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damian Falconer
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03-31-2009 05:43
It seems im under rlv, and i get crazy of it, specially limited in moving and teleporting..
how do i get rid of the sucker that seems to control me and this rlv ?
Thanks very much for an advice........
Ciera Spyker
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03-31-2009 07:25
Umm you just didnt happen upon it... it took great care and effort to set yourself up to use it in the first place. It didnt happen "by accident"

try again.
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03-31-2009 07:54
Use a normal viewer perhaps? *laughs*
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03-31-2009 08:16
From: damian Falconer
It seems im under rlv, and i get crazy of it, specially limited in moving and teleporting..
how do i get rid of the sucker that seems to control me and this rlv ?
Thanks very much for an advice........

Whatever.

It does not happen by accident.

People cannot just "control you" because you are in RLV.

Delete your SL folder and reinstall from the SL website.
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Lindal Kidd
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03-31-2009 08:38
For those wondering what this is about...

Restrained Life Viewer (RLV) is a third party version of the SL viewer software. It has a number of features especially interesting to the BDSM and D/s community. If a submissive uses this viewer, it's possible for their master or mistress to control many of their actions and parts of their SL experience. For example, they can remove or replace the user's clothing. Restrict their login location (to keep them in a cage, for example). Restrict their ability to teleport, or to use IM or chat. Know where they are at all times.

To use RLV, you must browse to their website, download and install the viewer. This is completely voluntary and nobody is forcing anyone to do this.

If you get tired of being restricted, you can always log out and log back in with the regular SL viewer.

It's voluntary and consensual, like all BDSM and D/s roleplay in Second Life. It can be a profound (either good or bad) emotional experience...but it's not coerced.
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03-31-2009 12:02
IBTREL :P










( That's in before the RLV enabled lock)
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Windsweptgold Wopat
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03-31-2009 14:02
Just a thought since it was said that RLV is "especially interesting to the BDSM and D/s community" From my view it does not enhance the D/s experience but takes from it.
If ones Dom tells you to not talk then you as their submissive have the choice to do as your owner tells you though respecting them or not in which case why are you with them. If your owner tells you not to TP and you do then you have not obeyed so again why are you with that person. In my view using RLV in the above situation is more akin to having a blow up doll
Lindal Kidd
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03-31-2009 14:23
That's a perfectly valid viewpoint, Windswept.

I feel the same way about XCite bits. I'd much rather my partner told me how he was feeling in chat, with actual emotes.

Still, some people like those Robo-cocks. And some D/s people like RLV.
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Briana Dawson
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03-31-2009 17:12
From: Windsweptgold Wopat
Just a thought since it was said that RLV is "especially interesting to the BDSM and D/s community" From my view it does not enhance the D/s experience but takes from it.
If ones Dom tells you to not talk then you as their submissive have the choice to do as your owner tells you though respecting them or not in which case why are you with them. If your owner tells you not to TP and you do then you have not obeyed so again why are you with that person. In my view using RLV in the above situation is more akin to having a blow up doll


Unfortunately, that is a very very limited view of RLV and it's use in a D/s relationship.

There is something beyond the usual power exchange when RLV is introduced. I've been involved in D/s in SL since 04, specifically Gorean, and never was there a need for RLV - but now that it is here it is an enhancement, not a detraction.

Like anything, it is how you use it.

It almost sounds like your opinion of it comes from #1, lack of use ,and #2, lack of creative use.

If as a submissive/slave you need RLV to enforce your owners will on you then you are of course not suited for the role of sub/slave. But there are so many wonderful nuances with RLV like my partner asking me about some sim i was in that i totally forgot i visited but she can see through her RLV contrlols that i went there - great segue to a new conversation.

RLV is not necessity, but neither is Mayo.
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Windsweptgold Wopat
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03-31-2009 18:29
From: Briana Dawson
Unfortunately, that is a very very limited view of RLV and it's use in a D/s relationship.

There is something beyond the usual power exchange when RLV is introduced. I've been involved in D/s in SL since 04, specifically Gorean, and never was there a need for RLV - but now that it is here it is an enhancement, not a detraction.

Like anything, it is how you use it.

It almost sounds like your opinion of it comes from #1, lack of use ,and #2, lack of creative use.

If as a submissive/slave you need RLV to enforce your owners will on you then you are of course not suited for the role of sub/slave. But there are so many wonderful nuances with RLV like my partner asking me about some sim i was in that i totally forgot i visited but she can see through her RLV contrlols that i went there - great segue to a new conversation.

RLV is not necessity, but neither is Mayo.

If your Partner wanted to see a sim why not get the link and let her go there?
As for your first comment I have been D/s in RL for some time and can see in SL how much the same can be used in here. I agree in part to your comment about how you use things but again I come back to the point if you cant follow your Master/ Mistresses instructions without them having to take over control of your program then why are you collard. If we are talking TPE then to me RLV has even a lesser need in that after all are you as a sub not wanting to do as your owner tells you and if a Top needs RLV( i have seen some so called Masters who demand the sub has/gets it) then maybe you are not really much of a Dom
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03-31-2009 18:42
From: Windsweptgold Wopat
If your Partner wanted to see a sim why not get the link and let her go there?


As i said in the post, a great segue into a new 'conversation' and ultimately our conversations are all we have in SL so any chance to bring on a new fresh one is welcomed.

The biggest problem i have seen in D/s in SL since i was basically here when it started and before it became trendy and saw the first Goreans come, is that so many people are critical of the D/s style practiced by others.

I can understand being critical of some comical aspects such as a sub/slave thinking they can find a good relationship by means of a slave auction, but in general, there are really so many variants and "mental triggers" that cannot be shared or that others do not care to take part of, that it is not worth being so critical over these various differing aspects of the practice.

Because ultimately, what we are talking about, and what you do not wish to see or choose to not accept, or disagree with, or whatever, is a different "mental trigger/stimulus" - that is generally all anything in D/s is.

You can have a RL D/s relationship of an extreme style and live in a log cabin with a dungeon in the middle of nowhere with some guy and everyday he leaves the house to drive hours to work and the door is left unlocked but yet you do not leave. While in a different scenario everything is the same except the door IS locked (but you know where the key to unlock it lies); either way you can leave if you want. But the truth is that that door being locked sets off a different mental trigger/stimulus that does not get set-off when the door is left unlocked. Are you less of a sub to this person because they lock the door? Are they less sure of themselves as your Master that they need to lock the door? No.

The door being locked just triggers a pleasing stimulus. If we don't use a locked door, then place a locked collar and chain on the neck of the sub with everything else being the same.

RLV being used just triggers a stimulus. It does not detract from anything that is not already being or that has not already been degraded.

Sure some people use it to enforce their law because the sub/slave may break a rule, but we both know the truth about those relationships and the house of cards they are built upon.
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Scott Savira
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04-02-2009 09:59
I always thought, that the proper use of rlv was a subtle but powerful psychological difference. Granted it can be used improperly, but when wielded effectively it can be awesome.

A good example. Say you want to chain someone up. Without rlv, you would emote your actions and then twiddle your thumbs while you wait for them to sit on a poseball. Not very immersive, and you detract from the sense of control. With rlv, you emote and then actually "do it". End result.... a much more satisfying experience for both parties.
Winter Ventura
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04-03-2009 13:47
at the same time, RLV has been exploited by poor dominants, to perform what I've termed "tie-her-and-forget" BDSM.. which involves locking the submissive down as much as possible, then logging off for hours, days, weeks. "be a good submissive and hop around for a week without the ability to speak in chat.. lol".

In response, this has created a whole new "sub class" (pardon the pun) of the "endurance submissive", who not only seeks out this kind of "interaction" because they think it's normal, but in fact try and push their isolation and restriction further and further, to the point of losing their friends and businesses due to lack of contact.

... which more-often-than-not results in the submissive rolling up an alt so they can "cheat" without getting caught.

As a BDSM enthusiast, I have problems with equipment that is "only designed to work with RLV", or equipment that uses the "drinking from the firehose" method of feature selection. Since I own a business, I don't have the luxury to blocking my IMs, or ability to read notecards, accept inventory, build, etc. That doesn't mean I don't want to play.

But I feel that Restrained Life has "poisoned the pool" of users, and lowered expectations in terms of roleplay to the point of being little more than "click here, suffer". It's almost impossible to find partners who want to actually "roleplay" instead of just click-and-go, in very much the same way that xCite and sensations lowered the standards of cybersex with all the canned-spam.

As a retailler, I have a serious issue when trying to contact a customer who has asked me for help, only to find "IM Blocked by viewer" as the result. Honestly, this is the fastest way to stop getting product support. If my IMs aren't important to you, then the issue must not be so important that you need it resolved. I TRY to work around these restrictions (see comMUTEicator as an example of how hard I've tried).. but how much effort am I expected to go through? If you unplug the phone in real life.. how many times do you expect someone to call you back? Why must *I* work around *your* restrictions?

As a content creator, I've had my share of problems with the "Restrained Life Super-fans" who want every restriction under the sun, written into every single attachment they own.. it's unhealthy to my way of thinking, to come to a social interaction virtual world like this, and seek out total isolation.

There's a little "X" in the upper corner of the screen if you want that.
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Lance Corrimal
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04-03-2009 14:44
the features of RLV that i like best are used by me and my partner in a way that is as far away from any bdsm as possible.... like, using RLV to trigger a TP when you walk through the event horizon of a stargate, instead of just getting the map up by clicking on it.... and similar uses.
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04-03-2009 19:16
From: Windsweptgold Wopat

I have been D/s in RL for some time and can see in SL how much the same can be used in here. I agree in part to your comment about how you use things but again I come back to the point if you cant follow your Master/ Mistresses instructions without them having to take over control of your program then why are you collard. If we are talking TPE then to me RLV has even a lesser need in that after all are you as a sub not wanting to do as your owner tells you and if a Top needs RLV( i have seen some so called Masters who demand the sub has/gets it) then maybe you are not really much of a Dom


So you obviously have no need of ropes, or in fact, any form of restraint in RL. What value is a nice shibari when you can just tell the submissive to not move while you torture her?

RLV is a was to spice it up in SL just as rope or cuffs can in RL.
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04-04-2009 08:03
for me and my partner, we use RLV to enhance our entertainment. If either of us really wants to drag the other through a forced teleport we can. we usually ask if it's convenient. We can take each others clothes off, which mirrors what we might do in RL, we can restrain each other, which mirrors what we might do in RL. We can add a few more of the restrictions too but without feeling deeply engrossed in a BDSM environment.

More importantly, I have created some scripts that run that have value that can ONLY be done using RLV.

Just a little tired of people assuming that anyone that runs RLV is automatically a leather or latex clad dom/sub. Some of us find our SL a little more "playful" due to the features available.
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04-04-2009 08:09
From: Love Hastings
...a nice shibari...

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Windsweptgold Wopat
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04-05-2009 00:35
From: Love Hastings
So you obviously have no need of ropes, or in fact, any form of restraint in RL. What value is a nice shibari when you can just tell the submissive to not move while you torture her?

RLV is a was to spice it up in SL just as rope or cuffs can in RL.


Mental bondage is much more interesting than ropes or cuffs and much more challenging
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04-05-2009 11:34
From: Windsweptgold Wopat
Mental bondage is much more interesting than ropes or cuffs and much more challenging


Somehow I knew you'd say something like that. ;)

It may indeed be. However, do you look down on those who still enjoy ropes and cuffs in RL? Do you tell them, "...then maybe you are not really much of a Dom?" when they admit to enjoying it? If you do, then carry on.

There *is* more than one way of doing it, you know...
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04-05-2009 13:39
From: Love Hastings
Somehow I knew you'd say something like that. ;)

It may indeed be. However, do you look down on those who still enjoy ropes and cuffs in RL? Do you tell them, "...then maybe you are not really much of a Dom?" when they admit to enjoying it? If you do, then carry on.

There *is* more than one way of doing it, you know...

No i do not but like I said RLV in my view takes it away from the D/s and more into the robot. Could just log ones AV in and let the Dom do as they want no need for the sub to even be on . In RL when being bound the slave/sub would have some imput even if told not to speak or gagged.

I do agree with what was said earlier about not being able to IM someone when you need to because some top has stopped that function.
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04-05-2009 14:41
From: Windsweptgold Wopat
No i do not but like I said RLV in my view takes it away from the D/s and more into the robot. Could just log ones AV in and let the Dom do as they want no need for the sub to even be on .


Lexxi and I were once in a store, and somebody commented to her friends in open chat about being leashed in her past. She said she'd occasionally check the screen to see where her Dom had dragged her now, but otherwise found something else to do. In my opinion, she had missed the point, and most certainly was wise to get out of that relationship. I personally believe you've missed the point as well. But, different strokes for different folks.
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04-06-2009 08:31
I'm not into D/s, but you know me, I'll give my views on just about anything. :)

I think Winter has two really good points...first, about RLV interfering with communication from the merchant's perspective. And second, equating it with XCite, et. al.

I'm a big non-fan of the Robo-Cock. Chat, IMO, is much more personal and creative and interactive.

That said, there is still a place for these props and toys...as long as they are used to enhance roleplay, not substitute for it.
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Briana Dawson
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04-08-2009 02:29
From: Winter Ventura

As a content creator, I've had my share of problems with the "Restrained Life Super-fans" who want every restriction under the sun, written into every single attachment they own.. it's unhealthy to my way of thinking, to come to a social interaction virtual world like this, and seek out total isolation.

There's a little "X" in the upper corner of the screen if you want that.


No more unhealthy than a person who rarely goes outside.

Nothing "unhealthy" about it. There is nothing that says SL is a virtual world of social interaction that must be engaged.

Don't you sell a Bane Helmet?

How often do you get out in SL?

How social are you in SL?

How often do you decline people to attend events so you can do "your thing" undisturbed. How social is that? How often do you take breaks from work?

Coming to SL and focusing on nothing but making money in this highly social interacting world IS in and of itself isolating oneself, like you often do - so what does it matter if someone has their IMs temporarily shut off by their Master/Mistress? Isolation is Isolation, no matter how it is engaged.

So whether one is isolated because they work or they are antisocial or because they use a bane helmet or because their Owner disabled their IMs or whatever is rather irrelevant because in your own way you shut the world out all the time.

Sorry. But what you said up there about social interaction conflicts with even how you yourself handle your own SL experience.

I think many of you speaking about !XCite are rather clueless as to how often it is used on the grid. As someone who runs an adult location and often times find myself sitting in adult locations - XCite is rarely used. I run across RLV more than i do XCite bits - except that XCite spanker which seems to be really popular with the guys.

XCite's talking cocks are used more often just for non XCite interactive sex than any sort of real sexual interaction besides the occasional funny "Lets abuse that persons talking bits until they shut them off".

People are running scared like their RP sex life is in jeopardy because there are a group of people that like to sex without typing up a screen full of tripe about how much they trembling and squirming to engage in some sex act. I have no issue with how ANYONE entertains themselves sexually or in a D/s manner in SL...it is all about LIVE AND LET LIVE.

Some of you sound like it is the end to an era of sexual RP and that YOUR WAY of doing things is the only right way.

Extremely funny to me is how Windsweptgold INSISTS that anyone using RLV is lacking in their D/s relationship because it makes it robotic, which is and absolute refusal to see or even understand the perspective of an RLV user or the perspective of a person using a tool to enhance their experience which is said by her to be somehow robotic once RLV is introduced And once again the oldest DUMBEST most chanted in secret mantra in SL D/s is brought out in this forum and that is "My D/s is the RIGHT D/s" or that "Anyway other than how i do things is wrong".

Bullshit - I call bullshit.
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Briana Dawson
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04-08-2009 02:33
From: Love Hastings
I personally believe you've missed the point as well. But, different strokes for different folks.


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Yes different strokes for different folks. It just seems that the always popular thing to do in SL D/s is preach about how your way is the right way and everyone else is just faking it because you have done it forever in RL and the way you did it is the only true D/s style to engage in.

It is so tired, so old, so juvenile, and the thought process behind that way of thinking is something I am so very tired of seeing repeated in SL by people who obviously think their way is the only way and right way of engaging in Dominance and submission in SecondLife.
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Briana Dawson
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04-08-2009 04:17
Winter

I am sorry for making it personal the way i did.

I just get rather perturbed when people make broad sweeping remarks casting negative aspersions on something that i am into.

More so, i dislike the views stated by Windsweptgold which are just too close minded for my taste and set me off.

Sorry, i did not mean to single you and your SL out in this thread.

Misplaced anger.
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