Mentors and mature content

Hmmm... who's pissing whom off?

For your information: There is a certification process being develeop by Blue Linden. No My station will not benefit, since it contains mature content. So that question is already answered.

I will not close my station, what made you think so? I asked whether in Monas eyes I should close it. I surely will not do it though.

And no, I will not leave the mentor group. If you have a problem, contact the vteam and let them decide wheather I break any rules.

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Aleco

The sad thing here is that Aleco started this thread to ask opinions about mature content Mentors. Since he did not hear what he wanted to hear he closed his ears. If you have no intention of ever involving yourself in Mentor groupactivities or volunteer work - for what reason do you have the group tag? As you stated you only provide Mentoring services in your mature rated personal infohub. There is no real reason for you to be in the Mentor group accordingly - unless you are just using the tag to lure noobs.

I didn't say you should close it. I didn't say to leave the mentors either. And I will certainly not contact vteam and try to "report" you for "breaking the rules". LOL

You asked us for opinions, I told you mine. If you want to be sure about what you are doing *you* should attend a vteam office hour and ask them for advice. I'm sure you will get a helpful answer on how to procede.

This thread is excatly why I don't point newbie's to mentors.

Yeah Jaydee, I might be completely and utterly wrong on this but I get the distinct impression this guy is all about 'helping himself' indoctrinate female noobs into slavery before they know the score about SL.

But Im probably wrong because he DOES give out freebs albeit mature content freebs

Why don't you just have a look in the station yourself and judge then?

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Aleco

We all just need to let Aleco have his last word. It's apparent that is what the whole thread is about, nothing more.....

Nothing to do with opinions, nothing to do with ethics.

Go ahead Aleco, have your last word.

That's a year ago, don't hold your breath on that one.

I think that persons who use a profile or is member of a group that activily supports slavery, racism and similar forms of supression should not be official mentors. I guess nobody would like someone who is a self-declared slavemaster to be an official guide for newbies who have no clue about sl (and who are often underaged in despite of the TOS as I suspect).

A mentor who is proud of being a BSDM slavemaster will make a similar fatal impression on many female (and definitly also male) newbies as a mentor who is a member of a group called Ku-Klux-Klan (haven't checked if that one exists...) would make on black users or SS (haven't checked that too) would make on jewish users.

In my eyes supression (no matter in which form) simply doesn't fit with being an official SL mentor. I really wonder why there is no policy about this...

I say this as a general statement and without specially targeting on Aleco who really puts a lot of work in his private help station. I can totally understand that he joined the mentors to get access to ressources that he would not have otherwise; therefore, I also think that the ressources to help newbies should be made public available and not limited to a few mentors only.

Best, Ice

QFT.


Oh, and I have actually been to the help station in question, a while ago. I thought the mature content was pretty extensive. The landmarks for churches and temples etc. on the other hand, was only, like, five entries.

How surprising, that this is your first post after I removed the LM to your freebie store and your new german OI from my station.

Please don't let us start a discussion about BDSM and surpression here, that would lead too far. Just read some information about BDSM.

No Folks, I'll unhide the mentor group. Thank you for your nice replies, but alas, we don't share the same "common sense". There were far too many personal attacks to take you serious. I'll let LL decide. If they remove me from the mentors group O.K., it's their rules.

Have a nice Second Life.

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Aleco

I wrote my post because Monalisa asked me for my opinion about this topic and after reading the thread I was really concerned - not about you being a mentor because I know that you really try to help but about the fact that LL obviously doesn't check if profiles are suitable for the position of a mentor at all (or even more about the possibility that LL might check profiles but thought yours to be ok).

I don't fear that much that you might abuse your position as a mentor to get some fresh slaves but I fear that many ppl could leave sl shocked when reading that their official LL approved SL mentor is a declared passionate slavemaster.

And no, I wouldn't make a statement if someone should be a mentor or not just because he likes or dislikes my work. But I also don't refrain from making a statement when I think a statement would be important just because someone could remove a link to my work after my post.

Best, Ice

Ice, don't fret. To me it seems Aleco didn't really WANT an answer besides "it's okay". As soon as any kind of criticism pops up, he declares everyone else his enemy. *shrugs* I begin to see a pattern here.

Alyx, in contrary to you, Ice reacts in a civilised manner. I don't knwo why you find it necessary to draw wrong pictures, the story about the LMs for example can easily be falsified by having a look in the station and seeing, that the vast majority of the LMs is not related to mature content.

I apreciate her being honest and apologise for suspecting her to have written her post as a kind of revenge. But: Saying that BDSM was supression is an old and still false prejudice, specially in SL. Real supression does not leave a choice like some fundamentalist christian or muslim rules show. Asking LL to check, whether the profile of a mentor is according to a "codex" would soon lead to discussions about religeous and poltical entries in profiles.

Does the entry of a group that is related to Scientology or a party on the very right or left wing give newbies a wrong impression of mentors?

Have a look at the initial post, my question was not about profile entries, this came up because you started it. Listing my girls in my profile was never a point of discussion. They are ther, they stay there as long as they are mine.

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Aleco

Ty for the apologie.

I think that a Mentor should have a "neutral" profile. A mentor should be a kind of clean white knight. A mentor who makes people feel uncomfortable because of his profile has failed his job as a mentor (while he might be an excellent slavemaster).

SL is a fantasie world where ppl are used to live in extreme ways - some dress as a fairy all the time, others as an escort. While a fairy would fit to the mentor image in my eyes the escort definitly wouldn't. So in despite of the fact that sl is sometimes a weird world a mentor needs to adopt to his job.

Best Ice

And to BSDM: "the slaves could leave anytime" neglects the factor of psychic addiction.

Ice, where do you draw the line? What is a neutral profile? A profile with no groups shown? A profile without picks? What about advertising in your profile?

Have a look how many mentors have groups or picks related to escort, shall they all remove them?


It's their free wil to submit in the beginning. But honestly, let's not discuss this here.

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Aleco

You ROLEPLAY owning them, and they roleplay being owned by you. You owning slave girls is as real as me having pink lynx ears. I guess the profile entry "I roleplay a slavemaster in SL" would end the confusion for newbies.

Drawing the line can in fact be very very hard in some cases. It will be even harder because of regional differences in ethics. But it can be done. Drawing the line is done every day by judges in more important questions with greater impact than this one. Sometimes the judges fail, but failing sometimes is better than not to try at all.

I know that it won't be possible to get many 100% pure white knights (and maybe too white has it dark sides, too). But honestly: to have 4 slaves is the contrary of pure white. It's more like super dark. So in the case of your profile drawing the line seems rather easy for me.

Don't missunderstand this: Your work is excellent and I don't dislike you at all. It's simply about the question how much mature content fits to the position of a mentor.

Best, Ice

Mona, again, that is no rp.

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Aleco

@ Monalisa:
Being a pink Lynxette is definitly roleplay - if not they would already experiment with you at the Area 51.

But I am not sure if sexual, religious or politic behavior is always roleplay just because it seems somehow unusual to the average user. For example BSDM is more a psychic than a pyshic thing and can therefore definitly really work in virtual spaces, too.

But you are right "I roleplay being..." would help a bit - in cases where sl is seen as a roleplay.

Best Ice

Ice, where is the difference between listing names of slaves and showing escort groups or picks? Let's name it, escort is prostituion. So is every one who shows escort picks or groups dark too?

Besides, listing their names is not advertising for BDSM.

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Aleco

You are completly right. There is not much difference between escort and bsdm from my point of view when we talk about suitability for a mentors profile.

Escort = prostitution and prostitution = exploitation of women in the mayority of cases in RL (It's a hoax that escorts get super rich and have a pleasant life. Most escort careers start in complete poverty flavored with hollow promises, abuse of drugs and brutal rapes and end in complete poverty).

That's why I've choosen to run PG sims. I simply dislike this "escort is nice and comfy" attitude. Some things simply don't get (much) better when it's just a game.

In fact as long as both sides are in full control of their situation and as long as no money is involved bsdm can be way better than prostitution concerning the factors supression and exploitation.

But just because bsdm isn't the "worst" thing it doesn't get more suitable for a mentors profile in my eyes.

Best, Ice

Since slavery is illegal in any country I know.... wow oh my gosh, you have broadband internet in jail??!

Yes, we are quite modern here...

@Ice: We've come to a dead end. I will not remove the lines from my profile. Since I mentor in my own station using my own tag, I see no problem.

My initial question still was, if there are any concerny about using mentor material in a mature rated help station.

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Aleco

Yes, I've read your initial question right at the beginning. One could say that the thread went slightly offtopic but asking a question has always the risk that the answer involves aspects that the asker didn't think about when asking. So I think it's still fine.

I don't see any problems with a help station that covers questions concerning gor, bsdm or escort related questions in sl as long those are private and not places where average newbies are born without knowing that they will encounter those things there (as many ppl simply don't want this); therefore, I don't see any problem using mentors material at this stations as I believe that these materials should be available for public anyway instead of giving access to a limited group only.
It should just be made in a way that visitors of the private station don't get the imrpression of being in an official place.

So giving knowledge to others is always ok - just being an official "knowledge giver" needs some regulation in my point of view.

The solution to your dilema would be to strictly limit access to the mentors group - Monalisas suggestion "I roleplay being a..." could be a possible compromise between dark and white in some cases - but to make the knowledge resources that are reserved for mentors now public. But this is a solution that needs to be made by LL.

Best, Ice