyone's set in our way on why we prefer one over the other .

If you want to have the same dress 30 times with 30 different hair styles and shoes and accessories, I can understand why it could matter to you but that doesn't mean it has any particular value to me. You can have what you want with C/NT and I can have what I want with NC/T.

There isn't that much difference between how I organize my inventory and how I organize my clothes in real life. I don't pin the earrings I think go best with everything to the clothing, nor am I going to try to figure out how I can balance shoes on a coathanger to go with the outfit they fit best with, that doesn't make any sense to me ("To me" being the key words here).

The original post has to do with permissions only in so far that I was told that I couldn't get a transfer copy because of "rampant theft". If that's truly a real valid reason, I'll stick my paw in my mouth and deal with it . If it was simply an excuse, I do take offense since a simple "sorry, but I don't do that anymore" is an honest and more than fair answer but that's my problem and not someone else's, I simply want(ed) to know if the reason given was honest or not.

Adjusting (simply moving it around a little) and fitting (resizing and moving it around) are very different things. Simply giving it away to someone else or asking for a refund might seem like a meh-don't-want-to-bother approach, but I know I can't fit it to look decent on my own so that leaves either getting it transfer, trashing it, or annoying the designer to give a mod copy and assuming they do, annoy them some more when I make a few attempts fail and need help. The first gives me at least some value for the money I spent, the second is a total waste and the third just isn't an acceptable option unless the skirt happens to come with a "will custom fit for you" 'guarantee'.

Once again that comes down to a matter of preference, you have your way, I have mine .

Not really sure what asking to buy something as transfer has to do with replacing lost copies. If the asset server decides to eat something I liked (which hasn't happened where I didn't later get it back), regardless of permissions on it, you go and buy it again. I'd probably vent at LL a little for loosing it in the first place, but it's not the seller's fault. The only reason to go bother the designer would be if that item is no longer for sale.

Hey Seola,

First of all, you're responding to what I wrote, yet, I don't understand what it is you're saying as it has nothing to do with what I've said. Not that I care because I don't, just wanted to let you know. If you're going to respond then respond to what was said and not with responses that have nothing to do with what was said.

For instance:
I wrote that people with large inventories might use yard sales as a way to lighten their loads. You answered by saying "go to a yard sale, (there are quite a few) then get back to me." Say what? What kind of answer is this to what I wrote? You did the same thing all along the line to everything I said. It doesn't make any sense. Are you writing just for the sake of trolling up your forum count? I also see you doing the same thing with others.

It's obvious you have a whole lot of time on your hands because you seem to be just about in every topic and conversation in these forums. Usually not with one answer or two but many times over. And that's ok too but you seem to disagree with just about everyone you respond to. I mean it's ok to disagree and state your point of view but with everyone?

What makes you think this is an alt? You wouldn't know me nor do you know anyone else in these forums unless you're friends or you actually know them or about them. So this is another useless thing you're talking about which has nothing to do with anything.