Is anyone happy, excited optimistic about voice coming?

That poll is already on this forum, and with over 300 replies so far, it has been running a steady 2 to 1 against implementing Voice at all. Not that LL will listen. Historically, when they think something is great, and the forum denizens think they are off their rocker and it sucks, they go ahead and do it anyway, ignoring their most vocal customers.

“In•tol•er•ant: not tolerating or respecting beliefs, opinions, usages, manners, etc., different from one's own, as in political or religious matters; bigoted.”

First of all, some of my best friends are trannies. I like animals, too and have chatted with a few furries in my day.

But then again, if you mean am I intolerant of people pretending to be animals and having sex as animals, with other animals or people? I certainly don’t get it and so I don't respect it. My opinion is it’s sick and twisted and I wouldn’t be friends with someone who does that sort of thing. (I know we fellow SLers can't voice that opinion because it's not SL PC.) But I’m not going to stop them or get a bunch of outsider yokels to hoot and holler to the government about it. So yes, I do tolerate it.

Heck there are worse things in SL that I don’t see why anyone tolerates: Child AVs having sex with Adult AVs. Child AVs as hookers. Incest sexplay. Rape sexplay. The daily verbal and physical abuse women AVs tolerate from many male AVs every day in SL. The whole “anything for a buck” mentality that has grown in SL. Griefers. Real Estate griefers. Unverified accounts. Lousy grid and sim performance.

Adding voice is the least of our worries.

Though I am against voice chat integration, i still don't mind hearing a male voice from a female avatar even though it does totally ruin it in every way. The fact is that even i gender play. I have been told that i should have been female because I act 90% female when it comes to emotions and mind. I have a kind heart, and sorta a nurturer. However i prefer not to go through with the change because all the risks and pain involved. So to me it isn't about gender its about the person inside.

Be who you want to be. You shouldn't limit yourself to what life handed you when your mind could do better. However voice chat does ruin it for those who want something different. It's forcing those of us who do not play SL as what we are IRL to sound way off from what we imagined. A 3 ft tall alien should not sound like james earl jones. A beach head bodybuilder guy should not sound like a 19 year old girl. And that cute fox vixen dancing over there should not sound like a squeaky teenage male.

I can understand that businesses could benefit from voice chat, but thats why all those other voice chat clients exist. Currently i use skype while in SL so i can talk to my close friends. Yes skype is incapable of large conferences, but ventrillo can do it quite well. Team Speak may be old and i may hate it but it works too.

AckAck, again, thanks for pointing yourself out. Your defense of your position only proves the point. What consenting adults choose to do with each other is not your concern, or mine. Live and let live. That you assume that the only people who are against voice chat are furries and transvestites is simply ignorant and perfectly illustrates one of the reasons that many people are against it - the assumption that those who prefer not to use it have something to hide that you think they should be ashamed of. Your faux tolerance is wholly unconvincing. You're simply small minded. Why did you feel it necessary to quote the definition of intolerance? Were you unclear on its meaning and had to look it up? If the shoe fits...

Kinda think Ack Ack's comments will be fairly representitive of how many in SL will be reacting to the non-voice tagged people in second life.

The small minded group is bigger than we see here (usually) on the forums.

If you think furries are all about sex and sex with animals, boy are you naive.



How much worse do you think it'd be with idiots going around saying, "Voice with me or I tell everyone you're a guy!"?

Sorry. Not trying to defend my intolerance. Let's make that clear. I accept it, but only regarding the furred ones.

Furries as a concept is cute. Sex between furries? Weird. And with humans? Just not healthy. So yes, I tolerate the behavior (not in my SL house) but do not respect it, so according to the definition (I did have to copy it in, because I don't know the definition by heart), I am intolerant of cross-species and animal/human sex. Doesn't really matter to all you horny furries, now, does it? Are they embarrassing to me and something I don't tell RL friends about when trying to promote SL? Sure. Do the Lindens promote it to IBM? Not so sure.

My point was: Furries shouldn't worry about their voices and they won't become second-class citizens because they type to communicate. And I don't get why everyone thinks men playing women are now going to be shamed out of SL. They won't.

This is way off topic. Good night.

YOU JUST DON'T GET IT.

Furries are not about sex. No more than humans are about sex anyway.

I'm a furry myself, and have been on Secondlife for over a year. Not once have I ever engaged in any sexual activity on this game. I'm on here to build avatars and make money. However, I do understand why we have a negative rep. The increasing amount of "FREE YIFF NOW PLZ!!" furries is disgusting and I really can't blame the outside for being repulsed. I see this behavior every single day and, since I'm a furry, most fellow furs automatically assume I'm only on the game to get my rocks off. One can say "Don't like it, don't look at it.." but that's easier said than done when it's constantly shoved in my face and advertised wherever I go.

Furs in general spend so much time building wall to separate themselves from the mainstream that they fall further into their own fantasy world. Some have even lost touch with reality and believe voicing their turn-ons and fetishes in public is a way to show their pride. The "free-speech" excuse is used all the time, and although they may have a point, there's still a line between what needs to be said and what one should keep to themselves out of decency and respect. In the midst of all this, furs rant and protest that they're just like regular people... When it's quite obvious that's not really the case.

On topic, I could care less if this voice chat is implemented or not. One good thing about it is that it'll allow me to prove to people I'm not a guy. Seeing as how so many furries gender play and are usually male in RL, most people typically assume I'm not female. It's rather annoying and somewhat insulting.

Also, if voice chat was possible in the future, it would make it a lot easier and faster for me to teach people how to build their own avatars and do complex texturing. I've always wanted to host a building class or two on SL, and having this voice feature would make that all the more possible.

I travel 300 days a year for work. The way I connect is using my laptop.
First the sound on my lap sucks. Getting a head set would mean more crap to drag around in my laptop bag. I often access the net from public places. The only thing more rude than some clueless fool polluting the air space around with a cell phone would be me trying to chat it up on SL. Not to mention the privacy issues of not wanting the world around me to hear every little thing I am doing.
In nut shell this is a bad idea for me and I won't use it.

I am not a luddite trying to throw her sabbots into the gear works but pointing out some practical matters that LL has seemed to over look.

At home our computer is in the same room with the tv and stereo. Having Second Life yammering away in the back ground competeting for sound would not be good for us.

That last point is I like text. If I need to answer my cell phone or do something else I can go back through and catch up with the converstation.

If Second Life becomes a two tiered society the voiced v.s. the non voiced then it will be a sign to pack it up and move on.

I would also add my voice to the others here who have said fix the damm thing and stop trying to think up new gizmos to add to it. SL has had this problem since 1.2.

Roxie

How will we know who it is using it for griefing? Say there is a male voice screaming obscenities in a crowded public area, how do you know which avatar it's coming from if there are 30 others yakking with mouths flapping at the same time? Ask? How many griefers are going to admit it was them? None.

And with no way to prove the griefing, and no name to attach to the AR (don't laugh at me, I know I know) well, it'll be an open ended griefing weapon of choice.

I really can't say for sure what tools they will be able to include to help with this. From what little information we have at this point, the promximity features may help to tell what direction it is coming from. The animations, which can be turned off (so it may not be as useful for an experianced griefer) could help to determine who it is if they are screaming.

The very best way to try and make sure that there are adequate tools to determine a griefers identity is to become involved in the testing. Arrange groups to specifically test it's use in different settings. Make suggestions on how it could be improved.

If it is opt-out, I'll probably let it think I'm voice enabled, but won't actually have a microphone. Let people wonder why Anna isn't responding. If enough people do this people will get used to not being able to chat with everyone lacking the not-enabled icon, the icon will be less useful, and maybe they'll just drop it.

The danger is that by leaving it enabled I'll have to hear it or turn sound off altogether. I hope that's not how it'll work. I'd be satisfied if I could turn it on and turn the volume all the way down.

There's a mention of it in the blog:Which can either mean that talking louder means your voice carries farther, or there is a shout feature which both amplies your voice for those near, and offers a greater range.

I'll vote for the second, it has more chance of making everyone go deaf, which will make having voice largely irrelevant .

Not terribly excited about it at all, but I know there's some places where it /could/ be put to interesting and good uses, as long as it's possible to mute individuals in case of "moron invasion"....

1. Live DJ/music events
2. Class teaching

Will I use it? I'm male, I don't have a very clear voice, but I don't mind talking to folks. I already do, in some of the avatars I create I've used my voice to make voices for them.

Those are going to be two great uses, electronica events with dj's doing live sets will be all the better, although even before voice they could just stream it through the main audio system which would avoid the inherent clutter with voice.

I personally think its a silly idea, but am basically ambivilent. I fear that it will have a ripple effect and create many unthought of negative consequences. I would much rather that effort and energy be appied to correcting existing problems. Having said that, if it comes about and I can use it without expensive equipment upgrades, I would probably use it.

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