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Cristiano Midnight
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04-04-2006 06:48
From: Sally Rosebud
We are barely allowed to discuss that, without fear of the thread being locked or AR'd.


Ironic isn't it?
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04-04-2006 06:50
From: Dianne Mechanique
Marshall law only needs to be enforced when the mob gets out of hand. If these people would stop artificially whipping up anti-resmod sentiments every five minutes there would not be a need for authoritarian responses.


Yes, you people who protest should not be surprised when you bring down all the forces of law and order on your heads. You should take whatever is dished out, and think yourselves lucky.

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04-04-2006 06:59
From: Sally Rosebud
Besides being called a name or two by an obvious troll, where are these personal attacks? If a resmod is getting a little too overwhelmed, perhaps they should step back from the computer for a few minutes before posting.

I saw plenty of personal attacks yesterday. I had to take a break from the forum because some of them upset me so much. Someone answered a question posed on the resmod thread, and was leapt upon. Everything he said, everything was pulled apart, criticised, and then posted back to him.

It seems like if you are a resmod, you aren't allowed to post as a normal person, and you are held responsible not just for the resmod program but for representing the Linden party line too. If you show the slightest doubt or confusion about anything it is jumped on.

I agree with Diane that it seems to be a small minority of posters posting over and over again along the same lines. Maybe it is a similarly small group of people who are ARing all the threads. Dunno. It just seems like a nasty game to play.

And yeah, it seems like some people just don't get it. It can be uncomfortable and aggressive in here when you are just an ordinary poster, where people may notice one posting in 100 that you make. As a resmod, with every watching for you to stumble, I can understand why some of them have found it too much.

They weren't elected saints or angels, just resmods. They weren't given superpowers or ironclad knickers, they were given the ability to lock or move threads. If some of them have found it oppressive and onerous...well frankly I am not surprised. That seems to be the aim of a small group of posters.
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Vivianne Draper
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04-04-2006 08:54
So, basically, when its you or someone who is in favor of the ResMod program or otherwise related to one its ok if that person posts over and over. But if someone is against the resmod program its not ok.

Do I have that right?
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04-04-2006 09:09
Sheesh. You'd think that (edited) would have the (censored) enough to (edited) (revised) (censored) their (removed). When (concealed) starts to (edited) the (censored) (sterilized), you get (revised) (expurgated). (Censored) then (supressed) into the (bleeped) Metaverse.

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StoneSelf Karuna
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04-04-2006 09:40
From: Cocoanut Cookie
Martial law????

Authoritarian responses????

If just a few people would shut up, everything would be fine?

Goodness.

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Belaya Statosky
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04-04-2006 10:16
From: Cocoanut Cookie
Martial law????

Authoritarian responses????

If just a few people would shut up, everything would be fine?

Goodness.

coco


Ditto. <3 <3 <3
Dianne Mechanique
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04-04-2006 10:35
From: Belaya Statosky
Ditto. <3 <3 <3
Hey, it was just an example people, not my policy.

By quoting just those lines out of context you make it look like I am advocating it.

Several people on the thread were implying that LL was about to take draconian or authoritarian measures (drastic measures) in response to the "resmod hubub" and if they did, that this would be a kind of "over the top" reaction. (I agree actually).

All I was saying is that if not for the few "nasty nelllies" stirring up all this hatred against the resmods, they would not have to and that sometimes decisions like that have to be made because you have a lot of irresponsible people whipping the populace up into a frenzy over essentially nothing.

The only thing I said that was out of line at all was about the people "shutting up," but jeez did you guys read all that crap that was being spewed out yesterday??

Thread after thread of hate-filled nonsense and personal attacks all generated by a small handfull of people that don't IMO represent the majority of viewers at all.

Apologies for getting caught up in things and telling them that they should "shut up," ...
(but they should) :)
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04-04-2006 10:39
From: Dianne Mechanique
Apologies for getting caught up in things and telling them that they should "shut up," ...
(but they should) :)



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04-04-2006 10:42
From: Taco Rubio
And then the trains will run on time!
Damn straight! :mad:
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Belaya Statosky
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04-04-2006 10:49
From: Dianne Mechanique
Hey, it was just an example people, not my policy.

By quoting just those lines out of context you make it look like I am advocating it.

Several people on the thread were implying that LL was about to take draconian or authoritarian measures (drastic measures) in response to the "resmod hubub" and if they did, that this would be a kind of "over the top" reaction. (I agree actually).

All I was saying is that if not for the few "nasty nelllies" stirring up all this hatred against the resmods, they would not have to and that sometimes decisions like that have to be made because you have a lot of irresponsible people whipping the populace up into a frenzy over essentially nothing.

The only thing I said that was out of line at all was about the people "shutting up," but jeez did you guys read all that crap that was being spewed out yesterday??

Thread after thread of hate-filled nonsense and personal attacks all generated by a small handfull of people that don't IMO represent the majority of viewers at all.

Apologies for getting caught up in things and telling them that they should "shut up," ...
(but they should) :)


Just curious why you picked me out of the others who quoted that post similarly or actually replied to the person I was quoting. Anyway, this was one of the more calmer and friendlier posts I've seen from you and I agree with parts of it, so I'll try to respond accordingly:

I'm not sure I'd describe all the criticism lately as 'hate-filled', honestly. Some people are not doing a very good job of presenting their side, both for and against. I'd even say some don't really care and just like fighting for the sake of it. I've been watching these threads for reasons I can't even fathom anymore and during the last few days I've seen you reply rather curtly yourself towards those who were simply being critical instead of being a total shit-stirrer.

Is there room to be critical at all, in your opinion or should everyone just give up pointing anything out? That's sorta what it comes down to and why I found Coco's post worth quoting and agreeing with. From what I've seen, it seems like the answer is 'no, there's no room for it'.

I actually had a good experience the one and only time I ever pointed out something I thought was fucked up, actually within the last few days. Torley agreed and Steve did as well and apologized and that's actually more than I expected. However, it certainly was a criticism. I'd like to think there's room for that when it's seen.

I'm not trying to stuff words in your mouth here, so feel free to express where you actually stand on this.
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04-04-2006 11:31
Just because several people are dissatisfied with the ResMod program and say it, and possibly cite examples (like giving a reason for closing a thread when none of those reasons were actually in that thread), does not make them shit-stirrers. I didn't really care one way or the other when this program started, it just seems to get worse as time goes by.
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Taco Rubio
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04-04-2006 11:45
I agree with 100% with Sally. Us shit-stirrers are doing all sorts of other creative and destructive things that have nothing at all to do with the resmod program.
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04-04-2006 11:53
From: Taco Rubio
I agree with 100% with Sally. Us shit-stirrers are doing all sorts of other creative and destructive things that have nothing at all to do with the resmod program.


Yes, I know of one of those projects, and while it is creative, it is yet to be seen if it is destructive... :D
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Dianne Mechanique
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04-04-2006 11:54
From: Belaya Statosky
Just curious why you picked me out of the others who quoted that post similarly or actually replied to the person I was quoting. Anyway, this was one of the more calmer and friendlier posts I've seen from you and I agree with parts of it, so I'll try to respond accordingly:

I'm not sure I'd describe all the criticism lately as 'hate-filled', honestly. Some people are not doing a very good job of presenting their side, both for and against. I'd even say some don't really care and just like fighting for the sake of it. I've been watching these threads for reasons I can't even fathom anymore and during the last few days I've seen you reply rather curtly yourself towards those who were simply being critical instead of being a total shit-stirrer.

Is there room to be critical at all, in your opinion or should everyone just give up pointing anything out? That's sorta what it comes down to and why I found Coco's post worth quoting and agreeing with. From what I've seen, it seems like the answer is 'no, there's no room for it'.

I actually had a good experience the one and only time I ever pointed out something I thought was fucked up, actually within the last few days. Torley agreed and Steve did as well and apologized and that's actually more than I expected. However, it certainly was a criticism. I'd like to think there's room for that when it's seen.

I'm not trying to stuff words in your mouth here, so feel free to express where you actually stand on this.
Eh, I picked your post for no reason.

I have a kind of bad habit of "replying on the end" of a thread (to things that have happened in the entire thread) but leaving the quoted post previously made. This used to be standard form many many years ago and I realise it isn't anymore, but I have a hard time remembering. Sorry.

Yesterday, there were threads being made literally every few minutes and (IMO) they were totally "hate-filled." Several other people commented along the same lines. (to the effect that a few people that didn't represent the majority were kind of flooding the forums with all the anti-resmod crap), so I know it's not my opinion alone.

I got a bit upset probably because of the very personal nature of some of it and the fact that no matter how many times people posted that they were not interested in hearing about it (basically more polite variations on my suggestion to "shut up";), the threads kept coming. It reminded me of when a kid has a tantrum and the more you try to quiet them down they just scream and jump even louder. It was juvenile (again IMO), and several of the threads were closed (rightfully so).

I also got upset because several of the threads got very personal. One resmod in particular was pretty much "jumped on by the mob" (again IMO), when most of the "mob" doing the jumping are not fit to shine his shoes in terms of being a decent upstanding sort of human. (again IMO).

As I said in a post yesterday, most of the resmods that I know personally are excellent intelligent helpful people who are doing their best to "help out" as an altruistic gesture to the community, and to see them jumped all over by a bunch of (again in IMO) "whiny babies" with no agenda other than disruption or "poor me" was a lot to take.

When people started talking about the veiled hint or rumour that drastic measures might have to be taken because of all the anti-resmod sentiment, and then actually *blaming* LL for even thinking about it, (when it is entirely their behaviour that is at fault IMO), I found this very hard to take indeed. To me, this is like vandalising a store every day for weeks and then taking legal action against the owner when she finally bars you from the premises.

"I had all I can stanz til I can't stanz no more," (I suppose), and as a result I crossed the line and told them they should "shut up."

I already apologised for that, but (again IMO) I don't feel particularly guillty about it. Most of the people I was upset at, have said far worse to me or to others on this forum, far worse than anything I have ever said as a matter of fact.

Now this all has been roundly misinterpreted as me thinking that people should be "silenced" or something, but I haven't figured out why any one would think that yet. So when I figure out what it was that I said that made people wrongly percieve *that* part of the message, I will let you know and apologise again I guess.

I don't think anyone should be silenced. In fact I am in favour of no moderation at all, (I always have been) but that isn't going to happen. What *is* happening is the resmod program, and if you filter out five or so angry complainers, it really is proceding rather well. Much better than I would have thought when it was instituted. To me, it's a "battle" that is over, and while I don't want to silence anyones valid criticism, constantly railing against it in a juvenile fashion with no constructive alternative given or in sight is counterproductive at best.

Is it fair to note in passing that not one single person that was throwing around the insults and crap yesterday *besides* myself has apologised at all? :rolleyes:

I will allow one thing that perhaps hadn't occured to me at the time however, which is that your perception of me seems to be quite out of line with what I am actually like. If this is true, then it's possible that I was doing a little projection of my own, but I dont think so as I feel quite familiar with some of these "voices" on the foum having posted here so copiously and for so long.

In RL and in person in SL, I am told over an over how I am "too nice" and let people walk on me and get the better of me all the time. I "volounteer for too many things," "give away too many freebies" and generally spend "too much time not working for my best interests." (those are all actual quotes from people I know)

If (as it seems), a smart person like you seems to think I am some kind of harpie that rarely makes a non-angry or friendly post then it's possible that the "whiny babies" are actually not so bad when you meet them. I don't actually think so right now, but it's possible I guess.
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04-04-2006 11:55
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04-04-2006 11:58
From: Lecktor Hannibal
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04-04-2006 17:47
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don't think anyone should be silenced. In fact I am in favour of no moderation at all, (I always have been) but that isn't going to happen. What *is* happening is the resmod program, and if you filter out five or so angry complainers, it really is proceding rather well. Much better than I would have thought when it was instituted. To me, it's a "battle" that is over, and while I don't want to silence anyones valid criticism, constantly railing against it in a juvenile fashion with no constructive alternative given or in sight is counterproductive at best.

Is it fair to note in passing that not one single person that was throwing around the insults and crap yesterday *besides* myself has apologised at all? :rolleyes:



Oh this is hilarious. You seem oblivious to my previous multiple suggestions..and even the suggestions within this thread. Hiring interns..a full time forum mod linden...getting rid of the nonlinden modersted forums..

ALL have been made and you seem oblivious. No reason for me to apologize for truths too..I may as well apologize to Zap for responding to resmods unevenly applying their moderations. No, I, like Mulch, did not make the first move or jab. Mulch has already proven Zap a liar..with actual unbiased evidence. So no, this isn't a personal attack, no personal attack in sight... Except perhaps from Zap...
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