My simple solution against land bots crookerie

This should be the rules:

When a parcel has been snatched by land bot users, if the sellers come back
to them and say: Sorry, there is a problem, the price you paid is wrong, wether it was a software issue or typo error. The land should be return immediately. Period.

This is NOT happening, the people who swooped our parcel are CROOKS and they are NOT GOOD people, this is how they make money, their name is all other the place.

YOU are NOT going to make me SHUT UP on this one.

- CROOKS GO TO HELL.

If you loose a wallet on the tube because it slipped out of your bag, 99% of the people who say: "here lady/sir, you dropped your wallet..."

You know what the 1% would do? Right.

Sorry it sounds unworkable to me. How long would you leave this option to reverse the transaction open ? 1 minute?, 1 hour?, 1 day ?, 1 year ?

How would you differentiate between transactions involving 2 regular avatars and those that involved a bot ?

To me it violates a clear tennet of a contract. When you agree a sale with another party, you can't decide sometime later that you didn't like the deal and reverse the transaction. Of course there are exceptions (store return policies etc), but in general to allow one party to nullify the transaction at some indeterminate future date sounds like it would have a really chilling effect on regular (non bot) SL land transactions.

That's why I was thinking of a 24 hour "Seller's Remorse" window. 24 hours allows every time zone to be covered. When the 24 hours are up, if the sale is not reversed, it becomes final. The option should also be allowed to be toggled off for people in a hurry, but defaulted for people who are just figuring it out.

Would you also allow this to work the other way round, a buyer comes back and says "Sorry, I didn't mean to spend that much, give me my money back"?

I'm in favour of this but you'd also have to allow for buyer's remorse for it to be fair.

1) Who is going to enforce this new rule? LL has made it pretty clear in the past that Residents need to resolve their own personal disputes.

2)Why should the purchaser be responsible for the seller's error, typo or otherwise?

3) What if, instead of making an honest error, someone develops seller's remorse and decides they want their land back, either to keep or set at a higher price? What's to stop them from using your rule to get it back, basically bilking the purchaser for no valid reason?

4) You seem to imply that only bad people and crooks want to make money in SL...what's wrong with money?

5) I SINCERELY doubt that 99% of people would return that wallet.

6) No one is trying to shut you up, it's just a familiar issue and naming names in personal dispute is not allowed for ANYONE on these forums.

Oh no...I don't like bots but you're giving undue power to the seller here. Letting them take back the land at any time for any reason during the first 24 hours? I like the idea of a final confirmation screen and a SHORT wait before listing, but a 24 hour reversal is too much.

Agreed

You know, I think I see the issue of why LL hasn't tried to resolve it.. and it's that dreaded, "The community won't like it!" But if we come up with the solution that we can work with and present it as a decent sized, well behaved group.. they might be inclined to take the measure. Need a spokesperson, though.

24 hours isn't so long, but I think it's good to actually discuss alternatives to the current system and get all the concerns out the way now. No system will be perfect, I like the 24 hour option because I work full time, maybe if it auto accepts within a certain time period that would help? I just think a system like the one suggested will make buying bots pretty much redundant and for that we're going to have to make some compromises.

Cooling off periods are not unheard of in RL, and putting it in SL wouldn't be that hard - it could be this simple:

Seller lists land.
Buying buys land.
The money and land both go into escrow.
24 hrs (or 12 or 6 or 10 mins) later seller gets the money, and the buyer gets the land.
Before that 24 hrs are up, either party can cancel the transaction.

True, but RL cooling off periods are generally mandated for products/services sold using high pressure sales techniques. Even then the cooling off period is for the buyer not the seller.

Personally I'm more in favour of the delay in listing land for sale (as discussed on another thread). 5-15 minutes should be enough to prevent those insta errors..

I said BOT. NOT regular SL transaction.

And how can you tell the difference?

The problem with CROOK BOTS is much bigger and unfair that the one you present.

Don't you think? Please do a search on the forum or internet; Land bot.

As a side note, I was a victim of an other priced parcel when I was a newbie, I paid 30K for a 512, I was naive and ignorant, and didn't know that real value of Linden money.
I didn't expect a refund, although, obviously I gave my money to a crook. My loss, thanks, don't need any further comment on that.

So, I can say that I have been in both shoes. Have you?

On the other hand your option is not a good one, because because would take advantage and would keep coming back for a refund because they will keep looking for cheaper land.

Unless, it's an extreme case, like paying 30K for a 512 that was just purchased as a first land by a crook.

Can you make the difference?

When it will happen to you will know.

Gina, here is an idea. How about taking responsibility for your own actions and quit wanting a nanny to come along behind you and clean up your mistakes?

I like this, but I would allow the duration of the cooling off period to be defined by the seller (from none up to 24hrs which would be the default). Reason? Griefing. Someone puts their land up for sale with a 24hr cool-off. Griefer group comes along and doesn't like the seller. One of them buys the land but cancels it after 23 1/2 hours. Then (s)he'll keep buying/cancelling the land over and over again if possible. Or, (s)he'll get an alt, friend, or friend's alt to do the same. A large group could block the sale for quite some time.

Then, LL might have to implement some version of a no-buy-after-cancel rule. Depending on how they do that (only the last buyer, last 5, 10, 20, infinite list?) issues will be raised. Plus, you might want a don't-sell-to-list.

I think the land purchasing process needs a complete overhaul but I don't see LL doing that any time soon when there's "cool" things like a pretty sky and voice to add to the client (not that I'm necessarily agains the sky or voice).

My point is that if you want extra rights for sellers, it's only fair (in my opinion) to give extra rights to buyers, sellers could also take advantage of a change in the system. You know, put the land up for sale, see a bot immediately buy the land and think "I've sold that too cheaply if a bot bought it, I'll take it back and increase the price".

I wasn't talking about the average Joe. If you agree with what Land Bot crook users do, then please say it clear and loud. In case you have missed the previous related threads, and one was locked - I invite to do so.

Please don't get me started, I am talking about specific ways of making money. Don't twist the words - it's not wise.

Depends where you live. I have seen it from my eyes and it happened to me too, purses or wallets being returned.


I don't care, a wicked soul is a wicked soul and they usually have names or give themselves one.

This thread is taking the wrong direction.

Are you a land bot user?

Have you had a problem before, because your land was swooped in 1 second sharp by bot, not having the time to set up the properties, auto-return...? You see two person on your land, running away, you sent IM they don't answer?

For Gods sake, can't you see the serious abuse here?

Somebody slap me... I find myself agreeing with Chris for a second time.

Gina, you are being overly rude and aggressive. Everytime someone disagrees with you, you classify the individual as a crook and promise a mute.

I am a very patient person, but you are becoming annoying.

No I'm not a land bot user, I'm trying to suggest a solution that suits both buyer and seller, it would be a lot easier to progress this if you'd stop inferring that everyone who doesn't support your suggestions outright is a crook.

How about you act and speak like a real man, and say something useful?

With people like you we can't move on!

You are now on my ignore list. I do not want any confrontation with mediocre mind.

I don't. What I'm saying is that the logistics of your 'simple solution' are not so simple.



Anyone with an interest in the land market who stumbles across an underpriced parcel is apt to buy it with the intention of making a profit...bots are faster, that's all.



Me too, I just don't believe that 99% is accurate.



I don't know if you've experienced other backlash regarding this, I was just saying that your thread was closed because it broke the rules of the forum. No persecution, no favoritism, just standard operating procedures.