LL seem to be taking action against landbots...

OMG what a silly person, DO NOT TWIST MY WORDS

I have not accused everyone of being in league with the landbots,

Nor was i slandering Anyone, you realy do need ot read what is written.

HOWEVER, i did question a comment from someone else about who informed us all of another person who was supposed to be a land bot?'

And coincidentally was on the spot BEFORE the objects were returned to me, that means he was there the second the land was for sale, and from the conversation i had with him he does buy land, so unless he was telepathic he was using a bot, do you even know what a bot is and how it works?

Do you know this person Bount Curks as far as i know there is no one named with that name , if there is it is coicidental

Your word twistings and ranting is only going to get this thread closed , is that your intentions ?

I will ignore your trolling and answer the valid question that you asked, since others might also like to know the answer. Because, you see, as much as you seem to enjoy insulting me, I do know what I'm talking about.

When land is listed, it pretty much immediately shows up in land search. If someone hits search at the right time, they can see it listed before the bot completes the purchase. I have also arrived on the spot immediately after a bot has purchased someone's land and have been accused of being a landbot because I just happened to show up at the right time. It happens. Doesn't mean the person's in with the bots. In fact, it usually means the person is trying to beat the bots so they can give land back to the person losing it. The bots usually don't land in the parcel that is for sale - they land in another parcel in the same sim and complete the transaction from there.

And the person you are referring to, even though you have reversed the letters of his first and last name - yes, I do know him, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't use bots either.

Carry on with your next barrage of insults. I've been around long enough that it doesn't bother me anymore.

That's almost the exact opposite of what I was trying to say. To the best of my knowledge Count Burks does not use landbots.

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You are a silly person! you should read and take up your argument with the person who Actually said he was/uses land bots, and NOT ME, so again I am telling you not to twist my words,and to reread the thread,
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it was Elanthius Flagstaff who claimed it.

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Unfortunately for Bount Curks and his land flipping buddies I simply reprogrammed and reorganised my infrastructure so that it was gentler and kinder on the environment. Of course, it's impossible for LL to explain exactly what is considered reasonable use of resources but I think I've managed it. It'll be a little bit trial and error I guess as we go forwards.

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And all I said and questioned was;

I say "VERY INTERESTING" because.......

The very second that it the land was stolen....... the Bount arrived,

are they all in the same Gang or the same AV even?

so please do get your facts right before you troll me and twist my words
And take up your issue with the correct poster, and please do read my next reply regarding your buddie. because I can confirm he DOES use bots
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IF this is the opposiite of what you were saying why did you say;-
"Unfortunately for Bount Curks and his land flipping buddies I simply
reprogrammed and reorganised my infrastructure so that it was gentler
and kinder on the environment"


HOWEVER, you are correct in as much that Bount Curks did/does
reprogramme and reorganise his infrastructure so that it was gentler
and kinder on the environment

HOW do I know this? because he told/insinuated me it himself.

And to follow up my question about Bount, I found him very helpful,
and even tried to sell me other land on a Private sim. But cashing in
on other people grief so quickly it validates my question of association
with other bot users! SO it IS a perfectly valid question to ask.

He explained how it happens and said that he is a land trader but does
not deal like the nasty landbots do. "Coder chicks like this wizard
(yes a she) use custom written software and by using a glitch in the
land buying system they steal land", He also said that LL only care or do
anything when their servers get hammered by the landbot.

So,landbot programs are not "one" program but each is a
custom written piece of software, of a variety of styles, some
'friendly', some vicious, depending on the writers aggressiveness

you can take what you like out of my VALID question about association
between them all, but no one has with any clout has refuted it.

I'm not going to address this except to say that you are an idiot who cannot read or write.

Too funny!

I'll second that. I'd ask for a third, but I wouldn't want to derail the thread while it still has some amount of relevance.

Readers, if you're new to the party and are still confused about landbots, search for some of Elanthius's past posts regarding how they work. Whether you like what he does or not, he knows what he's talking about when it comes to landbots and has been very helpful in explaining how they work.

what a waste of time even replying then !! no point in your input at all.

You shoot the messenger and are intollerent to other users, yet try to claim your win with your childish name insults. you lost all credibility now.

TO address your personal and childish insults;
English or even correct Grammatical English is not the only language used in the world, let alone in SL. and I claim neither as my mother tongue. (I speak Fluent Telemese)

But we should expect nothing less from YOU, as one of the largest rental companies in Second Life, your interests obviously lay elsewhere and not with residents.

By all means address the point (NOT BY ME) that "he and his buddies are land flippers" etc. and he can if he so wishes answer my question about association.

As I said he was helpful to me, but coincidences still begged the question.

On second thoughts, people should use google and insert the name such
as yours "Elanthius Flagstaff" or "Landbaron Merlin" etc.
(INCLUDE the quotation marks, it narrows the search)

They will clearly see where your and other parties interest lies, As
this information is readily available within SL and in the public
domain there is no breach of TOS. besides, I am just providing people
with information on where and how to look for help..

The results that come up are astounding, and give details of BOT
users past and present. AS an example here is such a
link; http://www.infopirate.org/bot-use-destroying-sl

It is NO wonder you are defending the use of Bot programs and their
users.. it would appear you are fighting to retain your own landbot
empire.
please do feel free to respond or run away..
(Flame all you like, I 've got Asbestos pants)

The Inquiziter.
so named because he does not take the first answer given.

"Fighting" seems to be a rather strong word, but otherwise I agree.

I don't care what bot you're running. It's a bot. It's an unfair advantage.

In addition, yes, it takes up a resources, so, STOP IT.

Have you looked at his site, Dekker?

Unfair advantage? Are you kidding me? It doesn't buy land! It gives us statistical data about the market and makes searching for land easier.

Really?? you are wrong, how was my land bought by someone that was not on line?

IT is NOT one off the shelf Program!!! there are manyvariants, most are written by the user, some are commissioned by the user but written by a 3rd party.

Such software can be written to do as you say, but most are written with autobuy an facility. The user sets the price tht he wants to buy below and the program will automatically snap it up.

One way that lindens could solve this issue of bots, is to DELAY the sale information going into the main system (for say 30 minutes or more), This way only the people on the plot would know of the land being put up for sale and be able to buy it, without fear of landbot snipers grabbing it under their feet. that 30 mins for 'local' sale would completely stop all the landbot progs doing their evil stealing

If it was standard practice for Lindens to delay the sale information for say, 24hrs land could be sold buy word of mouth to friends but you could of course get the odd passing AV buying it, but that hopefully would make life too difficult for the land bots to bother.

Sounds perfectly simple way out for all, to me!

Not all Bots are used equally. There are several information-gathering bots, which are useful and serve a beneficial purpose. The problem is in usage, not their actual existence. What LL needs to do is insert a CAPTCHA in the land purchase process to ensure that a human being is buying the land, not some bot. Why on God's green earth this hasn't happened yet, I don't know, but LL is contemplating some measures to combat this particular problem, supposedly.

Introducing a delayed update to search results would help bot problems, it would also help reduce load on the search system because they could generate the results once and buffer them to a highly indexed rapid access database table (this is what I do on my site). However it would probably result in the bot owners writing code to send the bots flying over the landscape looking for plots before they showed up, so they could (to some extent) get round this.

A simple and definitive way of sorting this out would be that before the land was finally sold to the buyer, the seller would have to confirm the sale. The land would not be available for sale between buyer offering to buy and seller confirming.

Or LL could put a clear consistent throttle on maximum land sale searches, ideally over a period of a week or two, and actually inform us in advance so we could conform to it - or even write it into the system so nobody got disciplinary action for it!

I do agree with a lot of your post, but you divert away from the Land buying bots issue, And i am tryig to stay on that thread line.

The poin tof woner /buyer being on the land is really a non starter, as far as i see, because if i set me land for sale and i am only on at the weekends and the buyer is only on during the week we would never met and thus lose any sale. same if i had land for sale and went off for a week or two.

I do not believe in fairy stories and do nt think LL is going to do anything about this issue. unless it messes with their operational system or against some law they do not care what happens in SL, I really do find it disgusting that someone can say phrucker or even stepping the slightest bit out of line in the forums yes even telling someone else that He is actually a female can get you get banned, yet L$money /land issues, stealing or conning people out of it is allowed without being contested. My initial land trouble was when i bought land and it was not released to me, i came in the forum to ask and was warned i would be banned if i spoke out anymore about it, it is ludicrous.

SO come on LL make me eat my words and do something about Landbots.

You are very intelligent !
I agree with what you say (was it my idea? )

I have one issue that you pose, Seller confirming the sale, whilst I
agree that is a really good idea, but the practicalities as per my
previous answer, may mess this idea about, Say for example I wish to
buy land from you but you are not on line for 3-4 days in the mean
time, I have found another plot and wish to cancel the purchase from
you, so within this idea there must also be a built in 'buyer wants to
cancel' clause which potentially could mess land sales up indefinitely.
I could be nasty and continuously offer to buy your land which would
prevent you actually selling it.

Although this idea seems simple it isn't,
The Second cautious point on the flip of this, you don't want to sell
to me, so you have to have the option NOT to go through with the sale.
again this I believe along with times people do log in would be a
drain on resources, (not everyone is on line 24/7) so the interim
'sales pending cache' could get to be a considerable size.


If the land is up for sale do we stop the sale after one offer to buy
it? IF the potential buyer backs out of the sale because we were not
on line to sell it to him quick enough? then what do we do? Do we have
a multi offer system? If I get say 10 buyers which do I pick to sell
it to? and if the first sale fall through then what do I do? go
round all the users trying to find one that still wants it?
It would get messy.


I would think much of the land sales (excluding bots/flippers) is sold
on the spur of the moment. only a seasoned user hunts for specific
smaller parcels of land to buy. the rest do it instantly by the price
and how the area looks or money burning hole in their new AV.

My apologies for the long reply

No, but I've been to www.secondlife.com, and that's all that matters.


If you want to search for land, use the Search tool in SecondLife. I'm sure LL would agree.

If you went to his site to see the information gathered, you might actually appreciate the service. There are several good applications for bots that do not include land swooping, and are beneficial to the community. Saying you've been to secondlife.com is blissful ignorance. If you want to waste time searching through pages of land sales, go ahead.

dekker youre a tool. you obviously have no idea what his site is all about.