My simple solution against land bots crookerie

Who do you think you are really? Did I ask you anything?

I was going to put you on my ignore list, and I should have done it before.
No-one is forcing you to reply to my posts, but it seems that you seek my attention.

Same reply to you, like Chris.

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Gina,

This is a semi free forum. Unless you are a mod or an employee of LL, you have no place telling people they cannot post in any thread here.

You come on spout insults and accuse people of being criminals. But most of us wouldn't call for you to be censored. Please show the same regard to us.

Act and speak like a real man? Where I come from a real man doesn't want or need a nanny. A real man takes responsibility for his actions.

Move on? You have whined in numerous threads for two days.

Should I tell you about the wallet you just dropped? Or should I just pick it up and make it mine? I would rather live in a world where everyone's response and mine is that I tell you about your dropped wallet.

Quite simply, we are all human, even the bot owners. We make mistakes. Respect for each other requires of us that when we detect a mistake that is to our advantage, we allow the mistaken person to correct the error. Everything from cash register errors, dropped wallets, billing errors, and real estate transaction errors. If you give me a ten dollar bill in change, when it should be a one dollar bill, my sense of honor, my sense of belonging to a society wherein people are trying to be fair to each other, my empathy for you, all bid me to make you aware of the error and allow you to correct it. If I don't detect the error and you do, the same things bid me to help you correct it. In real life real estate transactions, elaborate precautions are made to insure the correctness and accuracy of the deal and still things go wrong. Just because the amount of real money involved in a virtual real estate transaction is much smaller than real life does not disencumber it from the social contract of trying to achieve fairness.

It's not about taking responsibility.

People aren't perfect, people make mistakes. Some of those mistakes are fixable, some aren't, some are only fixable when others cooperate.

There's nothing at all unreasonable about a system that helps correct mistakes that occur from difficulties using a computer system. Otherwise we may as well start criticizing people for using the recyle bin on their computers.

I do think there needs to be a safeguard of another check before land is placed on sale. But even so, she should have checked her boxes before she hit that final button. Just because it is a bot that did this makes no difference. If she had marked at 7000 and sold it 3 days later to a real person, she would have still been on here whining about crooks and how unfair life is. Well life is unfair. We have enough bureaucracy in RL we don't need it in SL.

1. Land sales take an hour before reaching the database where searches are run off

2. You cannot sell anything for less than 5 L$ per square meter to "everyone" unless you alter something in "edit - preferences" where you change that threshhold.

I would agree to those.

Ok, maybe be it's a miss-understanding, and I have troubles explaining myself.

There are 3 or 4 threads at the moment, concerning the abuse of land bots users, I am a victim and there are loads of victims out there, and what happen is NOT right, once again, not even having the time to set your autoreturn to 1 because it got swooped by what I call a crook, and that' s the word I am using in that case; it is OUT of ORDER, they will not return the land to you and will ignore your IM.

If we are "arguing" on "the best solution", it's ok, no problem, it's fine, me too I am only suggesting. But if we are arguing on: "who/what crook is/does, we will argue for a while, because we need to have some morals as "human being".

Maybe I have difficulties explaining my self, so I will try to give an extreme example.

What happened on September the 11th was a real disaster and I cannot find the words to describe how I feel about the people who did this and the people who were involved.

So, in that respect, I could not say any thing good about these people and what they did. On the other hand, surely, there are some people out there who do support such criminal acts.

That's my analogy, when it's wrong, it's wrong, there are no excuses.

Likewise, same for people abusing land bots tools in SL, the ones that have no mercy, I have no respect for them. Period.

So we should keep the focus.

In the US, federal law provides a three day window for revoking home mortgages, hardly a high pressure item. Standard practice requires mortgagors to sign a provision allowing the mortgagee to fix clerical errors in the paperwork, so in a sense, it works both ways.

I don't see anything unreasonable with a three day waiting period. It can take longer than that just to buy a new island from Linden Labs.

I also don't see anything wrong in giving both buyers and sellers the ability to cancel a sale. The asymmetry in the RL mortgage situation comes because of the imbalance between the parties' bargaining position and roles (lay versus professional), but I don't think that has to be carried over to SL. It's ok for either one to have the right to cancel the sale.

Abuse of this process can be discouraged with some reasonable tactics. For example, a buyer who cancels a purchase could lose a 10% deposit. I'm not sure that abuse by sellers is a huge problem, but there's probably a way to address that as well.

But skipping past all these ideas, why not just create an automated auction system for sellers? It would solve the current bot problem (though I'm sure a new approach might be invented), and it would give less experienced buyers and sellers a better chance of getting a fair price.

So, you trust me to make that judgment call?

20/20

Are you playing with me or are you serious?

If you are playing with me I do not have time for you or anyone-else out there who like playing mind games.

If you are serious and/or ignorant, without being condescending;

Please read the thread again, or do a search: Land bot.

I am making a point.

"Period" usually it means something like "That's not up for discussion. I don't plan to listen to other opinions or to consider points that I might have overlooked. I've made up my mind and I can't be reasoned with. My will be done."
Only works in totalitarian societies.



No one can "swoop" your land in SL. I assume you put up your land for sale, someone bought it for the price that you set, and now you call the buyer a crook. That comes close to slander.



No one wants to shut you up. You can say whatever you want. So can other participants in a forum discussion. They might even post something contrary to your opinion.



Land doesn't slip out of your bag by accident. You put it up for sale. Someone comes along and pays you whatever you demanded for the land.

I don't sell land but content. Some days ago I realized that I was selling a ware for L$10, the default setting of a Linden vendor. I checked the transaction history and saw that 7 people had already bought this product, which was supposed to sell for L$600.
The people who bought it might have known that it was accidently underprized, but I don't blame them. Crookery on their part? No. Stupid and easily avoidable mistake on my part? Yes.

Now, a loss of L$4130 are peanuts. But when I still lived on the mainland, I wanted to split off and abandon a tiny parcel of land, in order to lower my tier (I paid for a full sim at that time but owned little more than half of it). Somehow I got confused and abandoned the wrong parcel. I gave 4096 sqm of land to Governor Linden, as a gift.
Did Gov. Linden give it back to me? Of course not. I had to buy it back in an auction, thereby paying twice for the plot. Crookery on LL's part? No. Stupid and easily avoidable mistake on my part? Yes.

One question, would your auction system allow the setting of a reserve price?

Ehm... the recycle bin example works both ways. People delete something, empty their recycle bin and realize the loss of an important document. What you suggest equals a phone call to Microsoft, asking them to restore the document somehow. There are technical means to do so, but it isn't part of their customer service. Once you emptied your recycle bin, you can't blame the system or the company behind it for your bad decision.

Sorry to hear this happened. What was the mistake that allowed the bot to snatch the land? It would be great if others could learn what NOT to do, since there is no real recourse right now when things like this happen, unless the bot runner is one of the ones who has the policy that they give back mistakes when they are IMed.

Look at your post, you keep having a go at what I said, answering every section with something against what I said. Does it make you feel good? Do you think you are smart?

Well, with me it's easy, I do not like your style and you are on my ignore list.

Next time you can have a go at someone who will accept your post, it won't be me.

Gina, for someone who bristles at being made to shut up, you have an awfully low tolerance for opinions that differ from yours. Not everyone who disagrees with you is attacking you personally.

Feel free to ignore me, if that's how you deal with someone who doesn't share your one-sided point of view. The opening post made it pretty clear already that you were going to ignore everything people might have to say. That's what I criticized in the first pace, aside from you insulting and defaming people as crooks for buying something that you deliberately sold to them, and aside from you trying to enforce your rules on everyone who is fine with the current system.

It doesn't make me feel good if someone makes mistakes, and I don't think I'd be smart since, as I wrote, make pretty much the same mistakes and live with the consequences. Obviously you didn't read that part and only saw "someone dares to have a different opinion".