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Love Hastings
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04-08-2009 22:37
From: Briana Dawson
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Yes different strokes for different folks. It just seems that the always popular thing to do in SL D/s is preach about how your way is the right way and everyone else is just faking it because you have done it forever in RL and the way you did it is the only true D/s style to engage in.

It is so tired, so old, so juvenile, and the thought process behind that way of thinking is something I am so very tired of seeing repeated in SL by people who obviously think their way is the only way and right way of engaging in Dominance and submission in SecondLife.


It's pretty common for dominants to have strong views about how they want to do things. And yes, it's rather unfortunate (and frustrating!) when they go the next step which is to start criticising those who don't share their view. Especially in venues where the views are unsolicited and uncalled for.

Still, it makes it easy to figure out who to ignore.

I agree about there being a prevailing opinion on how it should be done in SL. Have you noticed how just about every submissive in SL is a "slave?" You have to look very hard to find profiles which say "submissive." Contrast that with RL, where those who identify as slaves (think of the TPE fantasy) are definitely a very small minority of the broad range of types of submissives. Something just doesn't add up.
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Love Hastings
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04-08-2009 22:46
From: Lindal Kidd

That said, there is still a place for these props and toys...as long as they are used to enhance roleplay, not substitute for it.


The thing about RLV, which is hard to explain to you vanilla types (heh - sorry!) is that it is a way to take away choice. And for some people, having choice taken away from them is a huge turn on. As we always say, sex is 90% between the ears - even more in SL!

It doesn't necessarily matter *how* the choice is removed (though for some the how matters greatly), but that the choice is taken. When you think about all the things that SL is, it basically revolves around the functionality of the client. The client gives your avatar form, allows you to interact with others, build, teleport, etc etc. RLV is about taking that functionality away. RLV is direct and to the point.

Are you a bad dominant if you use RLV on your submissive? What if you use it to reward your good behaving sub? Are you still a bad dominant, or rather are you an effective one, finding ways to shape your sub into what you want her to be? Looking at it as turning your submissive into a robot (though a great fetish for some, no doubt) is rather myopic, IMHO.

I was going to just let this go, but Briana got me started. Blame her! :p
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Brenda Connolly
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04-08-2009 23:15
From: Love Hastings
It's pretty common for dominants to have strong views about how they want to do things. And yes, it's rather unfortunate (and frustrating!) when they go the next step which is to start criticising those who don't share their view. Especially in venues where the views are unsolicited and uncalled for.

Still, it makes it easy to figure out who to ignore.

I agree about there being a prevailing opinion on how it should be done in SL. Have you noticed how just about every submissive in SL is a "slave?" You have to look very hard to find profiles which say "submissive." Contrast that with RL, where those who identify as slaves (think of the TPE fantasy) are definitely a very small minority of the broad range of types of submissives. Something just doesn't add up.


Yes! In my limited time in this area, I found that very noticeable, and it is a distinction I've made from the beginning when meeting people for scenes, and in the info card I would give to potential playmates.
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Emma Rossi
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Join date: 21 Apr 2008
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04-20-2009 18:29
Ok i have a request to get this all set up.....Problem is i have no idea about it...i have tried to do some research but im not getting the awsers i need.

If someone trys to IM me is the Dom told about it and what it says?
can they look through my inventory? e.g see my friends list ...pics i may have in my texures or photo album?
I guess at the end of the day i want to know how much control they have....i get the whole locking you in place so you can't remove cuffs ect and being able to TP you to them and seeing where you have been.
Can they mess with things like prefrances....voice chat ect?
can they see if you have alts?

i don't know ....but if anyone can help that would be great...thank you
Windsweptgold Wopat
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04-21-2009 01:16
They cant tell ifyou have alts but if your owned by someone we can assume you know them fairly well and why could you not tell them, or ask, them about alts?
Emma Rossi
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Join date: 21 Apr 2008
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04-21-2009 01:22
i just want to understand the viewer and know exactly waht it does......i tryed installing it and have now suffed somthing up anyway. i have all this white writting comming up on my screen that i can't get rid of.....i even tryed uninstalling and re installing....its driving me nuts i cant see anything or get rid of it. Its like they are commands or somthing. I have tried uninstalling the rlv too but can't find it anywhere.....i think this whole thing was a mistake.
Briana Dawson
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04-21-2009 03:29
Maybe - Control+Shit+3

If even MORE writing appears on the screen, hit that combination again.

Or else you will need to do a full uninstall, which means removing the settings folder - wherever that sucker is.
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Nina Stepford
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Join date: 26 Mar 2007
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04-21-2009 06:15
From: Emma Rossi
Ok i have a request to get this all set up.....Problem is i have no idea about it...i have tried to do some research but im not getting the awsers i need.

If someone trys to IM me is the Dom told about it and what it says?

no, they are not privvy to your IM's. They may block your ability to im, but they cannot read IMs or determine who is/has tried to IM you.
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can they look through my inventory? e.g see my friends list ...pics i may have in my texures or photo album?
no, there is no way for them to see your inv textures, friends list or photos. there is however a 'shared' folder called '#rlv' where you can store items you wish the dom to be able to attach to you/make you wear/use. i suppose they can 'see' that bit of the inv in a sense, but you have to specifically put things there for them to see. theres no way for them to 'browse' your inventory.
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I guess at the end of the day i want to know how much control they have....i get the whole locking you in place so you can't remove cuffs ect and being able to TP you to them and seeing where you have been.
Can they mess with things like prefrances....voice chat ect?
no, they cannot change preferences, change voice, speak/type as if they are you, etc. rlv is 90% about imposing restrictions. its not about letting them see things they wouldnt normally see.
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can they see if you have alts?
no, there is no new functionality that would allow them to determine whether you have alts or not.
about the most invasive action that they can take is to spy on you. it is possible that they can track where you have been TPing to, and what avs have been in your vicinity. They may even listen in on your open chat (but never IMs).



which flavour of RLV did you install? where did you download it from? do you have a link?
From: Emma Rossi
i just want to understand the viewer and know exactly waht it does......i tryed installing it and have now suffed somthing up anyway. i have all this white writting comming up on my screen that i can't get rid of.....i even tryed uninstalling and re installing....its driving me nuts i cant see anything or get rid of it. Its like they are commands or somthing. I have tried uninstalling the rlv too but can't find it anywhere.....i think this whole thing was a mistake.
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Windsweptgold Wopat
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04-21-2009 06:24
From: Nina Stepford
no, they are not privvy to your IM's. They may block your ability to im, but they cannot read IMs or determine who is/has tried to IM you.
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You can not receive IMs if the person controlling you does not allow it
Nina Stepford
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04-21-2009 06:27
is that not what i said?
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Windsweptgold Wopat
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04-21-2009 06:33
From: Nina Stepford
is that not what i said?

I believe your post implied they could not send IM but i felt it was not clear about getting ims
Nina Stepford
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04-21-2009 06:38
it wasnt my intent to write an all-encompassing how-to manual for rlv. she already made it clear she understood that IM functionality can be blocked. i saw no need to cover that ground again.
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Abigail Merlin
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04-21-2009 07:28
From: Love Hastings
I agree about there being a prevailing opinion on how it should be done in SL. Have you noticed how just about every submissive in SL is a "slave?" You have to look very hard to find profiles which say "submissive." Contrast that with RL, where those who identify as slaves (think of the TPE fantasy) are definitely a very small minority of the broad range of types of submissives. Something just doesn't add up.

Guess it depends on the groups you hang out with, in the spanking scene it is much more likely that subs call themselfs pet rather then slave perhaps because the loving side of disapline is more prevalant in the spanking scene.

back to spying and RLV, that is not a function of RLV in itself but rather a function of the collar in use and spying will also work with other viewers.
Briana Dawson
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04-21-2009 08:29
From: Love Hastings
Have you noticed how just about every submissive in SL is a "slave?" You have to look very hard to find profiles which say "submissive." Contrast that with RL, where those who identify as slaves (think of the TPE fantasy) are definitely a very small minority of the broad range of types of submissives.


Maybe Gor had something to do with that? I think maybe so. When i started SL, sub's were "the thing", and "slaves" came in around the turn of 2004 with Goreans. My first D/s experience was in SL and as a submissive. When I was taken to Gor, of course i was made a slave, as are all kajira on Gor. I stayed a Gorean slave mainly though to 2008-February, when I met "Nina Nina bo bina banana fanna fo fina me mi mo mina, NINA" and she tossed my world into heart warming madness - at which point my Mistress understood very well and actually freed me without any sort of crazy Gor punishment or death penalties (YAY!). So i guess i have to some degree kept that slave mentality a bit, but have grown a lot being out of Gor and have once again come to rely on my own independence and my Freedom to do as I relatively please.

But yes, now-a-days, everyone is a slave. It is trendy. And 95% of the people are not ready for such a deep involvement or even understand what it involves. :(
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Scott Savira
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04-21-2009 09:47
Lol... damn... +1 for Nina... you beat me to it.

From: Emma Rossi
Ok i have a request to get this all set up.....Problem is i have no idea about it...i have tried to do some research but im not getting the awsers i need.

If someone trys to IM me is the Dom told about it and what it says?


No. You have the option of enabling that sort of functionality with things like a collar, but that requires some setup steps, and it's very clearly YOUR decision. You will not be spied on simply by using RLV.

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can they look through my inventory? e.g see my friends list ...pics i may have in my texures or photo album?


None of the above. No, they cannot see your inventory or your friends list or any pictures you may have. You DO have the option of creating a special folder in your inventory named #RLV and things that you put into there can be attached to/detached from you with the use of something like a collar. Note that these things cannot be stolen from you, only removed or worn, and it does not let them see your inventory, they simply get a list of the items in your #RLV folder. This is a fairly advanced feature for some people, so don't worry about it too much.

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I guess at the end of the day i want to know how much control they have....i get the whole locking you in place so you can't remove cuffs ect and being able to TP you to them and seeing where you have been.


The control they have over you depends upon what scripted devices you are wearing. Some are more advanced than others. Keeping you from detaching locked restraints is common. Some collars let you force TP someone without their consent, other collars do not allow this, or only allow it if YOU explicitly set them as your owner. There are a whole host of other common restrictions: disabling your ability to edit, stand, sit, see name labels over someone's head, see the location you're in, view the map, send IMs to people, receive IMs, accept TPs from someone, access your inventory, wear/remove your clothes. That is not an exhaustive list, but it will give you some idea of the extent that you can be affected. Note that these restrictions may not be used. Many collars allow you to turn such restrictions on or off.

Note that simply running RLV will not impose these restrictions on you per say. You will need to wear something that is scripted to restrict you somehow. You don't have to wear anything you don't want to. There is no way for someone to forcible give you something and make you wear it. It's YOUR choice.

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Can they mess with things like prefrances....voice chat ect?


No.

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can they see if you have alts?


No.
Nina Stepford
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04-21-2009 10:14
i think it is safe to assume that if one a submissive looking to use rlv they will likely be collared or some such thing, so the typical scenarios involving a relay and collar are also pretty germane to the discussion and shouldnt be overlooked.
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