I'm trying to get second life to work on my computer but i've looked all around and found problems with secondlife on my distro. I don't really use this computer for much execpt for blender3d, internet surfing, and IM. So i'm willing to install other distro as long as it allow me to do all those plus second life.
I also don't want to have a distro that require me to do many things in Terminal yet since i'm still a big newbie with linux.
AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2800+
MHz : 1601.340
cache size : 256 KB
I'm using ATI Radeon 9550
and have 512 MB ram
Right now i have mandriva 2006 (from a linux format special)(notes to other mandriva 2006 user: everything from the CD is installed)
P.S. since i've said i'm a newbie i might have left out some useful info so please ask for it and explain how to get those infos!
i also got near to no vital files on my computer (what a great stress avoider! ;-P ) it all on my 64mb usb stick i bought a looong time ago for $11 so no worries there.
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03-24-2006 08:50
I also don't want to have a distro that require me to do many things in Terminal yet since i'm still a big newbie with linux. Well I run Gentoo, so thats out  Have a look a at either of these (essentially same, one is kde flavoured, the other is gnome) http://www.kubuntu.org/ http://www.ubuntu.com/ _____________________
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03-24-2006 09:03
I second Ubuntu/Kubuntu. Get out of RPM hell that's with Mandriva/Redhat/Fedora.
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03-24-2006 09:33
just installed ubuntu now. still seems to be having same problems.
2006-03-24T17:24:06Z WARNING: LLDir_Linux not fully implemented! 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: Checking marker file for lock... 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: Marker file isn't locked. 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: Checking marker file for lock... 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: Marker file created. 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: Removing message.log 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: Exiting init_marker_file(). 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: Opening debug file /home/jeffery/Desktop/SecondLife_1_9_0_17/SecondLife/logs/debug_info.log 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: Second Life version 1.9.0 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: Local time: 2006-03-24T12:24:06 EST 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: CPU info: 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z processor : 0 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 15 model : 28 model name : AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2800+ stepping : 0 cpu MHz : 1601.331 cache size : 256 KB fdiv_bug : no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug : no coma_bug : no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 1 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 pni syscall nx mmxext lm 3dnowext 3dnow bogomips : 3162.11 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: Memory info: 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z MemTotal: 515868 kB MemFree: 10684 kB Buffers: 57172 kB Cached: 278880 kB SwapCached: 76 kB Active: 276208 kB Inactive: 158452 kB HighTotal: 0 kB HighFree: 0 kB LowTotal: 515868 kB LowFree: 10684 kB SwapTotal: 1510068 kB SwapFree: 1507312 kB Dirty: 36032 kB Writeback: 0 kB Mapped: 155912 kB Slab: 62996 kB CommitLimit: 1768000 kB Committed_AS: 248376 kB PageTables: 1484 kB VmallocTotal: 516016 kB VmallocUsed: 4700 kB VmallocChunk: 511204 kB 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: OS info: Linux 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: Loading feature tables. 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: QUEUED THREAD STARTING 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: Using configuration file /home/jeffery/Desktop/SecondLife_1_9_0_17/SecondLife/user_settings/settings.ini 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: LLControlGroup::loadFromFile unable to open. 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: LLControlGroup::loadFromFile unable to open. 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: Loading art table from viewerart.ini 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: Loading base colors from colors_base.ini 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: Loading user colors from colors.ini 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: Default vfs data file not present, found /home/jeffery/Desktop/SecondLife_1_9_0_17/SecondLife/cache/. 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: Old salt: 1 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z WARNING: Bad or missing vfx index file /home/jeffery/Desktop/SecondLife_1_9_0_17/SecondLife/cache/index.db2.x.1 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z WARNING: Removing old vfs data file /home/jeffery/Desktop/SecondLife_1_9_0_17/SecondLife/cache/. 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: Renaming /home/jeffery/Desktop/SecondLife_1_9_0_17/SecondLife/cache/. to /home/jeffery/Desktop/SecondLife_1_9_0_17/SecondLife/cache/data.db2.x.1501657964 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: Renaming /home/jeffery/Desktop/SecondLife_1_9_0_17/SecondLife/cache/index.db2.x.1 to /home/jeffery/Desktop/SecondLife_1_9_0_17/SecondLife/cache/index.db2.x.1501657964 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: Pre-sized VFS data file to 524288000 bytes 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: VFS: Using index file /home/jeffery/Desktop/SecondLife_1_9_0_17/SecondLife/cache/index.db2.x.1501657964 and data file /home/jeffery/Desktop/SecondLife_1_9_0_17/SecondLife/cache/data.db2.x.1501657964 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: QUEUED THREAD STARTING LLErrorStream::crashOnError() failed to get mutex for log 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: VFS: Using index file /home/jeffery/Desktop/SecondLife_1_9_0_17/app_settings/static_index.db2 and data file /home/jeffery/Desktop/SecondLife_1_9_0_17/app_settings/static_data.db2 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: Initializing window... 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: createContext: creating window 800x600x32 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: createContext: window creation failure. SDL: Couldn't find matching GLX visual 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: Unloading all GL symbols... 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z WARNING: OSMessageBox: Window creation error 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: Unloading all GL symbols... 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z WARNING: LLWindowManager::create() : Error creating window. 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z WARNING: Unable to create window, be sure screen is set at 32-bit color in Control Panels->Display->Settings 2006-03-24T17:24:06Z INFO: remove_marker_file() already looked in xorg file for defaultdepth for color depth and stuffs. |
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ninjafoo Ng
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03-24-2006 09:44
just installed ubuntu now. still seems to be having same problems. already looked in xorg file for defaultdepth for color depth and stuffs. Check you have hardware 3D working. _____________________
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Radscientist Poindexter
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03-24-2006 09:48
just looked around in the secondlife files.
found and looked in debug_info.log SL Log: /home/jeffery/Desktop/SecondLife_1_9_0_17/SecondLife/logs/SecondLife.log Second Life version 1.9.0 build 17 Can't get terse CPU information RAM: 0 OS: Linux 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 btw how do i check and turn on the hardware 3d on ubuntu? |
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Zi Ree
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03-24-2006 10:08
You need to have the ATi binary drivers installed in order to play Second Life. Visit the ATi website to find a download. Maybe an ATi expert can help out here.
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03-24-2006 12:31
ok i've done the automatic installer that ati had and it worked execpt for one last step.
Launch the Terminal Application/Window and run /usr/X11R6/bin/aticonfig --initial to configure the driver. I found the aticonfig file and opened the terminal in the folder and got root@will:/home/jeffery # /usr/X11R6/bin/aticonfig --initial Using /etc/X11/xorg.conf Found fglrx primary device section but after rebooting SL still behaves like the above post showed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i tried something else and followed the setting.ini copy and paste advice offered in /263/c5/94971/1.html it seems to behave a little differently. I'm gonna look up the GLX visual and the VLF files. Is there anything else i could do? I'm waiting for my roommie to come back so she could log in and explain why i don't have my username there anymore so i could try to copy my window client setting.ini and what other files in user files. 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z WARNING: LLDir_Linux not fully implemented! 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: Checking marker file for lock... 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: Marker file isn't locked. 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: Checking marker file for lock... 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: Marker file created. 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: Removing message.log 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: Exiting init_marker_file(). 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: Opening debug file /home/jeffery/Desktop/SecondLife_1_9_0_17/SecondLife/logs/debug_info.log 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: Second Life version 1.9.0 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: Local time: 2006-03-24T15:48:38 EST 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: CPU info: 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z processor : 0 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 15 model : 28 model name : AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2800+ stepping : 0 cpu MHz : 1601.331 cache size : 256 KB fdiv_bug : no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug : no coma_bug : no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 1 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 pni syscall nx mmxext lm 3dnowext 3dnow bogomips : 3162.11 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: Memory info: 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z MemTotal: 515868 kB MemFree: 207156 kB Buffers: 12956 kB Cached: 158116 kB SwapCached: 0 kB Active: 186364 kB Inactive: 96404 kB HighTotal: 0 kB HighFree: 0 kB LowTotal: 515868 kB LowFree: 207156 kB SwapTotal: 1510068 kB SwapFree: 1510068 kB Dirty: 524 kB Writeback: 0 kB Mapped: 169880 kB Slab: 18116 kB CommitLimit: 1768000 kB Committed_AS: 269676 kB PageTables: 1484 kB VmallocTotal: 516016 kB VmallocUsed: 4756 kB VmallocChunk: 511112 kB 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: OS info: Linux 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: Loading feature tables. 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: QUEUED THREAD STARTING 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: QUEUED THREAD STARTING 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: QUEUED THREAD STARTING 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: Using configuration file /home/jeffery/Desktop/SecondLife_1_9_0_17/SecondLife/user_settings/settings.ini 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z WARNING: LLControlGroup::loadFromFile() : Trying to set "means%they%have%requested%not%to%be%disturbed.%%", setting doesn't exist. 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: Loading art table from viewerart.ini 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: Loading base colors from colors_base.ini 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: Loading user colors from colors.ini 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: Default vfs data file not present, found /home/jeffery/Desktop/SecondLife_1_9_0_17/SecondLife/cache/. 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: Old salt: 962428095 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z WARNING: Bad or missing vfx index file /home/jeffery/Desktop/SecondLife_1_9_0_17/SecondLife/cache/index.db2.x.962428095 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z WARNING: Removing old vfs data file /home/jeffery/Desktop/SecondLife_1_9_0_17/SecondLife/cache/. 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: Renaming /home/jeffery/Desktop/SecondLife_1_9_0_17/SecondLife/cache/. to /home/jeffery/Desktop/SecondLife_1_9_0_17/SecondLife/cache/data.db2.x.492741013 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: Renaming /home/jeffery/Desktop/SecondLife_1_9_0_17/SecondLife/cache/index.db2.x.962428095 to /home/jeffery/Desktop/SecondLife_1_9_0_17/SecondLife/cache/index.db2.x.492741013 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: Pre-sized VFS data file to 524288000 bytes 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: VFS: Using index file /home/jeffery/Desktop/SecondLife_1_9_0_17/SecondLife/cache/index.db2.x.492741013 and data file /home/jeffery/Desktop/SecondLife_1_9_0_17/SecondLife/cache/data.db2.x.492741013 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: VFS: Using index file /home/jeffery/Desktop/SecondLife_1_9_0_17/app_settings/static_index.db2 and data file /home/jeffery/Desktop/SecondLife_1_9_0_17/app_settings/static_data.db2 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: Initializing window... 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: createContext: creating window 800x600x32 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: createContext: window creation failure. SDL: Couldn't find matching GLX visual 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: Unloading all GL symbols... 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z WARNING: OSMessageBox: Window creation error 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: Unloading all GL symbols... 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z WARNING: LLWindowManager::create() : Error creating window. 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z WARNING: Unable to create window, be sure screen is set at 32-bit color in Control Panels->Display->Settings 2006-03-24T20:48:38Z INFO: remove_marker_file() |
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Michael Martinez
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03-24-2006 13:15
I run Ubuntu Flight 5 (as supported my ATI card - X850XT)..
and just intalled the FGLRX drivers and fine, SL works great, all fine _____________________
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Gui Benmergui
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Use Suse
03-24-2006 13:41
I have been running SL ON SUSE FOR SOME TIME NOWㄡ DUAL SCREEN SETUP AND STILL NO PROBLEMSㄝ I AM A NEWBIE TOOㄝ SO I DO RECOMEND YOU LOOK FOR SUSE 10
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Mack Echegaray
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03-24-2006 14:32
There isn't a "best distro" for a program like Second Life, any will work pretty much the same, as they're all based on the same code at the level SL works at.
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Trimda Hedges
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03-27-2006 06:37
I'm running FC5 x86_64 over here. It runs like a charm on the nvidia hardware. Can't speak for how easy it is to setup your ATI card thou.
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Vinci Calamari
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03-27-2006 10:57
If you are depending on graphics and dont know how to configure X11 yopu shopuld definetly nmot use Ubuntu or Debian because you can not set graphics with a tool like in OpenSuse or Fedora. And with Debian/Ubuntu you will stilly have a lot dependency problems becaue of bad quality of their packages - and they do not provide much of new software.
Gentoo is sure nice if you want to get everything done, but I would say it is for developers unless you want to learn how to compile and have lots of time. If you dont know what do install I definetly would suggest Fedora FC5 (download 1 DVD image) because nothing is more easy. There are some problems with non-free software. Yiu have to add at least the LIVNA repository to the repository list. But besides this unhandy thing i have never used a system that is easier and more stable (habe used Debian; Red Hat, Ubuntu, SUSE and Gentoo before). I can not say anything about other distributions. There might be something better, but not on from the above for new users. |
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Drake Bacon
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03-27-2006 11:34
I'm running FC5 x86_64 over here. It runs like a charm on the nvidia hardware. Can't speak for how easy it is to setup your ATI card thou. In response to those who say "get out of rpm hell", guess you haven't discovered YUM. I do agree rpms are a bit chunky overall, but they serve me well. I discovered YUM. It's terrible when you've also used apt-get (on RPM no less, as well as on Debian-based systems), swaret on Slackware, and Gentoo's Portage. You can't search and find anything. It always pulls new copies of repositories on the net -- wasteful! What a mess. |
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ninjafoo Ng
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03-27-2006 13:17
Gentoo is sure nice if you want to get everything done, but I would say it is for developers unless you want to learn how to compile and have lots of time. 1. emerge package 2. ????? 3. Profit _____________________
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03-27-2006 18:03
For Ninjafoo it all comes down to money. A real Mercenary. Be warned, I hear uses those free distros CDs on the back of linux magazines in place of throwing stars.
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furahivszuri Zeluco
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03-27-2006 18:12
I discovered YUM. It's terrible when you've also used apt-get (on RPM no less, as well as on Debian-based systems), swaret on Slackware, and Gentoo's Portage. You can't search and find anything. It always pulls new copies of repositories on the net -- wasteful! What a mess. Have you tried YaST? You can search on any number of criteria, install foregin RPMs, add network repositories (and tell it if you want to tell it when they've changed manually or wether it should check automatically, and in that case it only pulls the repository if there have been changes, not every time), etc... Updating signed packages is easy via YoU; unsigned packages... not so much, but they're rewriting the package manager from scratch and this is one of the reasons... |
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03-27-2006 23:23
For Ninjafoo it all comes down to money. A real Mercenary. Be warned, I hear uses those free distros CDs on the back of linux magazines in place of throwing stars. ROFL !! _____________________
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Vinci Calamari
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03-28-2006 02:05
I discovered YUM. It's terrible when you've also used apt-get (on RPM no less, as well as on Debian-based systems), swaret on Slackware, and Gentoo's Portage. You can't search and find anything. It always pulls new copies of repositories on the net -- wasteful! What a mess. it pulls because the default is to check. On Debian you often get "package not found" because it does not check. You then have to rund "apt-get update" and run the install again. You can have the behaviour of apt-get if you do choose this option: CODE -C Tells yum to run entirely from cache - does not download or For new users though it is recommended to stick with the behaviour - and yum btw. is around 4-5 times faste in FC5 as in FC4. The syntax ist very similar to apt-get. theres is also one nice thing with yum: If I do say 'yum update xorg*' it updates all packages I have installed starting with that phrase. With apt-get 'apt-get install xorg' installs all packages starting with 'xorg' and apt-get update istz not intended to be combined with any wildcards. I think you may do this somehow with pipes and apt-show-versions, but this also is nothing a newcomer wants to do. So if you want to be able to update many similar packages this is much easier with yum. Vinci |
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Vinci Calamari
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03-28-2006 02:14
1. emerge package 2. ????? 3. Profit Well, if you were honest you would also tell that: 1. building in gentoo does not always works - if you ask in the forums they tell you to exclude or reconfigure some rules for the emerge 2. Many packages that are new are masked - you have to unmask them to be able to install - but then you are alone - they are not officially supported. So I would say Gentoo is something for people who like to ge their hands dirty. It might be totally different now than it was 2 years ago but back then I very often had to mess with compilation problems. As an example here just a link to one of the question and answers of the Gentoo FAQ: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=23475 Don't get me wrong. I do think that Gentoo is a great system, especially for developers - but the questions that are answered in the FAQ sure tell us that it is nothing that comes that easy and telling newcomers to use it is generally bad. It is good for beginnerst that want to knwo EVERYTHING about Linux or do not want to have any limitations. Fedora has many limitations, but it works mostly out of the box. I would like to have Gentoo as a secondary system, too - for testing - but not for a productional system. Sure you can make a productional system out of Gentoo, but you need to know more as on other Linuxes. Vinci |
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ninjafoo Ng
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03-28-2006 03:05
Why am I not surprised that you take issue with my choice of distro.....
Well, if you were honest you would also tell that: 1. building in gentoo does not always works - if you ask in the forums they tell you to exclude or reconfigure some rules for the emerge 2. Many packages that are new are masked - you have to unmask them to be able to install - but then you are alone - they are not officially supported. It works almost all the time these days, and if you do have a problem the forums are very very helpful, most problems are very quickly and simply resolved. As for new / unstable packages, thats the same as with any other distro. But your far from alone, most people run a mix of regular and masked packages. So I would say Gentoo is something for people who like to ge their hands dirty. Gentoo teaches you not to fear the command line. It might be totally different now than it was 2 years ago but back then I very often had to mess with compilation problems. As an example here just a link to one of the question and answers of the Gentoo FAQ: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=23475 That FAQ item is so out of date is laughable (and has nothing to do with compilation problems). You can now use etc-update to update your configuration files. If you don't mind the command line, then gentoo is a fantastic distro. Yes the install can be a bit daunting, but the docs are good and there is a GUI installer in the pipe. Compiling everyting from scratch IS time consuming, its not the reason for running Gentoo. Gentoo gives you granular control, you only build the code you actually want / need. You never have to reinstall the whole system because the next point release is out, portage is the best package management system ever and the community is one of the most open. And no. I don't accept that you need to know more than you do on other distros. If you want to run a webserver then you really have to know where you apache configs are located and what to do with them - regardless of the distro. I run gentoo on everything from firewalls to laptops to desktops to 16 way servers. _____________________
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Darkside Eldrich
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03-28-2006 13:26
It works almost all the time these days, and if you do have a problem the forums are very very helpful, most problems are very quickly and simply resolved. As for new / unstable packages, thats the same as with any other distro. But your far from alone, most people run a mix of regular and masked packages. When I first installed, I was dumb enough to set ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" in make.conf. I learned the hard way that they really mean "unstable"! Gentoo teaches you not to fear the command line. With a basic desktop install + porthole, a user doesn't even need the command line any more... after the initial setup, that is, which the local geek (that's us!) can handle. Gentoo gives you granular control, you only build the code you actually want / need. You never have to reinstall the whole system because the next point release is out, portage is the best package management system ever and the community is one of the most open. I don't know about "best ever"... if I had to count the times it's broken on me in the past... but as you mention, that's the past. It's rapidly getting better. Package maintainers are finally taking themselves seriously, for one thing... I still have to use firefox-bin and openoffice-bin, though, because those ebuilds tend not to compile cleanly... I'd like to see some packaged e-17 binary ebuilds, though... I have yet to get e-17 to work, and I wants it. I run gentoo on everything from firewalls to laptops to desktops to 16 way servers. I prefer something more stable for a server... slackware does regression updates, so you don't have to install a new *version* of a package to get security patches. I prefer a system like that when you don't want the way an application behaves to change on your users (without adequate warning). |
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Tommy Murakami
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just solved similar problem on Suse 10 64 bit
03-28-2006 16:41
check that you have all the prerequiste items for ATI installed, you can check the installation instructions on www.ati.com for details. You may be missing something like freefont or some such thing.
Also I had better luck building a package for specific distro and installing by rpm. |
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ninjafoo Ng
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03-29-2006 00:30
When I first installed, I was dumb enough to set ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" in make.conf. I learned the hard way that they really mean "unstable"! I did run an entire system like that for a while, in the end I was just to lazy to keep on top of it. With a basic desktop install + porthole, a user doesn't even need the command line any more... after the initial setup, that is, which the local geek (that's us!) can handle. Porthole - cheers for the heads up, can't believe I missed that! Its a lot simpler from the command line now anyway. boot, fdisk, download some tarballs, emerge sync, grub and reboot. I prefer something more stable for a server... slackware does regression updates, so you don't have to install a new *version* of a package to get security patches. I prefer a system like that when you don't want the way an application behaves to change on your users (without adequate warning). I have found user reaction to application change is about the same if you warn them in advance or just rip the rug up first thing monday morning. <evil grin> As for stability, I haven't had a problem in a long time, everythings bang up to date with uptime to die for. In fact, biggest headaches are caused by app developers changing the way their app works just because they can, and I forget to read the changelog before installing _____________________
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Darkside Eldrich
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03-29-2006 12:27
I have found user reaction to application change is about the same if you warn them in advance or just rip the rug up first thing monday morning. <evil grin> Yeah, but giving them advance warning gives you the "I told you already" excuse. As for stability, I haven't had a problem in a long time, everythings bang up to date with uptime to die for. In fact, biggest headaches are caused by app developers changing the way their app works just because they can, and I forget to read the changelog before installing I guess I meant more instability inherent in a constantly updated source-based package management system. But whatever work for you, right? |