I'm getting a feeling ...

That very soon any disagreements with, or negative comments about, the resmod program, and certainly the resmods themselves, will automatically be considered trolling. Thread locked and poster AR'ed.

I'd love to give a link to the post that makes me think this .. but it's in a locked thread, and therefor would be abuse, I'd alos like to say the name of the resmod who wrote the post I'm referring to ... but that would be naming names and therefor abuse.

Perhaps it would be easier if the resmods made a list of pre-apporved topics .... ?

i saw that, really dangerous in that no names were named and it was in resmod forum when it was locked

a dangerous precedent has been set by [redacted]

Yup, that's about what I saw too! It's a sad, sad day...

Was it this statement?

You know we can't confirm or deny that....

Maybe if the five or six [redacted] that were going on and on and on about the resmods would keep it to themselves, the resmods would not feel so assailed that they would have to resort to thinking about stuff like that.

IMO all the controversy and all the problems are being generated by this one small group of people. If they just shut up for like .. a second... everything would be fine.

A lot of people are getting seriously tired of this anti-resmod bullsh*t. I have talked to quite a few people lately who were initially against the idea and now see who the real problem is. It's not constructive, and there is never any alternative given, just nag nag nag. Jeez! Give it a rest.

Marshall law only needs to be enforced when the mob gets out of hand. If these people would stop artificially whipping up anti-resmod sentiments every five minutes there would not be a need for authoritarian responses.

hence, the problem

you really think this is gonna fly in Your World, Your Imagination?

Ummm, despite any trolling or flaming, a resmod should be able to keep thier cool. That's what that thread we might or might not be talking about, was saying. Resmods should NOT be yelling at residents, despite what the resident does. If a resmod is unable to do that, they should not be a resmod. Period. If we have to live with resmods, they should be fair and consistant, and calm and collected. I mean, look at [edited], yeah, he may be a little quick to move some threads, but he hasn't yelled at anybody yet.

This is all true, but you forget that resmods are actually just people, not super-people. I'd like to see you try to do the job while being poked with a stick every five seconds by hordes of whiny babies.

The resmods that I have met or know personally are exactly the kind of level-headed wonderfully controlled people you talk about, in fact that's probably why they were chosen for the most part. No one is perfect though, and they are pretty much under heavy attack these last few days.

The one that's under the most attack lately is in fact a great happy guy who normally lets things just roll of his back and I find all the attacks kind of merciless and pretty cowardly myself.

I hesitate to say yes for fear of my subscription.

Ok, so if we expect them to be then we should also be fair and consistent and calm and collected. In other words maybe think back to an old rule we were (hopefully) all taught as children.... "Treat others as you wish to be treated." (paraphrasing)

If we don't well then we're expecting them to do more than we are willing to do ourselves.

Besides being called a name or two by an obvious troll, where are these personal attacks? If a resmod is getting a little too overwhelmed, perhaps they should step back from the computer for a few minutes before posting.

I guess it gives me the jimmyjams because lets say a resmod takes offense to something, and locks the thread.

Now .. if anyone complains, the resmods can take action because, as stated elsewhere by the resmods, it's a violation of the forum rules to complain about the enforcement of the forum rules.

I just can't get my head wrapped around that one.

It's a violation of the forum rules to complain about any enforcement of the forum rules.

Sorry folks, but that smells too much of police state.

Fade in : A street in anytown USA. Some people are walking down the sidewalk, going about their day. One guy is standing on a corner on a soapbox complaining about how things are run in the country these days.

A police car comes to a shrieking stop in front on the man on a soapbox. They grab him yelling "You're under arrest!"

A passerby says, "Hey, what are you arresting him for? He was just speaking his mind! That's wrong!"

The police turn to the second man and yell "You're under arrest too!!"

fade out ...

are people honestly going to agree with this behavior?

That's a nice thought, unfortunately, it is most likely not going to happen in this forum. Even though the resmods are not paid, they are representing LL. I haven't ever seen a LL employee yell at a resident on the forums.

Well I haven't yet seen any resmod lose their cool and then not apologize for it. We all lose it every now and then. But yes this is why IMO it's better to hire and pay an employee rather than having the customers providing thier own service.

I feel for the resmods, the greeters, the mentors.... People volunteer their time and energy with a desire to help. They make mistakes like any one else but perhaps we should be even KINDER to them than we would a paid employee simply because they are doing what they do only out of the goodness of their hearts.

Volunteerism in the forums was a nice thought, but it seems to be more painful than it's worth.

Thank you Dianne and Allana. I generally don't go into the "bit*h" threads. I am not interesting in hearing people whine and complain about things that really aren't that darn important. For gosh sakes people, this is a GAME. You are supposed to be having FUN. Why come here if it isn’t enjoyable? I try to be nice to everyone I meet. I would like people to be nice in return.

I am a volunteer. This is the volunteer’s forums. It is supposed to be for an exchange of ideas and information. It is also a way for a lost newbie to maybe reach one of us and get help. I deeply resent people coming in here and trash talking garbage. You have forums for that. Please go there and bi*ch to yourselves about how horrible SecondLife and the Lindens are. I don’t want to hear it. I would like to enjoy SecondLife. Some of you are making it hard for me to do. I have as much right to an informative constructive forum as you do to your gripe forums.

I made a simple post this morning in empathy to a fellow volunteer. I know how little respect Mentors and Greeter can get in-world or how horrible Live Help is, if they can’t answer your question with in two nano-seconds. I have worked the Welcome Areas and Help Island. So, I tried to support him.

So what happens, it is turned into an attack on all ResMods and by extension, all volunteers. I know you have a right to come here and complain and that I can’t stop you. But, I wish you would take your gripes and go elsewhere. I am tired of it.

Jen

It only gets turned into an attack on resmods themselves by 2 groups.

1. ignorant people who attack individuals rather than the shoddy program

2. Those trying to cloud the issue.

I have no problem with the resmods themselves, only the program, which has been proven a failure. Many who were initially for it have turned agaisnt it.

I think some moderation is necessary. Someone has to slap down the trollers and flamers.... joking .

No but really moderation is necessary only because occasionally things do need to be moved into more appropriate places or people need to be told they are about to cross the line in their comments. In fact I could be wrong but I believe most forums online have someone moderating them even if they are doing it silently.

I just think having citizens monitoring other citizens is making the problem worse rather than better and turning people against each other.

So for the record, I am FOR some sort of moderation but I am AGAINST citizen volunteers doing it.... I think volunteerism needs to be reserved for in world activities.

Jen, just a little background. It was the Linden moderators who created this forum, and deemed that we couldn't discuss moderation except inside this forum.

I griped about it, saying among other things that it was a forum FOR the resmods, and it would demoralizing for us to come in here to complain about the forum moderation in their own forum.

But - it is what we were forced to do. We are not allowed to discuss forum moderation, or the resmod program, except in here. We don't have forums for that, there is no place else to go - because that is the rule they made.

I also raised the possibility that after having insisted all the discussion take place in this forum only, next they would announce that it was too demoralizing for the resmods to have complaints in this forum, and so we weren't to discuss it at all.

coco

Martial law????

Authoritarian responses????

If just a few people would shut up, everything would be fine?

Goodness.

coco

Thanks for the history lesson, Coco.

Guess you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. I just wish it wasn't in the volunteers section. I guess, I will just stay out of here, regardless how badly I feel for someone.

Jen

How do you get this is an attack on all volunteers. It's simply many threads questioning ResMods, no other volunteer groups. These volunteers should be held to a higher standard...like not yelling at other residents when you are doing your volunteer work... that would be a start. I know all the resmods are human. If they are getting that worked up about something, I suggest they take a deep breath and think about what they post before they post it. Is it really that hard to understand?

We are barely allowed to discuss that, without fear of the thread being locked or AR'd.

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Heller wrote about this much better than I.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who reacted that way.