Age play

Yeah in SL people call the sex stuff ageplay, but every time one of these threads pops up the kids who don't do that kind of stuff get griefed for a week.

that is unfortunate. Ive known several people who are into the second childhood fun (non sexual stuff)

I have even helped someone with a shape for it.

I thought the ageplay term came from the real life sexual kink practice of adults pretending to be underage.

I symphasize wih those who legitimately make use of child avatars but I think I can speak for everyone when I honestly say that I don't lose sleep over it and here's why. Everyone is griefed (with the possible exception of the idealized human adult avatar) that goes for furries, goreans, ageplayers (of the legit variety), people who roleplay combat, people who roleplay star wars (geekiness within geekiness anyone?) etc... and I don't mean to come off as insensitive but I think that you have no more right to complain than anyone else, that being said for full disclosure I do RP in SL however I have been lucky enough never to be a victim of griefing due to it.

P.S. Please for the love of god stay away from Bill O'Rielly unless you have a cross and a lot of holy water.

I have written to LL asking them to close this thread.

Okay...........here's the order of my emails

1.........SL support

2........ Brad Sherman ( House of Representative in the US Congress)

3......... Barbara Boxer (Senior Senator from the state of California in the US Senate)

4........Diane Feinstein (Junior Senator from the state of California in the US Senate)

5.........Bill O'Reilly (Anchorman of the "O'Reilly Factor" on Fox News Channel)

That's four steps away from some very negative press for Second Life and many of us residents.

Referrences this this thread will be included in each and very email.

Is this going to be fun? Not for me..........but it's obvious most here don't think it's a problem when it very obviously is. I'm not hiding anymore.

I'm done..........I won't post anymore on this thread.

while I understand your anger - I dont know how bringing governemnt involvement into Second Life will do anything positive, whatesoever.

Lets say you were sucessful in stamping out the age play. How many of the freedoms we now have in Second Life will get squashed in the process?

I would again point out the ageplayers are all adults,
reguardelss of how warped I feel their kink is.

Peggy as far as I am concerned child sexual abuse is endemic in western society and it has little, or nothing, to do with Second Life. You might want to spend your energies elsewhere where it might do some good.

You must think of this issue alot in order to write that in such graphic detail. Myself, I don't think I even want to start to take my mind to the places you are describing. *shudders*

My experience has shown that those that cry loudest for a person to be burned at the stake are those who fear their own impulses the most.

The "kids" in second life are very good at policing themselves in *both* the roleplay and the ageplay sections. Don't for one second assume that all kids are ageplayers! A huge number (like me) are nosex roleplayers.

Sure ageplay happens - husbands buy school uniforms from sex shops for their wives too - but my experience in second life in the kid community has shown the ageplayers keep that in their own sims or in skyboxes at 700M, both places where you and your cameras shouldn't go (unless of course you are a peeping tom who gets off on such stuff but uses vocal indignation to deflect the truth).

That child you see shopping with their mom or playing on a soccer field is not there to get down and dirty in public, they are almost certainly being truely innocent and acting with respect for their character and also for those around them. So in return... if you want kids to respect your game how about respecting theirs?

Don't like it? Mute, Ignore and move on. But please don't grief us here on the forum or in SL itself, it just demonstrates you are the one with the dirty mind.

i am a sl kid 24 years old irl and i do not have sex as a kid but the thing is i have autism and pervasive develment syndrom so im actuly less mature then i realy am that and i spent my child hood getting raped in your so called mental hospitals you poeple just put poeple there that dont fit in soicity thinking thery owe a debt to it i had a bad child hood and sl is the place TO MAKE WHAT YOU HAVE MISSED IN YOUR LIFE UP make suire this is just aimed towards the lolisex idles not us adults who are no going to have sick sex or else your a racest a bigot and facest asnd you well bgurn in hell for your crimes understand?
all of you?

oh and bout thaT your lucky fACEst isent illegal or bigot it hurts worfse then wat raceist did to poeple do you like hurting poeple?

dagger I'm on.........you PM'd me...............you have email disabled and I can't tell you I'm on right now

You are not the only one to be disturbed. There are a number of individuals who are even simulating the beating and physical abuse of children. I can't say that this is any "sicker" than the simulated sexual things, but it's profoundly disturbing to think that these people are even allowed to act this kind of thing out with other "consenting adults." There are things that Linden Lab may eventually have to do about it, legally, as there are existing and proposed laws about simulated paedophilia in several nations. Those in Canada and the UK are rather strict in interpretation. I've been called intolerant for voicing my complete disgust with the ageplay activity going on, but Linden Lab isn't providing child molesters and abusers with simply a refuge to safely and harmlessly act out their orientation. This kind of activity is only going to reinforce the sexual objectification of children and the desire to translate it over to real life.
I don't think we need to waste our regard, pity or understanding on these wretches. Killing child molesters with rocks and baseball bats is probably far too good for them. I feel the same way about those who abuse animals. Violating the trust and innocence of those who are incapable of taking care of themselves is treason at its worst. There is virtually no known cure for paedophilia and we all ought to be cracking down on it - if for no other reason than the negative publicity that it's bound to attract.

To those who think that this topic has been done to death - sure, you have a point - but you also need to be realistic. This subject is going to keep coming up until Linden Labs takes a more active stand against it. As the SL community grows so will the clamour for an end to sexual ageplay. This isn't a matter that's going to magically disappear.

In my experience most of the SL community regards virtual pedophilia as abhorrent. The majority of these people are happy to take an "out of sight out of mind" approach to it, but an increasing number are looking for ways to draw government attention to it.

The first land my fiance purchased in SL just happened through ill luck to be next door to a child prostitution club (and no I hadn't a clue what ageplay was when we first bought the land!). The things we saw and the things we heard shouted genuinely turned our stomachs. It really is easy to have a fairly relaxed attitude to this conduct right up until you accidently witness a toddler av being sexually abused.

I'm not normally a particularly righteous sort of person, and I believe I have a fairly liberal outlook. But this stuff is sick. We shouldn't have to tolerate it on the mainland. At the very least it needs to be contained to private islands. In saying that, I believe the anti-ageplay griefers to be as bad, if not worse, than the ageplayers themselves. Whilst I lived next door to them the ageplayers were persecuted endlessly, and firebombed regularly. Nobody and nothing warrants that sort of victimization. Zealous bigots and vigilantes only undermine the move to rid SL of sexual ageplay, in my opinion.

The most concerning aspect of sexual ageplay from my perspective is the legal problems it raises. I am Australian, and under Australian law any sort of representation of pedophilia is a criminal offence. That is the act and the people don't need to be real. Hence written stories, comics and the cartoons that are SL avatars are representations for the purpose of our legislation. My system caching the area 256m around me means that chances are when I lived next door to the ageplay prostitutes I stored images that were technically illegal. Further, any Australian engaging the services of one of these child prostitutes is committing a serious crime.

The situation is similar for British, Canadian, German and Dutch citizens as well, as they have similar laws, according to Wikipedia. It's important to recognise that whilst simulated pedophilia may be legal in the United States it is not so for many other parts of the world. And the criminal laws of our home countries govern our behavior in SL. Almost 70% of SL users are non-Americans.

In a media sense the issue is an absolute powder keg, and there are plenty of us out there happy to light the fuse. My fiance and I have recently submitted detailed story info on SL pedophilia to a number of Australian current affairs programs, and we are hopeful that someone bites. Given the current mood in this country in regards anything to do with pedophilia, I'd be genuinely surprised if they didn't.

I wonder if in reality the best way to handle this was to ignore the lindens and alert the media.

Seems a bad aproach to me.

Linden labs is small enough to be resposnsive to actual illegal activity if it exists.

working with them would have been better putting them on the defensive.

Once the damage is done, its too late.

Yes.

Indeed.

LL have an active policy of taking no action against sexual ageplay in SL, as it does not violate U.S. law. Believe me, people have complained. It is their inertia that is the problem.

They seem to take a particularly American centric attitude towards what constitutes appropriate behaviour in Second Life.

I recall a news article about pedophilia in SL where a Linden rep stated that if there was significant community concern about the issue they'd look at doing something about it. That was over a year ago.

How do we get their attention then? The media is our only real outlet.

I have rifled through this thread and I notice that it is getting far fetched.
Just because you are wearing a 'child avatar' doesn't mean you are promoting child pornography.
This is just like saying that every furry in secondlife is a beastest because of the "yiffy" or furry sex. Lets not get irrational on this subject, the act is wrong, not the avatar itself.

1. Don't judge people souly on their avatar
   
2. Don't get as farfetched as to threaten with the press
   
3. The act of ageplay is "morally wrong" not the look
   

-With that said and done, I am thinking this post needs to be closed before the real dirogitory flaming occors. And this whole thread has gotten out of hand

-Joker Opus

This thread is locked for Linden Review.


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