LL seem to be taking action against landbots...

I'm sure that they do read the forums. They don't post much anymore, even Torley used to post quite a bit, but not so much recently. Really though, that's why they have moderators.

Moderator you mean, Strifes the last one I suspect.

Sorry to hear a good bot, taken out in the crossfire, but I'm'sure with some explaining and proof your bot doesn't buy land at all then it would be reinstated. Somehow I suspect though Wizzard SL Landlists and others may popup soon too offering us a service to justify the 100's of jackals loose on the grid.

bots still around! =/

And how does one Opt-Out of this site? Why is no one crying foul at the lack of an Opt-In process? Or is the outrage at someone running a data collection / search site reserved only for ESC?

You want to condemn one search / data aggregation site. You need to condemn them all.

My guess is LL is in what it wants to avoid - an arms race - and atm the bots are ahead...

Still have no reason to beleive the Lindens are anything but happy to see these sorts of bots around.

Including the Land theft bots.



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Coming to a store near you - Land Theft Bot: can swoop land faster , longer, more consistantly, and more often then the old-school human land theives.

Get yours today!

I availed myself of landbots last week. Needed to unload a couple of parcels the day before tier would be assessed for the next month. Determined the current base price, priced a point below that, and boom: land sold. They provided me a service.

I just lost 1024 to the same wonderful wizard (22 may 07 gmt) so trust me
she is fully active and dangerous.

I'd be most grateful for any help and advice.

Well apparently some bots were banned for misusing resources. Perhaps an AR is in order. Not sure what else can be done unfortunatly.

Or for an extra 5 minutes of effort you could have IMed one of the many reputable land brokers and sold to them directly thus choosing who you wanted to do business with and rewarding honest players.

Abuse report was sent, I doubt if anything will become of it

Basically it is one of SL's inbuilt cancer. and is simple... they allow such abuse to continue within the world.

WORSE than that is the fact that those who have been 'DONE' and try to make their case know by taking it into these forums etc. ( like me) risk being banned themselves for opening our mouths about it. That I find totally disgusting.

So I will be a good citizen and shut up now

Due to Friendly advice I have edited the natural & spontanious swearing out
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I will apologise for leaving it in in the first place, but the reality of SL is you can get banned/suspended for a four letter word Explaining wha thappened, while the real villans get away with murder.
Kinda stupid P-Arse about face if you ask me.


[17:09] (-Friend-): ok well if you need me let me know
[17:09] (-Friend-): and i'll be here
[17:09] You: OMG
[17:09] You: I just discovered a SL bug
[17:09] (-Friend-): hah
[17:09] You: i can set land for sale at stupid prices
[17:09] (-Friend-): what is it
[17:09] (-Friend-): oh
[17:10] You: anyones land
[17:10] (-Friend-): dam
[17:10] (-Friend-): well sell me a plot cheap
[17:10] (-Friend-): hehehehe
[17:11] You: shit this is dangerous
[17:11] (-Friend-): what do you mean
[17:12] IM: (-Friend-): ok
[17:12] IM: (-Friend-): yeah
[17:14] You: you need to own land near it
[17:14] IM: (-Friend-): try it on a small plot 1st
[17:15] You: i need a friend who has land next to mine to try it out
[17:15] IM: (-Friend-): what about land thand is up for sale all over sl
[17:16] (-Friend-): ok well if you like you can sell me you red plot for 1 and i'll resale it back to you to see
[17:17] (-Friend-): this here right
[17:18] (-Friend-): ok
[17:18] (-Friend-): got it
[17:20] (-Friend-): ok i have set it up for sell to you only for 1
[17:20] You: hold
[17:20] (-Friend-): ok
[17:22] (-Friend-): no
[17:23] (-Friend-): ok let me try
[17:25] IM: (-Friend-): ok let me try it that way
[17:26] IM: (-Friend-): no it isn't doing it
[17:26] (-Friend-): i clicking on this plot but it won't go to it
[17:26] IM: (-Friend-): i did
[17:28] IM: (-Friend-): it's not doing that for me
[17:29] (-Friend-): no i tried it but it won't swich plots
[17:30] IM: (-Friend-): ok it's set
[17:31] (-Friend-): this one
[17:31] (-Friend-): oh you're kidding
[17:31] You: no
[17:31] You: have you set it for sale to me
[17:32] (-Friend-): ok now try it
[17:32] Second Life: Your 2 objects have been returned to your inventory lost and found folder near parcel 'evil wizard type name bot(M) 1024' at Figaro 4.59673, 199.927 due to parcel auto return.
[17:33] IM: (-Friend-): P-ammit
[17:33] IM: (-Friend-): this P-astard
[17:33] IM: (-Friend-): P-uck P-uck P-uck'
[17:33] You: hey
[17:33] IM: (-Friend-): P-uck P-uck P-uck
[17:33] (-a stranger-): a landbot took your land
[17:34] You: what
[17:34] (-Friend-): not trying to i was trying to get it set for fixing up
[17:34] (-Friend-): and did the sell
[17:34] (-a stranger-): yes
[17:34] (-Friend-): by mistake
[17:34] (-a stranger-): yes
[17:34] (-a stranger-): landbot bought your parcel
[17:34] IM: (-IM'ed Landbot-)Second Life: User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.
[17:34] (-Friend-): can you sell it back to me
[17:35] (-a stranger-): I didn't buy it
[17:35] (-a stranger-): a landbot bought it
[17:35] (-a stranger-): look at your land
[17:35] (-Friend-): i wasn't intending on doing that
[17:35] (-a stranger-): look at the group
[17:35] (-a stranger-): I didn't buy your land
[17:35] IM: (-Friend-): god P-am inq i feel so P-ucking bad now
[17:35] (-a stranger-): a nasty landbot did

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LL answer ..

SHIT happens... all sales are final

Redress , NONE

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But why does LL allow such programs ?

Bots are clearly a breach of LL security

Possible solutions;

1, Stop 'instant' sales

2, give a second confirmation window

Giving the Land seller a "Correction/ confirmation" time of even 5 minute
would have prevented this type of stupid and genuine mistake happening.


PS,
UPDATE
The land has already been resold and is on the market again at L$10240
less than 12 hrs.


Moral of this story,

Your friends and you can make mistakes, and someone will gain instantly from it and the system does not give a shit.




This should not be in breach of any rules in the forums, so i hope i do not get banned or suspended, i have not named any party, but i am questioning (IN HOUSE) the actions of LL on this kind of issue.

I was told they were investigating why the search was slow and discovered that 16 avatars were using 70% of the resources over the preceding hour so they shut them all down. I don't know if any humans got caught up in that. It would have been more likely 2 months ago when there were more land flippers.

To be clear, I've spoken at some length with Linden labs and this move had absolutely nothing to do with the fairness of bots or price flickering or stealing land and refusing to give it back. It was wholly to do with overuse of the search.

I expect that anyone who didn't get shut down was simply not running during the time they checked which is pretty likely since some of the bots out there are obviously crashing and staying logged out for long periods of time.

Personally I appluad this move by LL. Shutting down landbots because they're mean and horrible ( /me stamps tiny little avatar feet ) is unfair and pointless. But it is important for LL to keep a close eye on how ALL residents use and abuse the system resources we all share. To be honest, considering I pay $1700 a month in tier I think I deserve a bigger slice than most people but I can understand if LL doesn't agree or want to operate that way.

Unfortunately for Count Burks and his land flipping buddies I simply reprogrammed and reorganised my infrastructure so that it was gentler and kinder on the environment. Of course, it's impossible for LL to explain exactly what is considered reasonable use of resources but I think I've managed it. It'll be a little bit trial and error I guess as we go forwards.

PLEASE tell me you're joking about this new 'feature' of SL. If you can sell other people's land, our favorite Landbaron won't need to rely on other people's mistakes.

If this is true, you do realize that you'll be the one who gets banned for illegally selling land, not the landbot for buying it, right?

GET off your pony there is no ride in this !!! and i take acception to you insinuating I illegally tried to do anything wrong !

It is true and there was nothing illegal in what happened,


Simple ;
Step one;
My orig selling price was too high.

Step two;
I had clicked MY land to reset the sale price,
during this mistakenly clicked the land next to mine
the land right next to mine was for sale.

Step 3; I reset the price and the then realised that it was not my land that I was setting the price on (hence the "OMG"

I could not believe that I could do this, and DID NOT WANT TO!
but was this a bug in SL?? I am alarmed.

Step4;
So I am not defrauding anyone but also to make sure it was a bug before reporting it to LL I sell my land to my 'friend' to check it out.

Step 5
Sold *MY* land to friend, and then clicked more of my land and the land I sold to him (for $1)

Step 6 ;
Checked out the "BUG" ( although it does allow you to set other peoples land price and all other deatails it does no complete the transaction)

Step 7; proven ( with my own lands) there is no bug

step 8; Friend sells land back to me (for $1)

step 9; yes there does seem to be a bug ... if you read my friend did try to set sale to me specific user, but the sale did not do that

Step 911; LAndbot steals land from under us (For $1)

THERE IS NOTHING ILLEGAL IN ANYTHING THAT WAS DONE by US.

STOP YOUR JUMPING ABOUT LIKE A BIGGER FOOL and trying to justify Landbots ********************


Anyone can try this "bug"

If you own land, click you land for sale, when the set for sale window comes, then click ajacent land ( not yours) and you will see you can go through all the motions of selling land next to yours.

THIS is the "BUG" I thought I had discovered, and rather than mess with anyone elses property I tried it on my own before reporting it to LL as a bug, Had I wanted to defraud anyone i would have sold their land and not put mine at risk.

Think about it. if you find anything then it is your paranoia that drives you

It's like reading the log of two kids who found their dad's gun. I read it with morbid fascination. You may want to edit out the profanity, or we may see this thread close. I hope it stays open. It's a nice cautionary tale for the uninformed...

Elanthius, thanks for shedding light on what is really going on. So it appears they could give a crap about the evil stealing wizard. I knew it was too good to be true.

VERY interesting !!!!!!!!!!!!

You mentioned Bount Curks ( please edit your post as it is naming in posts get closed because of it?? and i would like to see this one open longer


I say "VERY INTERESTING" because.......

The very second that it the land was stolen....... the Bount arrived,

are they all in the same Gang or the same AV even?

That's what they told me on the help line, and they NOT doing anything about them!!

Your mistake for setting the land for sale incorrectly.

It took me a a long time for me to even acknowledge what a landbot was or evven existed
still I guess it is a money driven world and they do not really care about residents

The best they could do for me was to tell me to get the money from my friend as it was his mistake, not LL or any bot, and I should take it up with him.

So, others be warned you are on your own in this world, you will get no help from anyone

Sadly, this is not news.

Imagine going into Starbucks and having someone run up and grab the money out your hand as you are paying and run out the door with your cash. Then the cashier says to you "Sorry, what he did is not against Starbucks rules". Would you still want to do business there?

I will not pay another penny of land tier until LL stops the evil wizard bot owner from stealing from others. Ban him already! Since his thievery is within the rules of the TOS, change the TOS and permaban him!

Oh I love this, I would really like to know who you spoke to Elanthius as I have so far failed to have a conversation with Linden Labs other than being told a couple of times at office hours to wait for support to get back to me. If you are right and your version of their version of events fits the facts pretty well I love the way LL make policy in this area. Look at the server which is running slowly and conclude that the avs hitting it heavily at that time are the reason its running slowly. Then instead of coming up with any definition of what reasonable use is or looking at the situation over the long term or issuing a warning they hand out 3 day suspensions. I thought they might actually have done something both popular and sensible in preserving their own resources i.e. defining a reasonable lowish use limit on land search. But instead what happened is someone got peeved and decided to hand out a few disciplinaries. Talk about a fair and consistent abuse management system. Which wouldn't even have solved their short term problem let alone long term land search overuse. Assuming you are correct Elanthius. If they had had a problem an hour later my search wouldn't have been running. Irony is the service I was providing could have potentially reduced load on their servers by diverting land search away from them. But at the moment I can't get it going again without a conversation with someone such as Elanthius has had. I've got no desire to have them do this again and hit my main account because my alt got 2 disciplinaries.

And to the poster who thought it was not an opt-in service I was providing when you put your land on sale you know it will be advertised for sale in the inworld search lists (unlike the Sheep bot) so how could you object to it being advertised on an SL-related website?

Your post isn't clear about one crucial detail:

Can you REALLY set anyone's land for sale at a different price, and then successfully buy the land at that price? Or does the interface just let you pretend to do it and then not apply the changes?

If it's the latter, you might report it as an interface bug. If it's the former you should report it as a major bug and I will too!

YES ... NO... NO . and YES

YES Can you REALLY set anyone's land for sale at a different price,

NO, althought it says you have set it and complete the actions it does not change the 'owners' Orig price

No you cannot buy it at the changed price.

YES, the interface just let you pretend to do it and then not apply the changes?



I have reported it on the phone they (LL) know all about it. because they were able to tell me the sale will not go through.


I was so shocked at being able to do it, and not wanting to defraud anyone i tried it with my own lands. and the penalty for checking out an SL 'bug' was to lose my land for L$1

What the hell are you talking about? It's very difficult to understand you. I'm saying if you set someone else's land for sale and someone buys it, you ARE doing something illegal. You did not clarify in your first post that it's not possible to actually do this.

Stop the friggin drama already.

Why are you accusing everyone of being in league with the landbots, anyway? No need to slander the innocent.

Sigh go cool off there is no drama , apart from your own
if you cannot understad a simple yes , no no , yes to your questions you have no chance of understanding anything.