Are we really.................

Exactly. But my question (or comment) is still the same.

What prompted this thread in the first place was someone reliatively new wanting to know how to share textures with others so they could jointly build a project or something. The person asking the question had made the textures and uploaded them but was wondering how to let others have rights to use, modify, and whatever else. The answer to the question was so simple and quick to answer I wondered why another poster would go the trouble of looking up the subject in the knowledge base and come back and post that link as an answer. Had the question involved a long detailed explanation I would have done the same thing..............after a brief discription of what is involved to tell the asking person that it will require some "learning". But to set permissions on uploaded textures? A really simple question with a reallly simple answer.............and believe me it is not adequately discribed in the knowledge base either. Most likely because it's such simple answer.

I'm not anyone's teacher.......I'm not qualified to be that. But I can answer questions that I know about..........and since we are all supposed to be the friendly, helpful community I think we should take the second if we know and have to second to devote. And if we don't know then keep quiet or tell the asker we don't know. Mention the knowledge base if it is appropriate. Just not to automatically send them there (or any other place, in fact).

I didn't know how to set permissions to my textures for quite a while myself.............some friend told me. Everyone's take is different and most are not incorrect....but we can be friendier. Even if it does get tiresome at times.

Okay okay.. I ammend my previous post:


"Heh, anyone that referrs someone to the Ivory Tower in error was probably either asked a misleading question or is unable to answer the question... or doesn't want to provide an answer for some reason."

There are some particle tricks that I don't reveal. Few, true, but some are not for sale or disclosure. I'm sure everyone in every creative area of SecondLife has limits on what they will or won't answer.

There's at least one LSL function name that's so long the forum search rejects it

Nobody is *ever* going to look up anything on that!

We are only human. I think people here do a good job of being welcoming and answering questions. Each individual has times of being away, less responsive, affected negatively by situations, or what have you, and perhaps when that happens to several people at once there's a temporary bald spot in the forums.

hehe i have seen stuff that believe it or not due to the way SL has grown is not covered. They open a chat window in a group that is meant for asking questions and 20 cranky people jump down the persons throat and then snap their windows shut. It makes no sense that .....


Not everything can be learned from reading and not everyone learns the same way. If you have done any teaching in real world you will know that some learn better by step by step lessons in a group or possibly an individual and others never go to any classes just want a bunch of books piled in front of them and to absorb it for themselves. I'm in the second group I rarely if ever ask a question unless I am totally lost. When I see what happens to people who don't think and reason in the same manner as those who are able to learn things with little to no help try to pose a question in SL I see them treated like idiots. I only ever got stuck once. It was when I was new and it was because what I was doing was so foreign to me I had no idea where to start. No amount of reading or whatever helped not even those basic classes helped. There was a reason for this as not everything is intuitive to every person or comes naturally. This does not mean they can't learn it means they have to learn how to think in a certain way. It took me one person who all be it actually lost patience with me in the end and said she could not help to fix that. It took her maybe 15 minutes of a one on one thing. The person decided I lacked all ability in that area and could not teach herself either and told me to go pay people for services as I would never learn. I told her she unlocked the mystery and it all made sense and she helped more then she thought. What I didnt like was the way I was basically told I would never learn .

Today I can pretty much do anything I dont always do it myself but that's because well time is a factor but I can pretty much do anything. I was lucky all I needed was to sit down for 15 minutes to unlock the missing piece after that i just devoured stuff and that was that. Not everyone learns in the same manner though and so when peopel ask questions I tend to answer them unless of course they obviously know nothing and have not looked at any of the forums or the wiki etc. Then I tell them to go there first and come back after. This is the only case though and usually those people admit they are impatient and dont want to go through the material hehe. In all other cases I see no reason to at least try to explain it to people if you have time hehe

with the way SL is layed out often I think it caters to only one type of learner unfortunately only 50% of the population is not less learn this way. Self taught just from books is not the way the majority learns for many reasons. I think many have to loosen up and remember that we arent' all cut from the same cloth...

You are right. there are some who are definitely wrapped too tight for SL. probably wrapped too tight for RL as well.

I know im not helpful OR freindly - Im mean to everyone who posts here.

Trying to be meaner though - Someday Ill work my way up to evil.

BTW Brenda if you take your post the wrong way sounds like a BDSM thing

=pPPpppPPp

The internet is an amazing knowledge base, and the only thing more amazing is that most people who have access to it do not know how to use it.

I think you do a big favor to someone by telling them how to find the information for themselves. They will learn much more than the short answer to their immediate question.

If telling someone where to find the answer doesn't help that person, the person can always follow-up with a post saying they still couldn't find the answer, prompting more detailed help.

When I post on a forum for help, I usually specify what sources I used first to try to find the answer, so I don't get referred back to those same sources.

This medium doesn't lend itself well to people who are not inclined to read.

Voice chat will fix that...

hehe yeah opening Second Life to even dumber people.

PROGRESS!

Well, um, the original post was about friendliness and helpfulness, and withholding information that way is not friendly or helpful! It may be justified in business terms, and may not be something that the other person is entitled too, but it isn't a friendly, helpful action.

The incredible lack of any sort of design education in SL is something that's stuck me for a long while now..

hehe no offense but some people learn better by hearing and some learn better by reading. So now at least the didactic learners will have a fair chance...

I have yet to meet a truly intelligent , poorly literate person.


But thats okay we need all types in SL.

I learn 90% by experimenting and about 9% by finding text clues to solving puzzles (although I read everything), and 1% by asking. I try to answer people's questions, but that's not my function in life. If someone else requires another person to answer questions that's fine, however, the askee isn't somehow obligated to provide information to the asker.

I resent the pronouncement that "many" need to "loosen up." If someone's learning style depends upon human interaction they will have to learn to roll with the punches, as the people they are asking are just as entitled to have their own peculiarities.

I taught continuing ed classes in 3d animation for about ten years. You've left out one type of person... the lazy thinker. There are people who will ask you to show them how to do something not because they actually want to absorb the information but because they want you to do it for them. If you cave to them then you actually teach them nothing. They won't retain it, and your willingness to do it for them reinforces their belief that they don't have to. They'll just ask you again next time. With that kind of person the best thing you can do for them is not show them, but ask them enough leading questions that it forces them to connect the dots themselves. Then they'll usually remember. Having answered about a bazillion questions on the forums and in world I often encounter that same type of person. They don't ask because they don't know where they could find the answer themselves. They ask because it's the path of least resistance. Sometimes, when I'm just not in the mood, I resist.

Try going the advanced search page at /invalid_link.html and searching for a quoted phrase. I think it even lets you search for three letter words that are part of a quoted phrase, if the phrase includes a term that has more than three letters.

Example: search for "land bot" at /invalid_link.html
then try searching for "red dot" , then try "blue dot"

"red dot" produces a "too short" message, "blue dot" works.

hehe covered those in a few posts up those i just point to forums they are easy to umm root out hehe they seem to whine a lot when you start to explain about forums which they can't bother to open the page to and say it takes to much time to read them etc. If they keep complaining about time and impatience I know its a lazy thinker hehe get lots of those at times other time not.

that's fine you haven't seen what I have seen in some chat channels I guess then when a guy asks a perfectly valid question and has to apologize for asking in the channel as a way to smooth a path.

Trust me been there it sucks. I have asked like 2 questions tops in second life and the second one I got driven to not ask anymore. Only time I chime in now is when I am having an issue with something that is already posted, but most of the time I keep my mouth shut lest i get my head bitten off.

People do get cranky they dont like "how" they are asked or whatever so you can resent it all you like I have dealt with a couple of people who did have their heads bitten off for asking valid questions. They simply needed a push in the right direction they thanked me profusely and went on their merry way and have not needed to ask many other questions. It does happen and when I see it i cringe. So if your resenting it i can only assume your a window snapper and one who bites heads off before snapping it shut.

If you dont like the questions its sometimes better to do nothing not say a word to the person and let someone who willing to field the question answer instead of jumping down their throat.

I would also suggest that those who like to just snap windows shut and jump down learning avatar's throats in groups meant for people to learn and ask questions not be members of those groups. They serve no useful purpose would likely be happier if they didn't see the questions so I question why they even bother to be members of groups meant for fielding questions in the first place if all your gonna do is give someone a hard time because their question doesn't suit your tastes etc or is to whatever.

There is no excuse for rude behaviour sometimes silence is golden and this is one case where it would be the better route to take that or just leave the group

Happens sorry..

p.s. your learning style accounts for about 50% of the learning population if that in fact those that don'tlearn from classes are probably considered to NOT be the norm hence the existance of univerisities and school systems. This is something sadly lacking in SL all we have is those help groups in many cases. So in essence those of us who never seek teachers are in fact the peculiarity ^^ just some food for thought but one thing that people need to learn especially the younger population is patience.

The method of learning has nothing to do with literacy ?

some learn better with their eyes

others learn better with their ears

what to not understand if you dont believe me umm "go look it up" hehe there is a wealth of information on the internet including about styles of learning and abilities.

Presently SL caters to those who like to learn from text (we have chat windows, wiki's and manuals etc what about those who learn from spoken words?)


http://www.todays-learners.com/learningStyles.htm

http://www.ldpride.net/learningstyles.MI.htm#Learning%20Styles%20Explained

Better/worse isn't the point. We're not talking about poring over page after page after page in text books or whatever. Saying "I don't learn well from reading" is absolutely irrelevant when dealing with answers that are no more than a couple of paragraphs of type.

I don't learn well from reading, but I have the good manners to pay attention when someone explains something, even when it's in type on the scree. Preferred learning styles are a total red herring when talking about some pretty simple, bite-size explanations. Simple things like reading the sticky posts at the top of each forum don't need you to "prefer" learning through reading, just that you make the effort and do so.

The fact is a lot of people show up and basically say "Hi I want to make a bunch of money the easy way. Can everyone here just hand me the stuff kthxbai." I see the same on photography forums where someone shows up wanting to know how to do some paid gig they have the day after and they are never seen again. It gets old, and people get cranky. Personally, I tend to just shrug and close the topic most of the time. Genuine "how do I..." stuff I'll answer if a better solution hasn't already been offered though.

But this is not about best learning methods, it's just about manners.

Yes, I'm really a mean and unhelpful person.

.. and I hijack others threads with irrelevant and bad jokes

It's odd; if I get asked things in-world, I give as concise answers as I can, even if they are the most basic they should have found in orientation but when I'm here it's so tempting to hang on one little aspect and go off at a tangent.
I'm getting treatment for this ... just as soon as I log out-world!

But seriously, things in 'conversation' just flow. I mean you wouldn't tell someone who asked you in the street where the police station is 'look it up on the street guide' ... would you? whereas, seeing a question posted here, you saw yesterday .. and probably a couple of days before that ... well, it's so tempting to just point them at that ... unless you can cover it in one or two sentences.

*puts her hands angry on her hips*
No no... Hijacking threads is my job!!!!!!!


Morwen.

There are times I don't answer... because the way the question is worded is so confusing that I can't understand it. Often I'll ask to clarify, but...:

Run-on sentences with no punctuation and imprecise vocabulary (if you don't know the words, at least attach a picture) make me cranky. Extra cranky points when itz spult dat wayz!!!!111!eleventyone.