A theft in the making...
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Lindal Kidd
Dances With Noobs
Join date: 26 Jun 2007
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02-26-2008 09:45
From: Toy Halfpint Accessing Mentors is a big problem. As it is now one must try to find a mentor. And pray they know the answer. Anymore NCI does a far better job. One just has belong to the group and ask in group and recieves info, often from older members that have been in LH and Mentors in the past but know that it was best to do on their own. I sound like I have a grudge against Mentors, perhaps I do, I have watched the Mentor degrade over the last several years. I find it sad. Toy, the Mentors make use of valuable non-mentor help resources, too. Like NCI, or Help People. The Linden VTeam recognizes the value of the various non-official helping organizations, and have been working on ways to "certify" them with some sort of official recognition. I agree that it'd be great if there was some sort of in world help line to access the mentors. As it is, though, it's not too hard to find one. Just look in at Help Island Public or an infohub. There are almost always one or more Mentors in those places.
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Toy Halfpint
Eats Paintchips
Join date: 23 Jan 2008
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02-26-2008 11:09
I know there are many that still care and I honestly hope the Mentor group gets straightened out.. Ya I get a bit frustrated and I wont return but I do know a good percentage do try. Those of you know who you are and so do I hehe
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Kitty Barnett
Registered User
Join date: 10 May 2006
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02-26-2008 13:45
From: Lindal Kidd The Linden VTeam recognizes the value of the various non-official helping organizations, and have been working on ways to "certify" them with some sort of official recognition. Did you actually see a Linden use the term "cerify"? All I've ever heard so far is "franchise" which is entirely different in my opinion. Certify implies making sure there's a standard that's met, franchising is simply one person jumping through hoops so everyone else in their non-LL supervised group can call themselves an "official mentor" as well. I wouldn't be at all surpised if a few months after that they decide that there's no longer a need for the LL-supervised mentors and everyone gets the boot like all other official volunteer groups up until now. |
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Bobbyb30 Zohari
SL Mentor Coach
Join date: 11 Nov 2006
Posts: 466
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02-26-2008 15:05
From: Kitty Barnett Did you actually see a Linden use the term "cerify"? All I've ever heard so far is "franchise" which is entirely different in my opinion.
Certify implies making sure there's a standard that's met, franchising is simply one person jumping through hoops so everyone else in their non-LL supervised group can call themselves an "official mentor" as well.
I wouldn't be at all surpised if a few months after that they decide that there's no longer a need for the LL-supervised mentors and everyone gets the boot like all other official volunteer groups up until now. The lindens have only said franchise implying their lowered legal repurcussions.  |
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Usagi Musashi
UM ™®
Join date: 24 Oct 2004
Posts: 6,083
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02-26-2008 16:55
Toy makes many key points, The past is the past. Those that have been inovled with the mentors know exectly the resources. Problems are when the drama starts showing up in one of those so called helper groups. Why such things occure only The lindens themselves know. Some of the questenable people in the mentor groups is another "DAH" of what the Lindens are thinking adding peopel tha have been bannned. Frankly speaking as some one said earier mentors don`t get paid. And how at times LLABS abuses this involved in the mentors expected people to drop whatever they were doing to attend to human resources help is still fuzzy (oh its all because we want to help yes ) But that doesnt give them the right tocause internal problems like they done in the past. Seeing Lindens themseves using the would in offical messages " LOL I bla bla bla" doesnt give me the impression of a team with professional goals. You call this leadership? Or Putting people in the mentors seems to stir issues and drama? As Toy said at one point From: someone Accessing Mentors is a big problem. As it is now one must try to find a mentor. And pray they know the answer. Anymore NCI does a far better job. This can`t be any more correct and example of how low the the meaning and selfish people have become within this group and those so-called sub mentor groups. Many of us that gave 95% of the play time on SL to help those in need. where told we don`t need you anymore and caused issues just to get many removed fro the group. Bitter AM I? Well frankly speaking No, because i like many did the work with care and repect. But i can`t say that about others that where in the group. But then again we are all one big research report thats on going for people term paper reports. Mostly The mentors are a joke these days. But LLABs needs something to stimuate people to stay in the game right? .............at the end you need to be expected worse. Because it will happen. Usagi |
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Bobbyb30 Zohari
SL Mentor Coach
Join date: 11 Nov 2006
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02-26-2008 18:02
The point I'm trying to make is that LL (and the VTeam) seem to allow such poor behavior to take place and not do anything about it. For this reason, mentors are begining to get a bad rep.
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Usagi Musashi
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02-26-2008 18:11
Well its been that way for a very long time. If you look deep in teh group and the ex griefters in it. No wonder they getting a "bad rep" Its been this way for almost 2 years now. Well longer then that.
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Damien Walworth
Neko boy
Join date: 10 Nov 2007
Posts: 181
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02-26-2008 19:15
From: Lindal Kidd Wait a minute.
So far, all we have here is someone (allegedly) saying "I'm going to steal content".
That's a dumb thing to say, but it's not actionable. I can say, "I'm going to steal a car". But until I actually steal it, I've done nothing wrong.
No, but if you were a community police officer in real life and went round saying "I'm going to steal a car", I wouldn't expect you to go to jail for it - but I would expect your position as a representative of the community to be terminated.
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Bellissa Dion
Fringe Dweller
Join date: 5 Jun 2005
Posts: 183
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02-27-2008 05:35
From: LillyBeth Filth lol
Kids.... I swear, I reckon 80% of thieves in SL are kids either literally or mentally.
There is a group called " Texture and Graphic Exchange" I joined and added some of my "spares" to keep an eye on WHOS work they are throwing around to complete strangers when we clearly state in our EUAL that distribution at ANY level is prohibited ( as textures - we allow ppl to use txtrs in creation for commercial reasons just dont want the actual textures themselves being sold or given... ) apparently... thats not enough!
The degree of hatred and ignorance I was exposed to when I "asked" them not to share any textures that were named with the Prefix TRU as they are sold with our EUAL as above left me shaking with anger.
Remarks like " Greed is an ugly suit to wear LillyBeth " and " You have to take a loss now and again "
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" You need to educated yourself on SL's TOS OPEN SOURCE means just THAT!"
I explained that LL DO act on DMCA notifications and that SL's permissions do NOT over rule RL IP and copyright laws and was told
" yea well, I paid for them they are mine to do what I want with "
NOT SO. Only the artist/creator has the "right" to do what ever they want with their own damb work.
But it was a mass mob attack against me and I was called Greedy because I took offence to them openly passing mine and other artists textures around to complete strangers who eventually will pass them to other complete strangers who at some point end up selling them on SLX or in SL.
They think its all about the " loss of a sale" it really isnt. Its about where the textures end up and US having to deal with the workload and stress of issuing DMCAs on people who say
" oh I was given them, I didnt know "
95% of people caught reselling our textures never even heard of TRU. They were "given" a bunch and this is the most damaging thing to us as artists and as business people
I personally have lost 2 sets of txtrs I have had to remove from the store because they are all over SL in Full Perm stores or like all things in time end up being given away as freebies. ( the License removed along the way of course )
Of course if LL just at least added "something" on the log in screen about IP and copyright to at least indicate that they gave a sh*t it "may" make some ppl sit up and listen.
RIght now LL sit on the fence and only act when they have to and no-one hears or knows about it.
We get a lost of AR crimes and suspended accts because of griefing I never see anything about residents that were issued a DMCA for alleged copyright infrigement even though it happens...and more recently a LOT
I know they cant "advertise" it as technically its an alegation but at LEAST state how many DMCAs were issued in a given period of time just to show these "blissfully " ignorant people that it IS taken seriously and that copyright and IP laws dont cease to exsist when we log into SL
ggrrrr To be honest Lillybeth I find this whole post rather hypocritical. i personally contacted you via IM and notecard informing you of certain of your 'designers' who were simply lifting things from the internet and claiming them as their own. Has anything been done in regards to that? Not since I last checked, no it hadn't. How this is any different to the copyright theft you are discussing here is beyond me. Glass houses and all that. |
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Usagi Musashi
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Join date: 24 Oct 2004
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02-27-2008 06:33
..................Laughs............................  Can`t people debate issues without being totally basis.Not anymore............. |
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Bobbyb30 Zohari
SL Mentor Coach
Join date: 11 Nov 2006
Posts: 466
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02-27-2008 14:45
From: Damien Walworth No, but if you were a community police officer in real life and went round saying "I'm going to steal a car", I wouldn't expect you to go to jail for it - but I would expect your position as a representative of the community to be terminated. My point exactly. |
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Bobbyb30 Zohari
SL Mentor Coach
Join date: 11 Nov 2006
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02-27-2008 14:46
From: Usagi Musashi ..................Laughs............................ Can`t people debate issues without being totally basis.Not anymore............. How exactly can you hold a debate unless takes sides...  |
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Usagi Musashi
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Join date: 24 Oct 2004
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02-27-2008 17:37
where are you coing from............I was refering to the person that post right befdore me . The last time I posted........Gesh |
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Chaffro Schoonmaker
Funny Bunny
Join date: 22 Oct 2006
Posts: 137
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02-27-2008 17:54
I love mentors. You're all insane.
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Bobbyb30 Zohari
SL Mentor Coach
Join date: 11 Nov 2006
Posts: 466
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02-27-2008 18:01
From: Chaffro Schoonmaker I love mentors. You're all insane. As long as we're 'qualified'.  |
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Bobbyb30 Zohari
SL Mentor Coach
Join date: 11 Nov 2006
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03-02-2008 15:05
So from what I've gathered, a mentor can do or say whatever they want, even in an abusive manner, and not have their mentor privilage removed?
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