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Vinci Calamari
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Join date: 27 Feb 2006
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05-17-2006 06:41
From: ninjafoo Ng
Neither is polluting threads with pointless distro squabbling. Really, did you have to dig up a post from over 2 weeks ago just to add your 2L when its clear for all to see the conversation has moved on.


Your argumentation is called "argumentation ad hominem" (see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem). This means that you do not contribute arguments yourself but instead but instead attacking contributors like me. I am not attacking you or anybody else if I would not have to defend myself if I am attacked as a person.

I have made some clear points. I am not reading this forum all day. i responded to repeatedly false advertisement of "Ubuntu is easy and for newcomers". In fact this newcomer now faces the problems that are common under Ubuntu. I have made clear that i see some benefits in Ubuntu but do also have arguments again that I will continue to post as long as ppl recommend Ubuntu as the best solution ever for newbies. Because that leads to Newbies to install Ubuntu to finally realize that it is not that easy. I am talking about my experience. Strangely enough ppl continue to make the same experiences (because they are based on facts not on fiction).

I would also not recommend ppl to use unstable versions of Debian. And I think it makes no sense that you instead of giving argument continue to attack me agressively and personally for months. You critisize me for not being positive but you did not provide any arguments that will help.

The thing on this forum is: Newcomers that are good will read the posts and may think the really Ubuntu Kubuntu is the only way if nobody else guives a second opinion. Why on earth is it bad to give a second opinion about distros? I have installed Ubuntu three times for newbies (instead of Fedora) but will not do so again. This are my experiences. How often did you install Ubuntu?

Vinci
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Vinci Calamari
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Join date: 27 Feb 2006
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05-17-2006 07:00
From: ninjafoo Ng
Neither is polluting threads with pointless distro squabbling. Really, did you have to dig up a post from over 2 weeks ago just to add your 2L when its clear for all to see the conversation has moved on.


Your argumentation is called "argumentation ad hominem" (see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem). This means that you do not contribute arguments yourself but instead but instead attacking contributors like me. I am not attacking you or anybody else if I would not have to defend myself if I am attacked as a person.

I have made some clear points. I am not reading this forum all day. i responded to repeatedly false advertisement of "Ubuntu is easy and for newcomers". In fact this newcomer now faces the problems that are common under Ubuntu. I have made clear that i see some benefits in Ubuntu but do also have arguments again that I will continue to post as long as ppl recommend Ubuntu as the best solution ever for newbies. Because that leads to newbies to install Ubuntu to finally realize that it is not that easy. I am talking about my experience. Strangely enough ppl continue to make the same experiences (because they are based on facts not on fiction).

I would also not recommend ppl to use unstable versions of Debian. And I think it makes no sense that you instead of giving argument continue to attack me agressively and personally for months. You critisize me for not being positive but you did not provide any arguments that will help.

The thing on this forum is: Newcomers that are good will read the posts and may think the really Ubuntu Kubuntu is the only way if nobody else guives a second opinion. Why on earth is it bad to give a second opinion about distros? I have installed Ubuntu three times for newbies (instead of Fedora) but will not do so again. This are my experiences. How often did you install Ubuntu?

Vinci
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Zi Ree
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05-17-2006 07:04
Please discuss "Pro or Contra (K)Ubuntu" in a separate thread. This thread is for this user's particular problem.
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ninjafoo Ng
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05-17-2006 07:05
From: Vinci Calamari
Your argumentation is called "argumentation ad hominem" (see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem). This means that you do not contribute arguments yourself but instead but instead attacking contributors like me.


WTF?? This isn't an argument, this is a discussion to help Llauren Mandelbrot get SL running (and in the process help other users in the future with similar problems). I don't even care how you think you have contributed anything to this thread, if you want to argue about anything, please start a thread in the provided Sandbox forums.
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Theora Aquitaine
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Join date: 12 Feb 2006
Posts: 266
05-17-2006 08:22
Here is the full info on installing the latest nvidia driver in (K)Ubuntu:

http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_Nvidia_Dapper
Llauren Mandelbrot
Twenty-Four Weeks Old.
Join date: 26 Apr 2006
Posts: 665
05-17-2006 09:06
From: Theora Aquitaine
apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-headers nvidia-settings
llauren@Mandelbrot:~$ apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-headers nvidia-settings
E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
E: Unable to lock the list directory
llauren@Mandelbrot:~$ sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-headers nvidia-settings
Password:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-headers
llauren@Mandelbrot:~$
From: Theora Aquitaine


sudo nvidia-glx-config enable

Should do it.. then:

Check your xorg.conf file (/etc/X11/xorg.conf) to make sure that DefaultDepth is set to 24.
Like I tell Vinci below, I checked this before posting the log.:D
From: Theora Aquitaine

apt-get install nano

then sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf

find the DefaultDepth line and make sure it is 24.

ctrl-alt-backspace (to reload X)

Then it should (hopefully) work.
Didn`t quite. Did I do something wrong?

Toodle-oo!
Llauren Mandelbrot
Twenty-Four Weeks Old.
Join date: 26 Apr 2006
Posts: 665
05-17-2006 09:15
From: Vinci Calamari
[....]

The thing on this forum is: Newcomers that are good will read the posts and may think the really Ubuntu Kubuntu is the only way if nobody else guives a second opinion. Why on earth is it bad to give a second opinion about distros? I have installed Ubuntu three times for newbies (instead of Fedora) but will not do so again. This are my experiences. How often did you install Ubuntu?

Vinci
Come on everybody! I appreciate that y`all`re tryin` ta help --really, I do!-- but KUbubtu is already installed, and I need to move on. Arguing in this thread about which version is better is no longer useful: The deed is done.

Arguing that Vinci shouldn`t have posted here isn`t useful either. His/her point of view seems to be valid. The only real problem I have with it is that it is too belated to help me.

So please, let`s just drop it --both sides!-- and concentrate on the problem at hand, shall we?
Llauren Mandelbrot
Twenty-Four Weeks Old.
Join date: 26 Apr 2006
Posts: 665
Huh? Whose home page? Fred`s?
05-17-2006 09:26
From: Zi Ree
If this is the case, try setting up the driver following the NVIDIA readme on the home page and then running "switch2nvidia" on the command prompt. This will patch your xorg.conf to use the new driver. Reverting back to the open source driver can be done by using "switch2nv".
I`m sorry; just whose "Home Page" are you talking about? Are you perchance refering to the official NVidia Welcome page? At any rate, what is the Uniform Resource Locator for this page?

Toodle-oo!
Llauren Mandelbrot
Twenty-Four Weeks Old.
Join date: 26 Apr 2006
Posts: 665
Already checked that....
05-17-2006 09:32
From: Vinci Calamari
The problem is that with Kubuntu you will have to edit the graphical settings by hand. So you would have to learn xorg.conf (in /etc/X11) configuration. As I just wrote earlier: (K)Ubuntu is not userfriendly.

Vinci
I had already checked that file before posting, and th e color depth was set correctly. Check again, please; I think that you`ll find that the log indicates driver issues, and I would like this confirmed or refuted, if possible. Thanks!

Toodle-oo!
Theora Aquitaine
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Join date: 12 Feb 2006
Posts: 266
05-17-2006 11:29
From: Llauren Mandelbrot
llauren@Mandelbrot:~$ apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-headers nvidia-settings
E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
E: Unable to lock the list directory
llauren@Mandelbrot:~$ sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-headers nvidia-settings
Password:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-headers
llauren@Mandelbrot:~$
Like I tell Vinci below, I checked this before posting the log.:DDidn`t quite. Did I do something wrong?

Toodle-oo!


Look at my later link.. I think my first advice was slightly out of date (I don't use Ubuntu or Kubuntu so I can't try it out for myself).

Make sure you have both the Universe and Multiverse repositories enabled.

do:

sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_backup
sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list

and uncomment (remove #) from the universe and multiverse lines.

sudo apt-get update

Then.. here are the commands:
sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`

(note those single inverted commas are back sloping ones (i.e. on my keyboard they are on the top left just under escape). You could alternatively type uname -r on the command line and use the output from that as the last part of the linux-restricted-modules-***

then:

sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
sudo nvidia-xconfig

then ctrl-alt-backspace
Llauren Mandelbrot
Twenty-Four Weeks Old.
Join date: 26 Apr 2006
Posts: 665
Almost!
05-17-2006 11:45
From: Theora Aquitaine
Look at my later link.. I think my first advice was slightly out of date (I don't use Ubuntu or Kubuntu so I can't try it out for myself).

Make sure you have both the Universe and Multiverse repositories enabled.

do:

sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_backup
sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list

and uncomment (remove #) from the universe and multiverse lines.

sudo apt-get update

Then.. here are the commands:
sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`

(note those single inverted commas are back sloping ones (i.e. on my keyboard they are on the top left just under escape). You could alternatively type uname -r on the command line and use the output from that as the last part of the linux-restricted-modules-***

then:

sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
sudo nvidia-xconfig

then ctrl-alt-backspace
CODE

   llauren@Mandelbrot:~$ sudo su root
     Password:
     root@Mandelbrot:/home/llauren# cp /etc/ap
     apm/ apt/
     root@Mandelbrot:/home/llauren# cp /etc/ap
      apm/ apt/
     root@Mandelbrot:/home/llauren# cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_backup
     root@Mandelbrot:/home/llauren# vi /etc/apt/sources.list
     root@Mandelbrot:/home/llauren# apt-get update
     Get:1 http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security Release.gpg [189B]
     Get:2 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy Release.gpg [189B]
     Get:3 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates Release.gpg [189B]
     Get:4 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-backports Release.gpg [189B]
     Get:5 http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security Release [27.0kB]
     Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy Release
     Get:6 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates Release [30.9kB]
     Get:7 http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security/main Packages [60.2kB]
     Get:8 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-backports Release [19.6kB]
     Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages
     Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/restricted Packages
     Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Sources
     Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/restricted Sources
     Get:9 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages [2304kB]
     Get:10 http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security/restricted Packages [4458B]
     Get:11 http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security/main Sources [17.3kB]
     Get:12 http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security/restricted Sources [960B]
     Get:13 http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security/universe Packages [35.0kB]
     Get:14 http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security/universe Sources [5007B]
     Get:15 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Sources [915kB]
     Get:16 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates/main Packages [39.0kB]
     Get:17 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates/restricted Packages [14B]
     Get:18 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates/main Sources [18.6kB]
     Get:19 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates/restricted Sources [14B]
     Get:20 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-backports/main Packages [14.0kB]
     Get:21 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-backports/restricted Packages [14B]
     Get:22 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-backports/universe Packages [26.1kB]
     Get:23 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-backports/multiverse Packages [1353B]
     Get:24 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-backports/main Sources [5185B]
     Get:25 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-backports/restricted Sources [14B]
     Get:26 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-backports/universe Sources [10.2kB]
     Get:27 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-backports/multiverse Sources [701B]
     Fetched 3535kB in 1m30s (39.3kB/s)
     Reading package lists... Done
     root@Mandelbrot:/home/llauren# uname -r
     2.6.12-9-386
     root@Mandelbrot:/home/llauren# apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
     Reading package lists... Done
     Building dependency tree... Done
     linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-9-386 is already the newest version.
     Suggested packages:
       nvidia-settings nvidia-kernel-source
     The following NEW packages will be installed:
       nvidia-glx
     0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 177 not upgraded.
     Need to get 3085kB of archives.
     After unpacking 10.3MB of additional disk space will be used.
     Get:1 http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security/restricted nvidia-glx 1.0.7667-0ubuntu25.1 [3085kB]
     Fetched 3085kB in 1m18s (39.5kB/s)
     
     Preconfiguring packages ...
     Selecting previously deselected package nvidia-glx.
     (Reading database ... 58446 files and directories currently installed.)
     Unpacking nvidia-glx (from .../nvidia-glx_1.0.7667-0ubuntu25.1_i386.deb) ...
     Setting up nvidia-glx (1.0.7667-0ubuntu25.1) ...
     Creating NVIDIA TLS links... done.
     
     root@Mandelbrot:/home/llauren# nvidia-xconfig
     bash: nvidia-xconfig: command not found
     root@Mandelbrot:/home/llauren#
What did I miss?

Toodle-oo!
Theora Aquitaine
Registered User
Join date: 12 Feb 2006
Posts: 266
05-17-2006 12:03
I see you got root

and you are a fellow vi user!

try sudo apt-get install nvidia-xconfig

then sudo nvidia-xconfig

or alternatively edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change Device to read "nvidia" rather than nv
Llauren Mandelbrot
Twenty-Four Weeks Old.
Join date: 26 Apr 2006
Posts: 665
Gettin` There!
05-17-2006 12:29
From: Theora Aquitaine
I see you got root
A simple mattah of thinkin` "1+1==10" instead of "1+1==2"!:D
From: Theora Aquitaine
and you are a fellow vi user!
Not really; Ah jes` dislikes it less than th` others Ah`ve tried.:p
From: Theora Aquitaine
try sudo apt-get install nvidia-xconfig
root@Mandelbrot:/home/llauren# apt-get install nvidia-xconfig
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
E: Couldn't find package nvidia-xconfig
root@Mandelbrot:/home/llauren#
From: Theora Aquitaine
then sudo nvidia-xconfig
Don`t think it`ll work jes` yet.
From: Theora Aquitaine
or alternatively edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change Device to read "nvidia" rather than nv
Done. Now ta see iffn it works...
Llauren Mandelbrot
Twenty-Four Weeks Old.
Join date: 26 Apr 2006
Posts: 665
Yessssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
05-17-2006 12:34
The Program is running!
...now to see if I can log in...
Llauren Mandelbrot
Twenty-Four Weeks Old.
Join date: 26 Apr 2006
Posts: 665
05-17-2006 12:42
Ah`m in!
Instant-Message me!

YAY!
Toodle-oo!
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