There is no SL RPG, why don't we make one?

I believe them over a random whiner who only blames others. What are you, an emo? You discreditted yourself with your first post, so just stuff it.

I'm really enjoying watching you all call me names and attacking my integrity... but none of you have really proven my points wrong. The signs don't work, the rules are ambiguous. Whether I "whine" about it or not, these things are still true. And, truth is, if the bad sim managers of SL didn't have anyone to point these things out, they'd have motivation to ever improve it.

Go somewhere else? Where? You guys own the sims -- sims on which, by the way, you publicly invite us to spend our time and our money. Well, for that, you have to make it worth it and most sims aren't worth it. So quit acting like I'm the one who broke your systems and start fixing your sims.

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From what was posted, the rules and signs are rather clear. Only someone looking for a reason to complain would find fault, or someone with barely the capacity to drool unaided.

So yeah.. You haven't proved anything except that youre a whiner who can't read rules. There are no points to prove wrong..and those things were never true. I'm pointing out the fact that you're a vapid emo kid so that you can get the motivation to fix it.

I actually quoted the rules directly and cited examples. Again, you're attacking me personally, but the rules are still ambiguous and the scripts are still busted.

Even if I was a goth/vampire/emo kid (who, incidentally, you shouldn't make fun of given that their culture pervades SL's RP sims) the rules would still be hazy and the scripts still wouldn't work. Again, I didn't write bad rules or make the bad scripts. I just pointed it out.

Don't blame me -- I didn't break RP in SL.

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Actually, the signs work fine, we've had several people test them. Perhaps you had a client side bit of this thing we call "lag" which interupted the delivery, but in any case, the signs do work. The rules are fairly clear and organized. That being said the sim is brand new and the rules are still being created and revised. Such is the way with all sims when they begin. I know, because I've helped run three sims now, almost from the beginning.

When people who have nothing better to do then find fault in what others create try hard enough, they can and do find fault where none exists. This seems to be the case. And if you dislike the rp standard in all of SL, then by all means, depart SL. You, like the rest of the whiners, can take your complaints with you.

We try very hard to create a rich environment full of quests and adventures to entertain our patrons, the roleplayers of Everwind. Seeing as our traffic is high, and our groups are brimming, we seem to be accomplishing our goals. One person's opinion compared to all that really doesn't matter, especially since your entire thread is full of whining about quite a few rp sims.

Oh, and by the way, my real life experience, not that I need to explain to you, consists of years as management level security work, where mediation and fair decision making is imperative, as well as years training peers within a military environment, again where fairness and honesty are paramount, as well as the elevation of the student. So perhaps you should learn a bit before you make sweeping comments regarding our real life experiences, not that SL is real life, or even often directly relatable.

My suggestion to anyone reading this thread would be to come to the various sims and experience them for yourselves. Don't take one person's opinion, especially when they seem to be so negative about everything.

Grow up Mr/Ms Ishii. If you dislike what you find so very much, either leave, and stop the bitching, or create your own. Thats the best part about SL.

~Dream

I don't see anything unclear in those statements. Why don't you show us were ' no push weapons' and 'no freeze or cages' is ambigious?

The only ambiguity I've been able to find in the rules is if you don't read them. The rules were written to be as concise as possible, and in that they succeed. And, if someone isn't clear on a term, it's not hard to IM an Everwind GM and get an answer. I know this because I've done it on multiple occasions.

I am an Everwind GM also, one of the newer ones, admittedly. But I also have this weird habit of making an alt, going over the rules, then haranging another GM online to see how they deal with a 'new' player. I do this not to test my fellow GMs, but to get an idea of what's wrong with any applicable rules or situations and then present them along with possible solutions to the sim owners. Never once have I been met with rudeness, being ignored, or met with a GM that didn't have the ability to answer my questions clearly and concisely. Fact of the matter is that the Everwind sim owners hold their GMs to very high standards and if we did any of these negative things we'd be taken seriously to task for it.

To date, I haven't banned one person. I've issued warnings and explained things, but I--as well as the sim owners and the other GMs--approach situations with the mindset that nine times out of ten the person causing a problem doesn't realize they're doing so; and an explanation is usually enough to solve the problem.

EXCEPT...in the case of someone that desires to be belligerent, not read the rules, or grief. And those people pretty much stand out because they pop in, don't read the rules or claim they didn't get them, attack people for no reason, or spend a lot of time shouting in open chat about how bad everything is. Such people will be dealth with accordingly.

So yes..if you come to Everwind and shout for a GM when none of them are within shout range, wait five seconds, and then submit a flaming post to the forums you will tend to be treated as a griefer. And I know you did this, Ishii, because I was there. I heard your shout, and I also saw people sending messages out in the realm chat telling the GMs someone needed them, and I saw a GM respond...but by then you had already left, presumably to write your flame post.

Nice try, but no apple.

And oh, by the way: Two years spent as a supervisor in a medical facility. Yup, no leadership experience here at all....

Just a note....Ishii Ishii - if that is your real name - you have never IM'd me. Ever. I've never heard the name till now. You sound like someone who just didn't get their way. Big baby.

Oh and for the record - you do not spend your money on our sims. We receive no income, with the exception of occasional donations, on Everwind. The entire expense of the sims is out of pocket for us. If you have sent me a check, it must have been lost in the mail. I will venture to bet though that you have had absolutely no reservations about taking our money for events or raffles. Now go away.

From Dune Sarlo:

"So yes..if you come to Everwind and shout for a GM when none of them are within shout range, wait five seconds, and then submit a flaming post to the forums you will tend to be treated as a griefer. And I know you did this, Ishii, because I was there. I heard your shout, and I also saw people sending messages out in the realm chat telling the GMs someone needed them, and I saw a GM respond...but by then you had already left, presumably to write your flame post."

Again, more lies. Over the course of half an hour, I contacted both sim owners, including Grace and Slip, whose names I got from objects in the sim. In fact, I pinged them twice. Once saying: Hello? And again, minutes later, saying HELLO? Read the rules thoroughly, beginning to end -- and they are ambiguous. And hit the sign multiple times. It gave me nothing. None of the signs did.

So paint me however you want and try to paint it however you like but everything I've said is true. You can attack my character, but I'm still right.

Slip even informed me that they have a magic staff that's compatible with their magic system. I mentioned to him that he should put this in the rulebook. He rejected this line of thought outright. Afterall, why suggest tools players can use in the rulebook?

Grace, if you're just running this sim for fun, then by all means keep it going however you want. If you're not seeking public approval in any form, just lord over it with whatever fits of fancy tickle you at the moment. But given that you have people out publicly inviting people, it seems to me like you're actively vying for public popularity. If that's the case, clean up your sim. Fix the bugs and make it user-friendly.

Again, paint me however you like, I didn't break your broken sim.

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Of course you didn't break it. Because its not broken. You've had several responses, not just from Everwind, but from the other rp sims that you've flamed, and it seems that no one really agrees with you. Not to mention that you are out and out lying about the signs, since I don't think we've ever had a complaint about them. Until you that is. So lets go point by point, shall we?

Rule/Combat Meter signs don't give out said items: Wrong, they absolutely do and have worked since before the sim was even fully open.

GM's have no rl leadership experience: Wrong again, we do.

Ambiguous rules: Hey, I didn't even have to say it. Another poster pointed out that you were wrong, and that the rules aren't even slightly ambiguous.

Even your re-telling of the story appears to be wrong, since one GM was witness to it, and another GM tried to respond to you, only to find that you'd run off.

When you IM'd the sim owners, you could have tried stating your questions in the first IM, oh yeah, and being NICE might have helped. A 'hello' when I was busy, followed by an immediate "HELLO?" probably wouldn't have gotten much of a response out of me either. Believe it or not, they have lives too. Which is why we have GM's in the first place. But again, you didn't bother much with that mechanism, because apparently we have no rl leadership experience.

Grace and Slip spend their hard earned time and money on these sims to make a fun place for all to enjoy. And while they certainly will not cater to every whim of every player just to gain popularity, they certainly shouldn't have to suffer the flaming of some pinhead with nothing better to do besides complain about something he can't even accomplish himself. Again, if you dislike it so much, then by all means leave. But there's no reason whatsoever to engage in forum flaming of a place you didn't bother to try to get into.

First off, there was no GM there to witness it. Second, it wasn't "followed immediately by a HELLO?"

It's not surprising that the people who run bad sims or run sims badly are defensive about it. I'm sure they're embarassed to get called out on it, and them flaming me back doesn't make them right.

Note that there are a couple of sims to which I've given high marks in this thread. Also, you're acting like I've never been to Everwind before. I've been there a number of times and have been a member of their groups in the past. You're misleading people by saying I just showed up, was a jerk, left, and dissed it. You'll see in my original post that I mentioned it there days ago. I've followed their progress (or lack thereof) for weeks. This most recent visit was really just the last straw.

Anyway, I don't blame you all for being upset that your sim is being held up for public scrutiny and getting bad marks. I too would be upset if somebody pointed out my mistakes. But it is how it is, and Everwind is severely lacking.

Speaking of decent RP sims, here's one: <b>Avilion</b>. It's actually a group of sims. They have some good things going on, though I'm not real keen on their combat system. There's no real plot to anything that I can identify, but they have an excellent store, a nicely arranged combat area and a lovely ballroom. They do use Spellfire, which is a downer, because it's another relatively minor-in-the-scheme-of-things combat system for which it's hard to identify compatible spells, but it seems like a lot of competent players use it well in Avilion, so I might need to look harder. I'd give Avilion a B+ and suggest that everyone go try it.

I'm also optimistic about <b>Nepenthe</b>, which has good references and a really nice environment. I met the owner last night -- who appears, by the way, to be getting TERRIBLE service from Linden as she redevelops the place -- and I think once her remodelling is over it'll be a cool place to play.

Nepenthe uses DCS and World of Darkness rules and the owner made it readily apparent that she doesn't tolerate crap RP. I can't give it a grade yet, but I think it'll be very cool when it reopens -- which she said will happen as soon as Linden gets off its duff with some ghost prims.

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Ishii,
Your name seems familiar, where you by chance in Dark City recently seeking a Demon sire so you might have an offspring?

Lord help us. With every stroke of the key, he digs himself deeper and deeper into his hole of stupidity.

Ishii - I rejected all of your thoughts after you met me with a very harsh and rude attitude. You hold no credibility in Everwind, especially after board trolling and flaming us.

I have never heard you previous to meeting you with a very rude and mean attitude.

If you expect people to take your reviews to heart, think again. People will only listen to what you have to say when people respect your opinion. And really, you have done nothing but show hostility and aggression towards different homes on SL.

Do you honestly think that your opinion rings in with everyone elses viewpoint?

These roleplay sims in Second Life that you flame are ran by the very people that PLAY Second Life. This isn't Blizzard or Sony. We're not professional game developers. We don't get paid to do this. In fact, we pay for it. We ARE the people of Second Life. When you visit sims, expect to deal with people who don't work for companies in the video game development business. According to you in your last conversation with me, you are sick and tired of the RPG's in SL, that most of them are ****. Well, the people that might read your reviews that you so valiantly speak horribly about might be the ones that are partial to sim that you flame.

You need to ease up, back off, and perhaps reccomend homes that you DO like, rather than point out the faults that you see in other homes by verbally attacking them. We don't want to hear it.

As far as experience roleplay wise, I've been roleplaying for 10 years, ran rpg rooms for about 8 of those 10 years, including a theme exactly like Everwind. I've also worked as a manager in my younger years and I'm now currently working as a Court Investigator in the Criminal Division of the county I'm in. So as you can see, all of us are pretty mature, experienced, and have professional jobs. As you put it in your last conversation of I.M.'s to me, I think I do know my behind from a hole in the ground - and that was a result of me not wanting to change the rules around to fit YOUR standards.

We enjoy yourselves. If you don't like it, don't go there.

Surely you're not this dense. Judging by the pages upon pages of responses I'm getting, many people are taking my comments to heart. And the idea of someone who runs a sim solely for the sake of entertaining 20 or 30 people chastizing me for not having everyone agree with me is laughable.

I don't need everyone to agree with me. I need some people to agree with me, and some people do.

The bottom line is that I'm doing you a favor. By taking the time to write about your sim I'm doing two things: Inspiring you to quit letting its playability sag, and encouraging people curious or sympathetic with you -- or who just don't like me -- to go see it.

Really, who the Hell has ever heard of Everwind?

You're welcome.

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