Suzeanne, doesn't seem to be working for me!
Of course you have yet to refute my plitely spoken, proper worded, nonrant post of the reasons why it should dismantled except to say 'children will always pitch a hissy fit when you tlel them no.'
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Jonas Pierterson
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02-28-2006 07:20
Suzeanne, doesn't seem to be working for me!
Of course you have yet to refute my plitely spoken, proper worded, nonrant post of the reasons why it should dismantled except to say 'children will always pitch a hissy fit when you tlel them no.' |
Torley Linden
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03-02-2006 03:23
This has been moved to the SL ResMod forum, for things ResMod.
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03-02-2006 03:29
I wasn't sure about resmods but I thought it was worth a try and I didn't say anything for or against during the lead up. Since resmodding started it does seem that flaming, and stupid pointless personal insults have reduced. This can only be a good thing. Coincidence ? I think probably not. Therefore at this early stage I am voting yes to keep the resmod program.
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Jonas Pierterson
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03-02-2006 08:46
Torley, it was on general for the poll effect, I reques it moved back as it was a -general- question/poll.
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03-02-2006 09:24
Jonas, first of all.. i appreciate the non-partisan OP about this topic and find the results interesting. (it started with the "Yes" votes taking the lead, but flipped early on to the "No" votes and the spread between them seems to be fluctuating even still)
second, this forum is becoming more populated and is meant for all threads about the ResMod program. i understand where it could be viewed as a "General" type of thread due to it's query of the community upon a Linden enacted program and the feelings of the community thereof; however, it is also clearly about the ResMod program and thus relegates itself to the ResMod forum by default. with the popularity of ResMod debates, i'm sure this forum will see a significant amount of traffic and your poll should enjoy continued attention. plus, with 105 votes, you're poll is well past its half-life and the current results are highly indicative of final results at this point. with that said, i'm interested to see what the discussions here lead to as they have been well worded and presented. _____________________
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03-02-2006 09:43
I know that forum polls are generally considered inaccurate, however, I haven't really seen the numbers vary much between the three ResMod polls. If resident support for this program is a priority for the Lindens, they need to make a play for these perpetually undecided voters. What would these voters like to see before they are happy? Sadly, I don't think the Lindens are much interested in how we feel about this program. Why do we have to suffer all these endless threads when more people either agree (or dont care), than those that are doing all the crying and stamping of feet over this? There were three or four threads by Jonas alone when I logged in this morning and this is like the second month of three or four threads a day about it. How long does all this crying have to go on when those doing the complaining dont even have a rational alternative to offer? Wahhh! We want it like it was befoooree!!! ![]() - Do you really think LL is going to hire more people just to police the forums? - Do you really think they are going to let them go unmoderated? - Do you actually want the (rather benign) moderation of fellow residents to go away in favour of third-party moderation? - Do you think LL wants to pay for a third-party moderation? - Do you want to pay for a third-party moderation? - Did you not notice how few complaints about actual moderation decisions there have been since the res-mod program started relative to those before? When I ask these questions of supporters of removing the res-mods they almost uniformly answer "no" to all of them or refuse to answer and have another hissy-fit. As always, I am in favour of no moderation at all as the only rational no-maintenance solution, but it aint going to happen. Get over it and move on. Jeez! ![]() _____________________
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03-02-2006 10:16
i must contend that LL does care about the concerns of the community. while it may not have resulted in the dismantling of the program, there have been significant changes made.
here's a (partial, i'm sure) reposting of a list of addressed concerns from the "I declare this thread to be open discourse" thread: transparency - a good amount of information has been made public knowledge and there exists attempts to continue to do so and to increase said transparency. consistency - i'm not saying there aren't some wrinkles in the fabric, but the ResMods have been working at this since the beginning. when something isn't clear-cut, we have a thread (in the ResMod forum) to discuss what should be done and can acheive an answer together. there is also the Best Practices thread which is continually being added to which helps define some finer points for consistent moderation. release of ResMod list - as of Phase 2, this list is confirmed before being released. so, we no longer will have the "hey, what is this? i didn't want this" reaction, which just looks sloppy to the community. profanity - this is listed in Best Practices and has been defined communally in several places as well. it comes down to a simple basic rule: profanity is ok, but not when used to attack someone. the arguement of "this language is inappropriate for PG forums" can only be applied to tmies when someone is being attacked, not when profanity is used as a part of speech. AR info - this was taken care of long ago. all identifying information was taken out and ResMods don't know where they come from. (this was requested by both the community as a whole AND by the ResMods themselves.) job knowledge - it needs some tweaking, but now there exists a week-long training period for new ResMods to learn the ropes and thus ease into their roles. it wasn't a beaming success this time through, but it was a large step in the right direction and definitely helped in defining ResMod responsibilities. i know some of you have seen that post, but i thought it bore reposting here to address this issue. unfortunately, not every concern can be fixed immediately, it takes time to iron out some things, as has been evidenced clearly with the ResMod program. not every single move by a ResMod will be a perfect one, but we are all trying to do as good a job as possible. i implore the community to help us evolve into a usefull tool for the forums. whatever problems you have, define them concisely and perhaps we can come up with a cure for what ails you. if, after some time, it becomes apparent that the program won't work, then by all means.. i'll agree that we should shelve it. although i would hate to see 3rd party moderators come in.. i fear that would damage our freedom beyond what anyone would want to deal with. for instance, the City of Heroes forums.. remember the London bombings? i wanted to express my concern for those who were affected by that horror and while we were freely discussing our concerns here, i thought i would jump over to the CoH forums and voice my concern there.. i mean, it is a game about heroes, right? so i started a thread wishing those involved peace of mind and how their pain was felt by many. well, my thread was promptly closed. why? because it didn't have to do with the game. now, it's their forums and the have the right to do that.. it just shocked me that a game about role-playing heroes would shut out concern for people suffering tragedy. if there is anybody who can moderate with context in mind, it is us.. as in SLers as a whole. i concede it may work better if LL were to hire a couple Resis as full-time paid employees to moderate officially, but in the meantime.. this is what we have and through all the opinions both "for" and "against", we are all working to come to a conclusion that will benefit us all. _____________________
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03-02-2006 10:39
Get over us wanting the program gone. the majority of forum goes have said they don't like the program.
We HAVE given alternatives. Such as hire interns..hire a fulltime Linden..etc. This is mroe akin to spoiled children keeping things a majority don't want because they like it. - Do you really think LL is going to hire more people just to police the forums? They SHOULD - Do you really think they are going to let them go unmoderated? no - Do you actually want the (rather benign) moderation of fellow residents to go away in favour of third-party moderation? YES - Do you think LL wants to pay for a third-party moderation? NO, BUT THEY CAN - Do you want to pay for a third-party moderation? I already stated I would support a premium cost increase to pay for it - Did you not notice how few complaints about actual moderation decisions there have been since the res-mod program started relative to those before? There have been more that I've witnessed. Take off the rose colored glasses GET RID OF THE RESMOD PROGRAM. You tried it, it has failed. Listen to your customers. |
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03-02-2006 16:55
Torley, it was on general for the poll effect, I reques it moved back as it was a -general- question/poll. It belongs more approriately in general. And we're in the right place to generally and specifically discuss ResMods--you can certainly encourage more Resis to come here and vote! ![]() _____________________
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Jonas Pierterson
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03-02-2006 18:59
I did by posting a message on the general, where more go. It was locked as a repost. When I told them to come -here- in the post.
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Torley Linden
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03-02-2006 19:58
I did by posting a message on the general, where more go. It was locked as a repost. When I told them to come -here- in the post. Thanks--I've already got an announcement up there now! _____________________
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