Purpose of SL Mentors v. Lindens

Talk about thread hijacking and talking a thread OF(off-topic)...

Not that clear, as I NEVER knew that that rule was posted anywhere. I was aware of it, but only through experience.

It is VERY clear. The lindens frequently repeat it, its on the wiki, and is on the mentor guidelines.

LL NEEDS to implement some sort of entry test for incoming mentors. There are simply too many who lack basic knowledge of SL or how to to deal with it or its residents.

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Mentors should know how to deal with certain situations and be able to help other people. Mentors should NOT require assistance in these situations.

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Hmmmm.

I wouldn't have a clue in hell how to deal with that if it happened to me, since I've never had that... I'd have to use trial and error or informed guesses (though tbh if it was that bad I'd just log out (and then back into the same region with an alt to make sure it was only me that was having the problem), there are some problems that aren't worth risking my Lindens on while I piddle about trying to work out what I just rezzed), and/or ask for advice. But then, I'd use those same tactics on any test... so what would be the point of testing, if you're testing for self-sufficency

Looks to me like she panicked, which can happen to anyone. And I'd personally rather have them ask for objective advice than make panicked and subjective decisions, which are usually the wrong ones! Surely one doesn't have to give up ones humanity in exchange for the mentor tag?

Er, no, it isn't. Hence the reason I said that. I haven't seen a Linden say it...in the last 9 months, I've barely seen a Linden. I rarely read the wiki. And I never saw any mentor guidelines, even when I was a mentor.

Err...yes it is. You're the only person on this thread who thinks otherwise.

"I've barely seen a linden." Lindens are not people to be worshipped, they are employees of Linden Labs. If you would like to see a linden,visit them in world during their office hours, or attend one of those "group meetings" which you boastfully claim never to do.

If she had a panic attack, no need to blame the mentors!

1) Are Volunteers being *used* by LL?

Well, yes and no.

Yes, of course they are... LL asks for people to help with various SL needs, on a Volunteer (non-paid) bases.

No, of course not... nobody is being forced to do anything - you cannot claim you are being *used* if you are voluntarily offering to do something.

So... one either feels used, or not. Depends, I suppose, on why one joined the volunteer program to begin with.

2) Productivity of Monthly Meeting

The VTeam Lindens have individual office hours. They are also presenting specific Q&A sessions. And, they can be contacted individually.

The monthly meetings do seem to run more along the lines of "morale boosters," and that is something that can (should?) be discussed directly with the VTeam members.

Specifically related to the recent Monthly meeting and the second-half Q&A session... Amber commented that:

That comment was followed by a Mentor *repeatedly* asking for *specific details* on something that was just stated as "...currently working on creating a document that explores the possibility..."

Unfortunately, the repeated requests for details of a non-existing program took up a fair amount of time when other people may have had questions which *could* have been answered. It would have been far better for that Mentor to simply contact Amber via private IM after the meeting, and requested the ability to have some input on this possible future program.

Which leads nicely into...

3) Mentor Group Chat

The problems tend to come up NOT because a question is asked in the Group chat window, but rather the WAY the questions are asked, and the often nonsensical and pointless responses that follow. For a more in-depth discussion, take a look at the section titled "Second Life Mentor Group Chat" on this page:

http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Don_Misfit/Mentor_Musings

Don

Er, no it isn't, Mr 'Cool'. I shouldn't need to go and visit a Linden to get a set of guidelines. If they want me to do work for them, they should present me with the rules. And secondly, I 'boast' (although quite how one perceives this as boasting, I'm not sure) that i don't attend these meetings, because I'm not a mentor, so why would I need to?

Eej.

That comment was followed by a Mentor *repeatedly* asking for *specific details* on something that was just stated as "...currently working on creating a document that explores the possibility...

That was me...and no I didn't use up a fair amount of time.

I like the way your ideas flow. (And I agree with /most/ of what you said.)

Oh I'm sorry, didn't realize you weren't a mentor. Which group chat channel were you talking about? You can't talk on the mentor channel without being a mentor.

Completely agree.

It also seems that they parse emotions in urls...

Bobby, that's a problem with the forum software - you should have clicked the "disable smilies" checkbox below the reply screen. If vbcode was working we could use the NOPARSE tag, but I kinda doubt that would have much effect when the code's off.

Moving back to the thread of discussion, I can't help but notice the subject of the second Mentors survey. I'd give the wiki link, but I've mislaid it so I'll assume you know what I'm talking about anyway

Hello all.
I have been read over all these messages and it seems that what I did once read about Second Life is that Linden Labs has provided all the world with a platform to "create" a new community and will help with operation issues of client and server softwear as well as input some ideas for how the Volunteer Program is operated (which I read history started from a residents proposal).
The employee of Linden Lab, I as I see it are doing the best as they can, yes I agree issues are there, yes I agree many items need addressing and only Linden Labs are able to do this, but making messages such as this and just making it clear you are unhappy is not what we as Mentors are for, yes we are volunteers and unpaid.
If you truly think your proposal has worth, the send e-mail to Linden Labs and let them address it first then send an open proposal to all instead of making your own displeased feeling shown here.
Let us all work together first, also I agree on the entrant test, I will admit I would maybe not have passed this exam, but mt passion for helping is strong and my patience and tolerence is also strong, these are attributes all Mentors need.
Many times these subjects will reappear and many time it will be up against many for and against but making debate here is not the place, your proposal Mr/Miss Bobbb30 is one I am think should have been submitted directly to Linden Labs before it was sent to public.

I agree totally with you here I work for Adobe Technical support here in Holland and all our tech notes are in English, however Adobe employ native speakers from around the world to compensate and to help those that cannot speak English. This works very well and i know LL is minuscule in comparison to Adobe but more Mentors from around the world would be a better option IMHO

the Raising The Bar Survey.
Yeah I thought that was interesting also.
No doubt a result of the open debate that’s taking place here

"Not what we are for?"-Interesting statement. So exactly what are we for?

I and many other people in SL recognize that there is a problem and have voiced my OPINION, yet as with rl, I am told that is not what I am for?!

"Not what we are for"-Strange...what are we for. We are mentors and coaches, we are here to benefit the community at large. If we recognize a problem (Iraq anyone) we should point it out rather then ignore it...ie. Iraq.

I have the right to voice my opinion and I do feel that I am not alone.

And what is wrong with the public? Are we not in a democracy? Can't the public decide?



I am a guy, bobby is a guys name.

It can also be a girl's name

Really? How? I've never met a female called bobby unless you mean booby.

I have meet several women called Bobby. It is also a nick name for Roberta.

You learn something new everday. Especially in SL.

Was sitting on the bird rail at OI Public a couple of weeks ago, and God showed up. I shyly stumbled out a greeting. God paused, turned toward me and greeted me back. I managed to smile and God grinned. And then I let him go about his mysterious way =)

Until that moment I thought God only existed in myths and fairy tales. How wrong I was. hehe =)

There is a God and his name is Teeple Linden =p =)