TOS and Forum/SL linkage

Actually, most people would consider you deranged, at least in this instance. While I'm humbled that you would consider it, there are two things that would keep me from this kind of involvement:

1. Unlike you, and despite my seeming moderate temperament, I have an unfortunately close relationship with my inner child, with a few very exposed buttons, any one of which - when pushed - can unleash a torrent of juvenile bile and plain nasty behavior. IOW, my restraint has limits, and I don't think the limit is high enough for me to sit in judgment, as it were, of others.

2. SL fell into my life at a fortunate juncture, but RL commitments are constantly in flux, and I could never - at least presently - guarantee that I would be able to devote the time necessary for such an important function.

Cheers for the thought,
Envoy
(currently on diplomatic deployment in realms unknown...)

Linden Labs believes that the behavior in-world and in-discussion reflect on eachother -- And I agree. The behavior you displace reflects on your moral appearance. If you troll and flame in the forums, you will be thought of those acts in-game. Think of it like a Job Application, you make a good impression, and act with manor and respect when applying for a job, and they will think you are a respectful and manored worker. If you arent mature enough to post in the forums, you arent mature enough to patrol SecondLife.
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Good Ideas! (Posting in the forum in-general)

1. Dont post about orbiting or greifing of any kind
   + (You will see lots of them)
   
2. Keep on-topic.
   +(Otherwise your thread gets Bumped or Locked)
   
3. Give the moderators and lindens respect
   +(Give EVERYONE respect aswell)
   
4. Dont flame other people
   +(Falls under respect)
   
5. Dont spam
   +(You wont just get banned, you'll be hated )
   

Those are good rules to follow on the forums in general. I dont suggest you disobey them

And inworld too -- You should never greif, you should show respect for lindens and others around you, and dont spam!!!! Basicly follow those and you wont get banned.

That is perfectly fine. However, I don't agree. Mr. or Ms. Opus, I can only assume you haven't read my posts carefully. I never espoused ill-tempered behaviour, or deliberate misuse of the forums. I thank you for your guidances, but I have been taking part in - and moderating! - online forums since before the dear old WWW.

I was speaking to a more high-level principle at work here, which seems to have been missed by a number of the correspondents. But I've gathered enough information at this point to get a clear understanding how things work, and work against you.

Be well,
EC

Many have offered. All have been ignored. Trust me on this... I've tried too.

Broccoli

So, what's the deal? "One Strife to rule them all"?

As ive said before. Its Linden Labs game. You either love it or you hate it and you cant change anything about it - so its best to cope with the faults or differances that come between you

Yes emphasis on this. YOu dont have to agree with what everyone does you just have to swallow it and digest it and get over it. There aer a lot of people that I dont agree with their methods, but the fact of the matter is its their dime.

The thing is if we were to release the forums to be run in the way that the original poster wanted it would take more then just a coupld of moderators to keep up. An entire team would have to be on 24 hours a day with what has occured here in the past. A few volunteer moderators its not really what would make the forums useable. I emphasize the word VOLUNTEER. I'm told Linden lab could afford to outsource their moderating but for some reason they aren't. This is fine as this too is their decision.

Again in actualy fact sl is on the sims not here so what you loose by not voicing whatever opinion you want here can be gained elsewhere if that is your cup of tea.

Me personally I'm nt a fan of 24 hours criticim of everything I pretty much absorb stuff and accept it as is. Maybe that makes me a "sheep" as I have been accused of this before. I dont think so though. IN the scheme of things when I compare the complaints about every little thing that is wrong with sl and this guy and that guy it means almost nothing. My real house and family are what matters. What I can and can't say on a forum are way down at the bottom of a list. I read the little rules and it says "do this" "dont do that" etc. and I follow them.

So the original poster is upset about what he is not allowed to do on a forum run by a company that he has decided to pay to use their tools. (that would be SL ingame etc). If he wants to complain about the other stuff that is not allowed here he is perfectly free to dig up a third party forum and complain about this stuff there.

Nothing is really lost as everyone basically has the ability to belong to any and all forums that relate to SL. Linden Labs for lack of a better way to say it removed the element he wants in these forums and said "here go to a third partry forum if you want to talk about this stuff". That is their decision to make and they made it. Thats where it ends and something regardless of how much he hates this decision he will have to decide to live with and he is welcome to go to the other forums and create yet another thread about what he doesn't like and others wil support it troll it flame it or whatever .. depending on how the forum is run. Its just not allowed here so that is that. No amount of complaints or expressions of injustice will change that.

As for the very last part, I just won't sit in judgement on you. But as far as having to read a lot of negative posts, please note the relative length of yours and mine. Maybe brevity is in order, because it can be just as onerous reading the same capitulating, fawning messages over and over as well.

I just hope that LL, or any of the moderators, don't do something you Really Really don't care for, because your only personal alternative is to curl up in a ball and die. I'll still come here for the occasional bit of information, but I'm quite disilllusioned with a once-visionary company.

Curl up in a little ball and die?

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Accept the things you cannot change; that isnt curling up into a little ball..

Joker, maybe in print that looks a little stronger than intended, maybe it is a colloquialism that doesn't translate too well across the pond. What I *do* often note in these forums is a characteristic that is the opposite of well-intentioned examination of problems - a willingness to put one's head in the sand (I'm hoping that, as well, isn't too strong).

What, for heaven's sake, ever became of the Loyal Opposition? (and that is a phrase from your turf, no?)

okay your an alt so why not just post on the main. You obviously have a bee in your bonnet over an issue. I'm just saying you dont have to like everything they do and no one does. If you think that me saying its happened its sort of working and we dont have to all like it is a bad thing this is fine. I just get totally well dumbfounded at the people who post and are obviously angry about an issue but try to shrowd it as a discussion.

I call em as I see em you dont like what i said, this is fine but I dont like everything other people say and if you dont like my posts no one says you have to read them.

I can also anticipate this discussion is driving you nuts Oh well if you dont want other people's opinions then don't post. Here is the thing nothing you say will change the minds of others on many issues they give you their opinion and its their opinion to have. If your here to try to change people's feelings on an issue then your in the wrong place. YOu made a statement and people answered and those are the answers.

Sorry to be so callous but what you want of posters is for them to agree with you. I'm sorry but I make up my own mind and dont let others make them up for me. This includes the length of posts

At this point this discussion is clearly non productive so I'm gone. You have a bone to pick with LL this is clear and your clearly hiding behind an alt due to some sort of fear. This alone speaks volumes

I wish you luck on your crusade unfortunately this particular crusade I wont be picking up the banner for because I dont agree with it and if you think I like everything that goes in here your sadly mistaken I do however recognize that if i start to really dislike things enough that I can leave and go elsewhere any time I wish. If yoru that upset stop paying them money or something as you are obviously miserable and worried enough to hide behind an alt

Have a nice life whichever path you choose to stay on

The banning in the forums and the game are also similair because when they ban you, they suspend your WHOLE account, not just your character. When you sign up for an account, you get access to the forums... So if your ACCOUNT gets suspended. All the perks go away too .....

DONT GET BANNED

I've got to go to jury duty today, so a full reply waits til later. But I just had to say this: now, Wilhelm, you've insulted me personally. I use no alts. I've been in SL since the beginning of the year, and post and live as only one person, Envoy Costagravas. For you to insinuate anything else is either mean-spirited or immature, I have no idea which.

I frankly don't care what kind of people posted here in the past, because I view each person as an individual. If you can't deal with me as I am, accept that someone might have differing viewpoints than your own, then it is hard to offer mutual respect.

This is me. These are my views. Deal with it.

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.



live by these words you life will be easier

if this is as you say then you were speaking in past tense and used a few Phrases that are not new and are almost coined sayings. In any event you speak as if you have years of experience in the game and have a past longer then your creation date of january 2007 now the game has not changed that much in 3 months

also as for insults try not telling people "see how you like it" and say things like "curl up and die" I will do neither

the botton line is well read this again it works and its a good thing to measure this by

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.


I just thought I would cut and paste this in here because sometimes stuff like this helps people to see perspective. The rules being made are non negotiable you can be upset all you like, but I learned many years ago when I was in my eary early 20's that getting upset and whatnot over things that just "are" is just a huge waste of energy better spent trying to affect change and progress in things that can be changed. I would not pick up this "crusade" simply because its not something that I think any amount of community can change, just like age verification and a few other things. One would call it a "sign of the times" in other words it just is.

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.


for emphasis

good day

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Ahh good man

Yes, Wilhelm, I have seen this for many years, and it is wise. And part of the phrase is having the wisdom. You think much of this issue is cast in stone; I may believe otherwise.


Is having life be easy the only way to live?


Is *what* as I say? Very unclear what you are referring to - not being an alt? or my views on punishment?


All that means, my good man (if your av/SL name applies), is that I have done a lot of reading, study, and investigation about SL, the entire culture surrounding it, the people and companies involved, and more attendant information. It was *your* assumption that is incorrect - either that I've been here a long time, and/or that I am using an alt. Neither is correct.


I realize I already explained my usage, but you are correct, especially if you were insulted. You have my apology. I hope you will do the same for me WRT claiming I was simply trolling with an alt.

That you personally don't care to attempt any changes, and are willing to put up with any changes made, or any past policies that might be implemented in a better fashion - that is your choice, plain and simple. I am not made the way you are. I accept many things in life that I can't change, but I'm not sure that these are immutable positions in SL. All one needs do is to have either been here from the start, or do a careful and detailed study of the history of SL, to see exactly how much *has* changed.

And if and when I pursue some of these aspects, I'll do my level best to do it in a respectful manner.

Regards,
EC

OK guys - lets not get critical -- this is a discussion thread, not for personal attacks.

Thanks, Joker, especially after my last reply contained an apology to W for any intended slight.

Mustve not read yours -- and sarcasm is rude....

First off, read the posts entirely and carefully before giving us instructions on how to behave. Secondly, just exactly *how* sanitized do you want discussions? I don't think telling me I am being rude is respectful, in light of the fact that you just missed my apology for the only possible perceived unkind words I've posted here.

So, Joker, be careful. Telling me that I'm rude might fall under the following: "... do not cross the line into personal attacks and insults because you will risk having your Second Life account suspended or banned." (from the Guidelines)

Because, as so many things, it is a judgment call. I hope I have been respectful in pointing out the previous information.

I appologize for being rude - and not reading the full post before replying.. However I think its time to get back on the subject