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Gambling versus Virtual Sex and Escorts

kmi Clip
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12-24-2007 07:19
Hello All,

Im new to SL and was going to build a casino searching games tables and all knds of things, until I came across someone in SL that said Gambling is banned and if you get caught you get banned!

This person said I know where you can play black jack, not my cup of tea because I like Texas hold'em and I play small with niclkes and dimes because I enjoy the art of the game its not about the money when playing, for me its the game! but anyway he gives me a note card which can teleport you there to baja, cool lets go.

When I get there, I found one black jack table which was no fun no dealer and decided to tour the club.

What I found was an escort I asked how do you get hired in SL, no answer then the owners of the club showed up and I asked them too "how do you Hire people?" just incase this gambling thing does become legal in SL I can hire managers for the casino Id like to build. The owners only concern because they didnt speak much english was only to pimp out thier escorts I pay the escort and get virtual sex and I decided to get out of thier hapily married.

This was the part of SL that really blew my mind Your Not aloud to Gamble in SL but its ok to Pay for Virtual Sex!

Wouldn't that be a form of prostatution?

If you can Buy Prostatutes im sorry Escorts for Virtual Sex than why cant I go and play a simple game of poker? SL is slanted

Is there anything we poker players can do to get poker back into the mainstream of SL?

Sincerely,
Michael
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12-24-2007 09:12
It is still legal to pretend to have sex, even to pretend to have sex for money. It is not legal for credit card companies to deal with Internet services that host gambling. If you want the Second Life policy changed, you will have to get the laws that force them to make the rules changed.
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12-24-2007 09:15
From: kmi Clip
Is there anything we poker players can do to get poker back into the mainstream of SL?

Overthrow the US government.
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Tegg Bode
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12-24-2007 15:43
Difference with gambling in SL is you can tweak your own scripts to the houses favour as much as you like, pretty easy for a talented programmer to have a machine that makes people win small bets but automatically grabs any sum bet over a certain amount, and not to mention the club owners would put 50 of these scripthogs in a room, a few hundred prims worth of script heavy neon lighting with 40 camping bots and filling the sim to the extent that even customers couldn't get in to the sim running like a pregnant yak with lag.
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Sindy Tsure
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12-24-2007 17:31
From: Tegg Bode
Difference with gambling in SL is you can tweak your own scripts to the houses favour as much as you like, pretty easy for a talented programmer to have a machine that makes people win small bets but automatically grabs any sum bet over a certain amount, and not to mention the club owners would put 50 of these scripthogs in a room, a few hundred prims worth of script heavy neon lighting with 40 camping bots and filling the sim to the extent that even customers couldn't get in to the sim running like a pregnant yak with lag.

/me also recalls the number of "hey, it said I won big but now the casino owner refuses to pay" threads we saw before the ban. Not that all were bad - just not easy to tell good from bad..
Colette Meiji
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12-30-2007 15:47
as soon as we figure out how to have ACTUAL sex in Second Life, instead of just simulated sex, you will have a good point.


Besides the fact that SL will totally, and I mean *totally* ROCK then, no matter how laggy it is.
Lear Cale
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12-30-2007 15:57
From: Colette Meiji
as soon as we figure out how to have ACTUAL sex in Second Life, instead of just simulated sex, you will have a good point.


Besides the fact that SL will totally, and I mean *totally* ROCK then, no matter how laggy it is.


LOL
Jezabell Barbosa
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12-30-2007 16:09
From: Colette Meiji
as soon as we figure out how to have ACTUAL sex in Second Life, instead of just simulated sex, you will have a good point.


Besides the fact that SL will totally, and I mean *totally* ROCK then, no matter how laggy it is.


I concur
Mitzy Shino
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12-30-2007 19:23
From: Colette Meiji
as soon as we figure out how to have ACTUAL sex in Second Life, instead of just simulated sex, you will have a good point.


Besides the fact that SL will totally, and I mean *totally* ROCK then, no matter how laggy it is.


I believe there are devices you can hook up to your computer that replicate shall we say the nerve endings firing in certain parts of you body.

Try searching for sinulator, highjoy, or slashdong in google.

* Disclaimer, I have never owned, used or played with any of these things, I'm a good sweet innocent girl after all, but please if you do happen to try one out, let me know what its like! :)
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12-30-2007 20:14
From: Mitzy Shino
I believe there are devices you can hook up to your computer that replicate shall we say the nerve endings firing in certain parts of you body.
Try searching for sinulator, highjoy, or slashdong in google.
* Disclaimer, I have never owned, used or played with any of these things, I'm a good sweet innocent girl after all, but please if you do happen to try one out, let me know what its like! :)

Just they are all build it yourself or not integrated into SL. Xcite, one day will really Excite :)
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12-30-2007 20:58
From: Tegg Bode
Just they are all build it yourself or not integrated into SL. Xcite, one day will really Excite :)


Are you sure they aren't? My understanding was that the DIY one was the basis of the two commercial ones, and that they were all SL compatible, but as I said, no experience of them.
Colette Meiji
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12-30-2007 22:22
From: Mitzy Shino
I believe there are devices you can hook up to your computer that replicate shall we say the nerve endings firing in certain parts of you body.

Try searching for sinulator, highjoy, or slashdong in google.

* Disclaimer, I have never owned, used or played with any of these things, I'm a good sweet innocent girl after all, but please if you do happen to try one out, let me know what its like! :)


Thats still not like actual sex.

Thats computer assisted masturbation/ computer controlled sex toys.

I meant sex that basically was so immersive it is just like the real thing.

Those things you mention though fun would be only the first step on the whole long journey.

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besides merely simulating the genitals is quite a ways off from most of the enjoyable stuff.

Id like to be able to feel someone's body next to mine across the internet somehow, now THAT you can call sex.
Lear Cale
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12-31-2007 06:48
From: Colette Meiji
just like the real thing


but without fear of STDs or pregnancy!
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12-31-2007 08:08
From: Lear Cale
but without fear of STDs or pregnancy!
And I can orbit him afterwards if he doesn't leave? Where do I sign up?
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12-31-2007 19:05
From: Mitzy Shino
Are you sure they aren't? My understanding was that the DIY one was the basis of the two commercial ones, and that they were all SL compatible, but as I said, no experience of them.

Well my undersytanding of theones I've seen commercially is they are integrated into SL in the same way Skype is, you can run them at the same time, but they don't connect to the viewer.
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Mitzy...here is somethings of interest perhaps
02-02-2008 12:41
From: Mitzy Shino
I believe there are devices you can hook up to your computer that replicate shall we say the nerve endings firing in certain parts of you body.

Try searching for sinulator, highjoy, or slashdong in google.

* Disclaimer, I have never owned, used or played with any of these things, I'm a good sweet innocent girl after all, but please if you do happen to try one out, let me know what its like! :)


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Zolen Giano
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09-18-2008 21:45
From: someone
I believe there are devices you can hook up to your computer that replicate shall we say the nerve endings firing in certain parts of you body.

Try searching for sinulator, highjoy, or slashdong in google.

* Disclaimer, I have never owned, used or played with any of these things, I'm a good sweet innocent girl after all, but please if you do happen to try one out, let me know what its like!


I bet the Lindens could tripple their annual revenue if they sold these devices instead of those goofy headsets on the front page of the website....
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10-10-2008 09:42
From: Ordinal Malaprop
Overthrow the US government.


There are tons of poker playing sites online, through MySpace, Pogo, just to name 2.

or just play the poker game with sex chips, make an alt that lays on one of those silly pose beds and have the players pay them. Then cash out....

actually would be easy to do, require players to have an alt and log them into the poker room you have set up with 5 or more beds..alt lays around waiting while the regulars play...pay each others alts in sex chips, lmao...now this sounds like vegas...hahaha :D
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11-11-2008 02:26
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11-11-2008 05:39
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The RL problems that occur around RL prostitution are usually STDs and human trafficking. One has the risk of life threatening illness. Another puts a person in an inescapable situation where they may be physically bound to an inhuman and inhumane life. For most of the US and many other countries, the "solution" has been prohibition.

The RL problems that occur around RL gambling are usually addiction and financial ruin with large amounts of accrued debt. Again... For most of the US and some other countries... Prohibition.

While, in SL, STDs are far from reality and slavery is role play that you can escape from via a mouse click. Addiction and financial loss is still very real. While I don't agree with the policy (among many others that ban even more harmless activity). It's there with good intentions.

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11-11-2008 06:22
Even with full-body teledildonics (google for it) it still won't be "real sex".
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Cappy Frantisek
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01-06-2009 13:56
but you can still cash out Lindens earned from having virtual sex for real money. that should make it prostitution.
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01-06-2009 14:11
At the risk of re-starting old issues...what was the outcome of the "Zoning/Covenants/Group Empowerment" discussions?
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01-06-2009 14:38
Cappy: people make a living "talking dirty" on the telephone. Is phone-sex prostitution?

Quote from a phone-sex worker: "I'm not a prostitute. I can sit here, read a magazine and just moan occasionally..."
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01-06-2009 16:15
Actually... The title of the thread explains the whole thing, if you read it correctly...

"Gambling versus Virtual Sex and Escorts"

While the sex is virtual, the gambling is real. The justification behind the prohibition of the sex trade in the U.S. is the potential for spreading S.T.D.s, human trafficking, abuse, rape, violence, and many other possible physical crimes. (>_<;)

Show me someone who is convinced you can physically break a hymen online, and I'll show you how sadly delusional the argument against virtual sex actually is. Really, give it the unimportance it deserves or join the rally against masturbation while we laugh in your general direction. (=_=)

The U.S. government has avoided making laws against virtual activities, since it's just bits and pixels, there's no harm done. But online gambling is not virtual gambling. There is real money to be lost, real livelihoods to be destroyed, and to date prohibition is the "solution". (^_^)y
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