A problem with overactive res mods

So I have a problem with some of you guys. You are too frigging active. You might consider the CONTENT of a post and its AUDIENCE before moving threads.

Case in point: This past weekend there was a contest, by the FFRC, targeted towards scripters to make a new box office script. Now given that the Lindens have actually stated that they think moving to a for-pay model for entertainment is something they want us to move to, that the DI has gone the way of the dodo bird, and that box-office controls are inadequate at best, this is a good thing! This will benefit lots of people.

So Persephone Phoenix, who is leading the charge on the box office contests, posts about it in the scripters forum so that its INTENDED AUDIENCE will read it. Its not there for an hour before it is moved to events. Scripters don't read events.

Some of the topics you've moved from general to other forums are completely arbitrary or subjective.

And the thing is, we've had more threads moved around now that you guys are being overactive than we ever did when Jeska and Jess were moderating these forums.

We know you are res mods. We know you have muscle. We know you have teh power. You don't need to remind us at EVERY FRIGGING OPPORTUNITY! You might consider that you aren't in this to deliver the beat down but to help if things get out of hand. If things aren't out of hand, why be the MAN? What the hell is up with you guys anyway? Are you really so insecure that you need to play cat and mouse with our threads all day?

I agree with you, partially. But it doesn't make their job (or, volunteeer work) any easier when people make posts just to see how long it will take to get them moved.

Another great example, Vivanne. But again, I don't think the problem is the ResMods. Its the over-use of the AR button. Perhaps we should just remove the AR button and let the ResMods use their judgement so they're not swamped by the forum nannies.

Regards,

-Flip

Now wait.

You are implying that the resmods respond to threads entirely on the basis of number of reports they get, which insults their intelligence.

Although they may mention getting a lot of AR's (and shouldn't), that doesn't mean the threads don't deserve to be moved in the first place. They probably mention it in self-defense, to indicate that lots of people thought the thread should be moved.

Probably the only thread I've seen moved that I didn't think should have been is the one Robin put in General from Linden Answers. She wanted it seen by the most people possible, and that shouldn't have been overruled by a resmod.

The idea of removing the AR button is just . . . from outer space. If you are going to do that, you would for sure have to hire professional moderators, and scrap the resmod program.

Referring to people as "forum nannies" is an insult to other residents.

coco

May I interject to say that any mention of the number of reports drives me off the deep end?

I am not sure why, but it makes me want to tear the wings off of butterflies (not you Aimee ).

I RARELY use that button. I do mean EXTREMELY rarely. And coco I believe you when you say you dont AR as a habit.

But damnit, what do people get out of doing it all the time?

Because believe me, there are those that do. I have seen it with my own eyes, by watching the Who's Online list.

They keep replying to me saying that it doesn't mean anything when they say that (resmods), then WHY SAY IT? is it to try to get us to feel sorry for you because you have such a horrific task to attend to? WHY?

My KINFOLK!

Isn't there a bit in the forum guidelines that says, "Furthermore, please do not post a 'why did my post get removed' post"? Seems to me the spirit of that might apply here. I wouldn't have commented on that, but I'm getting a bit annoyed, mostly because of the abusive tone of some of those posts. You know, calling someone a whiner, a baby, telling them to "be a man" or "grow a clit" or ranting at length with the inclusion of ALL CAPS really isn't polite, effective, or allowed here, even if they've committed the heinous crime of being a ResMod and moving a thread, or using the tools here to AR threads as the Lindens have asked them to do. Go kick your prim dog or something if you are unable to control your temper. Verbally abusing people isn't appropriate, and when you do it over something like a moved thread it makes me embarassed for you.

As far as I know I didn't call anyone a whiner or a baby or any other name. There is no rule against including some words in all caps. Nor is my post overly long. Don't waste your time being embarassed on my behalf. I don't feel I did anything wrong. I feel that threads are being moved to quickly and without regard to content or audience. Thanks for being the forum police but we already have resmods for that and they are doing a bang up job thank you very much. I realize that any critism is not allowed and voicing one's opinion against the hard working resmods who selflessly took on the job of moderating these forums is also not allowed.... in your mind that is because there's nothing that reads I cannot post dissenting opinions in the TOS.

And my temper is fine thank you very much. It is yours that seems a little out of whack.

Shush you Blue Morpho!

Perhaps, it just seems the rezmods are being overactive because the population has double in the past four months, thus that many more threads to moderate. Moreover, some posters here are complaining about the mods not being active enough, others complaining they are too active. Obviously, it's impossible to please everybody no matter what course of action or inaction the mods take.

yup.

This is all so tiresome.... more tiresome than a thread about the Bush guy.

Vivianne, I wasn't refering only to your post. I said "some of those posts." There is more than one thread about moved threads, as you have probably noticed.

I thought this bit of your post was not very nice:



It seems to me that you didn't understand the point of my previous post. Try reading over the above quote and consider how it would make you feel if someone said that to you.

I'm not, and I don't think other ResMods are displaying their power. Most moved DO belong where they're moved to. There are a SMALL number of threads which I can be on the fence about, and that is THE ONLY time the volume of reports will influence me.

Reports are very useful though, because they alert you to specific threads that need attention as well as forwarding you straight to the problem posts.

Part of it may be people just aren't used to it.. In the past, the Lindens themselves haven't been able to moderate to this extent.

To repeat myself (again) it can be a you're-damned-if-you-do-and-you're-damned-if-you-don't situation..

If we only move threads in the worst cases we are accused of being a waste of space, and told we ignore abuse reports etc..

If we move the threads we feel warrent moving we get accused of inconsistancy.

If we move ALL the threads we get accused of over moderation.

I'm aiming for inconsistancy, given those are the only options

eh ok you have a point. Sorry Resmods all .. I was pissed and didn't mean that last bit.

But really you have been all about the moving of the threads lately. And moving Perse's was just mean and probably cost a lot of entries in the box office scripting contest. That thing has been months in the planning, countless fundraisers were held to get the prize money together, lots of people donated a lot of time and money and we really tried hard to get the word out. But every time she posted in the scripters forum, it got moved to events. Scripters don't read the events forum. And no one who does read the events forum really cares about a scripting contest. And the FFRC would have used the script to benefit everyone who is now looking for ways to still put on events and not go broke doing it.

So, please, if you all would calm down a bit and not work against people trying to do good stuff for the world, it would be appreciated.

and sorry Kim for overreacting to your post.

While I'm sorry you feel it had this effect, its where the thread belonged. The classifieds is for advertising ANY kind of event. The discussion forums aren't.

They could apply for their own forum, and that can be used for what they see fit, and is moderated by set moderators.

Hahah

Vivianne, thank you for taking a second look and apologizing. You made me feel good about people.

I was thinking about the problem of how to get the word to scripters about a scripting contest. Some do read events (I forwarded a link to some scripters myself, too), but a lot of folks don't, it's true. Maybe next time something like this comes up, you could post about it in the Scripting Tips forum, not as a contest, but as a scripting problem? Like, break down the functionality into pieces and ask who's got something similar, or knows an approach to it? And then, you could mention this is related to a scripting contest, and to check your profile for a link to the contest info.

See this is what I mean. You COULD take a look at the content. You COULD work with people instead of against them. But instead, you fall back on 'well rules are rules and this is the way its supposed to be and we are going to enforce that by golly!'

No the thread didn't belong in classifieds -- not that it was moved there btw, it was moved to events discussion. So see? You can't even agree with your own actions. It was about scripting -- it was ALL about scripting -- there was no part of that post that was aimed at anyone other than scripters. Leeway could have been made. Obviously, as what you just said contradicts where you moved it to.

So yes I do feel that you are using your 'powers' unnecessarily. I do feel that you are setting up an atmosphere where it is the resmods against the rest of the posters. I do feel that you are not thinking about the intended effect of the post and, instead, relying on a set of rules that were, arguably, never meant to be inflexible or not be thought about.

If I were the only person complaining about this I might feel that I was in error. But I'm not. There's a fair amount of other people who feel as I do.

But isn't that passive agressive at best and disingenious at worst? I mean I could also post that 'hay does anyone know how to make a good box office script? oh and btw there's a contest about it and if you go to this thread here you can see the details'

That would certainly fall into the letter of the law of what the resmods feel is allowed in discussion groups. And if form is all that's required, well we can certainly provide that. But if you are seriously telling me that I have be passive agressive in order to follow the letter of the law and that the resmods on their part don't have to think and can just be automatons -- then I think there is something wrong with the system and that the resmods will not work out on down the road.

I wasn't the one who moved that thread, and dispite what some of you might think we're not some central mind database "as one"

The thread didn't belong in either of the scripting forums..

Scripting Tips is for:
Discuss techniques, ask questions about using Second Life scripting tools

Scripting Library is for:
Post scripts that you want to share

If it was a discussion about the events, it should go to Event Discussion. If its a announcement for an in world event, it belongs in special attractions.

That is the end of it, there would be a whole lot more uproar if we didn't move that and moved the others, just because it has a fan base, or people supporting it. We try to be consistant.

I'm not thinking about it from the viewpoint of somehow trying to get around the ResMods. I'm thinking of the scripters I know and how they reacted to the contest announcement.

The scripters I talked to weren't willing to enter. They said they were busy, and I know they can make more and surer money on other projects (programming for a living). However, they would have possibly helped out someone else trying to do it, especially if they could do just part of the project on an informal basis, sort of off the cuff, and if they had the time they might have done it out of community spirit. Mostly, the interest I was able to generate was in just solving it as an intriguing coding problem. Posing it as that, instead of as a contest, might have gotten some more scripters intrigued enough to be drawn into working on the project and entering the contest.

In my experience, although paying programmers is important, what really makes em geek for you is a cool challenge.

You know I'd agree with you if there wasn't often a post on the scripters forum bitching about how no one appreciates them and how they don't get paid enough for their work. So we put together a contest with a HUGE prize pot. Last I looked we had raised almost 50K for it -- and you say they thought it wasn't enough. And that they aren't interested in money.

I think they need to make up their minds.

**bbZzZzTTT***

(Audiences makes 'AWWWWW' sound)


We're so sorry, that is *not* the right answer. The forums you are referring to is the 'Scripting Tips' forums. The (enunciated slowly) Scripting Tips forum.

What's considered acceptable in a forum isn't based on the intended audience, it's the intended subject. Since the (enunciated) Scripting Tips forum's subject is - you guessed it - Scripting Tips, a thread about a scripters-oriented event would be in the wrong spot.

Just because a forum may contain your targeted audience does not give you free choice to override the stated purpose of the forum for your own personal whims. If you post about an event - regardless of the target audience - then the appropriate place for it is the events forum.

"I didn't post there because it wouldn't be seen as much there" is no excuse. Otherwise, I have a whole inventory full of vending machines I wanna drop willy-nilly in the welcome area, where there's lots of people to see them.


You *aaaare* the weakest link, bubye!


- Newfie