nah sayers and the sky is falling

...okay try 10,000.00 in quarters. Does that make a difference? No.

Not 'legally.' Service is approximately $15/month for up to 50 characters, no more than 10 characters per server. There ARE gold farming sites out there which you can buy from, but if you get caught, you may get suspended or ejected. *shrug*

There are still casinos and "financial institutions" in SL...

Oh yes, they whine all the time.... they whine over how their character was nerfed with the last update.... and they whine over selling items outside of games.... they whine over farmers and macro'ers.... they whine over griefers... they whine about that the game is too easy... they whine about that the game is too hard....

And when they don't whine about that, they whine over lousy games as Everquest II and Lineage II...
While on the Everquest II forums people whine over stupid games as WoW and Lineage II...
And on the Lineage II forums they whine over every other game...

You see the line?

Some times I think whining has to be a part of the human nature (neko's, furries and faeries included).

Morwen.

With the present falling of the sky I have had several people who are newer players tell me they dont understand why I dont get worked up about this stuff. I tell them when you are around for awhile you start to see that if you actually did get worked up about every problem well you would either have a heart attack or possibly end up in a rubber room. Are there important issues ? yes. But as of yet anyone who actually is involved in those issues who is truly upset has yet to actually take action.

In any event over time those who ask me to pick up the fight for problem x this week eventualy get to see that if I actually did work on being a radical protester or helping so sue someone i would do nothing else and the entire thing would consume me (any anyone else who tried to actualy do this regularly). There comes a point where it becomes unrealistic to worry or do more then just read about it and put a few comments on a message board.

This last week I have been approached inworld 4 times now for 4 seperate issues to protest or help develop a lawsuit of some sort. I told each one no because I simply did now have the will to make what I consider to be recreation ingame into a full time energy sapping emotionally draining stressful experience. One of the issues actually affect me and it was with regards to land but in all honesty it would be less taxing to simply pick up and move elsewhere and far more enjoyable to rebuild again then getting involved with mountains of papers and lawyers .

In all honesty people do need to learn to roll withpunches however the forum is simply a place where people seek information, advice and share information and for various purposes. I see nothing wrong with posting about issues and problems and seeking advice from peers who use this "thingy" called second life and that is the purpose of the resident answers forum . So in all honesty I dont see a forum with the sky faling. What does bother me is starting new threads to cover old issues. I think part of this however is competitive at least that is the feeling that I have gotten recently. Posting new information to an old thread on a subject seems to be underwhelming to some people so new information posted to old threads is then picked up by some guy who will start a new thread using the new information. This loooks to be a competitive thing to me and nothing more.

How many of those threads include threats of legal action that get support from other forum-tards?

I agree that complaining and disatisfaction are key parts of the human condition. Sometimes it brings positive things like "we need an easier way to communicate with each other" other times it brings lawyers and marketers.

Ive given up on trying to keep prim items from dissapearing into my crotch everytime SL lags and I wander off in some suicidal direction crashing into anthing and everything!

If SL really wanted to make life easier on us they may consider creeating a waypoint feature like many sensible games etc have.
Just right click on a point so a pie wedge opens that has 'go to'. Thereby seting controlled movement in SL via useing these waypoints!

There are spare pie segments that could be turned into 'go to' this way point.

Now thats something that actually gives more real actuall benefit to residents, unlike voice or the latest connectivity feature that looks great! But i doubt everyone knows what it all means. And having unexplained new screens show up without explaination. Plus that wernt able to be reduced or turned off 1st 3 dys was a real pain!

And ive had enough grief from Sl without opening myself to a flood of new problems by setting up a business or home in SL. And as support isnt much better with premier i wonder why i paid for premier!

The latest pearls from support were to ask if i wanted to delete support tickets on an account they took 2 attempts to delete, at my request! Now if i couldnt access its my accounts page to delete it myself, then how did they expect me to delete support tickets on it after it was deleted???

And to show what funny asses they are they later asked if i wanted to delete my yrly premier account that still has almost a yrs premier support to go before it reverts to basic again! Unless they fuc up yet again and do anohter another stupid one of their pranks

Arnt there enough legitemate problem for them to fix without them creating practical joke ones????? Thats not what I paid over $70 US for !!!

Sounds like a crappy connection or computer to me! I had similar issues until I upgraded.



Click on the ground sometime...there used to be that feature...not sure if it's still there since I never used it because it's silly.



What, you thought you were ordering a microwave or something?! I know you're not acting like you HAD to spend that much just to play the game!

This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say people take it too seriously and think it's more than an entertainment platform.

Maybe not so often as here. But it does happen. Specially when people think that the company behind the game did not what they promised to do (mostly people forget to read things as the ToS very well). And yes, there always "clever people" who jump on that.

But I do remember that there was once a real lawsuit against OSI/EA (the company behind Ultima Online). It was about items people lost due a bug in the game and OSI/AE refused to replace them. The result was very simple and clear... People who play Ultima Online own nothing in the game and their was no way people could hold OSI/EA reliable for the items they lost.

Okay, that was UO.... I don't say it is the same for SL.

Morwen.

*offers some cheese with that*

100% with you on this one, Meade. There is actually a thread started today that was essentially "SL sucks at the moment, I'm going to go do something else."

Perhaps we could agree to stick to one SL-is-borked thread per day, and if someone starts their own thread, we just politely point them to that day's thread and ask them to join the discussion already in progress.

Pave d'Affinois, please.

Note, however, that I'm not starting another thread to whine - I'm keeping it in an existing thread since it's basically the same topic.


Oh! Or maybe get a new forum.. Er.. "Bring the Bitching!" or maybe "Linden Bitchfest" or "I'm going to do 10 threads on my lag but won't tell you what OS I have or even say what continent I'm on."

/me decides to stop for a drink, or maybe 3, on the way home.

We could totally start a couple threads complaining about how the search function isn't as prominently displayed in the forum control panel so people could look for threads that already say the shit they want to say!

LOL

Veruca says: "But Daddy, I want my own thread NOWWWWWW!!!"

Read first thread it not a sl sucks thread

here is the thread

Well if it is as you say, just a "game", how about maybe removing the SL link, calling it a 3 D platform which can be used for business & education. Alas, that then might help to not bring in anyone thinking seriously of using it for business or education.

http://secondlife.com/businesseducation/
With Second Life, you are only limited by your imagination.

Second Life is a 3D platform that can be used for:
Presenting, promoting, and selling content to a broad online audience
Collaborating and communicating in real time between multiple participants
Researching new concepts/products
Training and educating in virtual classrooms

Then we have, "Doing Bussiness"
http://secondlife.com/businesseducation/doingbiz/

I don''t read that as "Doing Game" on that page. However a bit of game play in doing business is always fun.
SL is a most lovely amazing game as well business platform,, which I humbly would like to see work reliably.
jmho & I'm outa here , off to find some evening fun
Blessing & Take Care All

I accidentally kicked a hedgehog last night in the garden...I was only wearing Birkenstocks without socks (erm, BESIDES clothing...I wasn't doing naked midnight gardening or anything! )...they ARE prickly things!

Oh, and Meade-count me in. I am slowly but surely getting more annoyed by bazillions of threads with the same whining than I am about SL actually misfunctioning....

It doesn't matter what their advertising copy says. I was under the impression that SWG had roleplay in it because it was called an mmoRPG...yet it was just running around shooting people.

All that marketing bullshit looks like this to me...

http://www.andrewdavidson.com/gibberish/?companyname=Second+Life

Education has nothing to do with any of this since it's technically always a loss of money from a robot accountant's standpoint.

You could run a class on Counter Strike if you did it right!

Also, business doesn't always mean "commerce". I could conduct legitimate (i.e. non-SL) business in SL by having a private sim inaccessible to the general public for remote meetings that require more than just talking to be conducted. It could also mean marketing. Both of these could also be pulled off in Counter Strike if done right.

Both of these are being done all the time in SL...some of it successfully when the people doing it know what they're doing!

But yeah, if LL maintains that businesses could use SL yet the currency holds no value, one can easily come to the conclusion that this means they aren't talking about direct commercial transactions so much as the methods I just mentioned.

Apologies, Zaire... obviously we have taken your thread, which specifically dealt with doomsday predictions, and have extended it into a general condemnation of the proliferation of SL-sucks threads.

I do actually agree with your original point that people are ridiculously quick to predict the end of SL. I occasionally browse the archived threads from years ago, and you are exactly right: every change, every glitch, every flutter of an eyelash incites someone to declare "THIS will be the end of SL!"

And yet it keeps going. The platform itself may not be stable, but in terms of staying alive, SL is proving remarkably resilient.

I do not agree with your statement that the naysaying wigs people out, though. I think by this point most of us (at least here on the forums) just find it amusing, annoying, or boring... but certainly never frightening.

Do you have the slightest idea how many people you just lifted your leg on? Do you care?

Well, as an aspiring tool and SL user I am happy to resolutely report that when I am paying for a service and do not get my money's worth, I reserve the right to complain until the stars burn out. I don't care if the service costs a dollar. If I'm getting 50 cents worth of value out of it I just lost half my investment. And someone will hear about it. Call it what you want - game, obsession, whatever.

I don't know what your first sentence has to do with anything. If you want to draw that parallel, then after we pay our LL membership fee, no tier fees and no purchase prices on land. Because after you pay your quarter at the arcade, that's the end of the transactions involving your wallet, and you're never led to believe there's anymore than a quarter's worth of value in playing.

Forum users, is there really any need to abuse people like that? Yes the WoW forums do get people including threats of legal action, plenty in Europe over the farcical way they handled the collectors edition inworld pet.

Squeeze, I have have to say that your entertainment argument doesn't work for me. If my cable went out as frequently as SL does I would be furious.

A product is offered, I pay for the service, I expect to get what I paid for. That really is not a lot to ask. Do I think the sky is falling for SL? I don't know. I think it depends on how quickly a competitor comes online offering better stability and service. I think others, like me, will be around and deal with it for now but that's not likely to be true once another option comes along.

he didn't say EVERYONE is a forum-tard....

I don't have cable for that very reason. The provider in my area is a rip-off for the amount of money it costs vs. what I actually want.

Would you depend on your cable service to do business and make an income?